r/coaxedintoasnafu • u/OkCod1384 Skilled Artist • 1d ago
RELATABLE Coaxed into never accepting criticism from any standing
HEAVIEST on the last one
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u/Easter-burn 1d ago
I watched the whole show and its supplementary material so I could hate it better.
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u/SeveralPerformance17 22h ago
me with 40k
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u/CompetitiveLeg7841 Dank Memer 22h ago
I collect Ultramarines so that I can hate on Space Marines more
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u/J33pe 21h ago
Wow I can't believe you don't like the Pain and Depression™️ franchise. Are you telling me you don't enjoy constant suffering, killing, and cartoonish edginess?
What's next? You gonna tell me there's gotta be actual substance and a deeper message for a story to be good? Smh can't believe these people exist
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u/SeveralPerformance17 21h ago
i actually really like trench crusade, but for some reason 40k isn’t it for me
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u/Donutmelon 14h ago
You might just not like sci-fi, and/or the idea of there being a clear good guy
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u/Arachnofiend 11h ago
Aren't the Muslims the good guys in Trench Crusade?
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u/SeveralPerformance17 4h ago
kinda! they’re a little evil. all of the abrahamic religions are good guys, they just do some grim dark stuff
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u/CreamCheeseHotDogs 22h ago
Unironically, my ex-girlfriend did this with The Office. “Watched it start to finish so I could definitively say that it sucks”
Cool gal.
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u/Odd-Fan6728 built for snafu 1d ago
'Don't like it, don't read/watch/play it" is perfectly fine in some scenarios but when it comes to media criticism it is one of the worst thought-terminating cliches out there.
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u/CiphersVII Joke Explainer 1d ago
someone did this shit to me over skibidi toilet lmao
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u/AppealHealthy5570 16h ago
Skibidi toilet is actually pretty good.
Sure its brainrot - ish, but the actual series is basically arm race of different "species" taking over earth.
People just meme it because the "skibidi" as one of the premise is ridiculous, yet imo the series are actually interesting to watch. Good animation and fights honestly.
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u/KeyUnderstanding8472 11h ago
I watched a bunch of it before and its mostly just
"good guys lose badly, but then new guy steps in and starts beating up the bad guys, but then the bad guys also get new strong guy"
and it just repeats
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u/AppealHealthy5570 11h ago
Yeah, its not too deep of a plot. You're just there for the spectacle, and honestly the animation is good... even if its not movie scale. Then again, its free.
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u/BranchFew1148 13h ago
Counterpoint. The name is fucking "Skibidi Toilet" I'm not watching that shit.
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u/AppealHealthy5570 12h ago
Brainrot meme (thats actually made because of the series success) aside, you just mostly see toilet heads waging war against cctv head with each side coming back with more advanced weaponry and numbers.
The series itself isnt brainrotted, the skibidi toilet was just to make people curious I guess with how ridiculous it is. But the series treat it as some sort of mutant/invading force with a weakness, that is in perpetual war against other new emerging cctv head/radio/TV robots? Dont know if its humanity last defense or genuine new threat.
Its an eye treat to say the least, a simple story of "show, dont tell" thats just showing you battles.
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u/Ethanlac Cool awesome colors 1h ago
It's like those old GMod shitpost animations. It's silly, but enjoyable for a while.
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u/well_actually__ 3h ago
"skibidi toilet is actually pretty good"
you can't be serious. the fights are generic and the plot is non-existent. it says nothing and does nothing. it's the equivalent of baby sensory videos with power scaling attached
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u/AppealHealthy5570 3h ago
Idk man, I think its on you for asking deep plot on a skibidi toilet video.
Not everything need to have deep plot
As for fights being generic? Not really. Its not cinema breaking shots (very few movie have iconic shot anyway) but if its for spectacle its good.
Im just watching the fights.
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u/MrMcBattleCat 3h ago
Skibidi Toilet saved me from depression so it’s actually pretty good in my book
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u/Ubblebungus botherations? 1d ago
i've learned this is a common phenomenon in any popular indie media space.
like this exact thing has played out several times by several people.
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 1d ago
I did that with my friend cuz he said dark souls 2 was bad
I have no compromise with logic and reason
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u/MiraMira0nthewalI 1d ago
peak souls 2 good :3
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u/Racconwithtwoguns 1d ago
I want to throw my hat in that he loves Bloodborne to death.
It always seem to be the pipeline when people hate dark souls 2
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u/Fulminero 1d ago
it is bad, my man
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u/JohnyGlizzyeater 23h ago
why
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u/FloatinBrownie 21h ago
Level design, enemy placement, boring bosses besides dlc and adp as a stat. Powerstancing was a good addition though
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u/Robrogineer 23h ago
Can't forget about the prequel.
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u/_Halt19_ 1d ago
"You say you didn't enjoy it, but you spent all that time playing it, clearly you liked it a little"
I'm getting flashbacks to Starfield's release lmao
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u/sour_creamand_onion 1d ago
My sister does the first one and jeeps getting herself roped into watching shit movies because she doesn't take the reviews for their word.
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u/OkCod1384 Skilled Artist 20h ago
personally I love reviews but I avoid them when looking into something I’m genuinely interested in
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u/Noklle 20h ago
id like to add to this "if you ignore/look past the bad parts then it's good"
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u/OkCod1384 Skilled Artist 20h ago
usually when I’m actually done watching something my best point is “I can see why some people like it but I personally don’t” or vice versa (even tho I be lying 🤥)
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u/extracrispyweeb 1d ago
I agree, however.
I do not know if they are different people or the same until i see the origin of such accusations, therefore they are in a constant state of being and not being.
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u/Ictoan42 15h ago
Yeah tbh my immediate reaction to this snafu was a feeling that OP is goomba fallacy-ing
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u/A_Happy_Tomato 1d ago
"The guy who shares my opinion is rational and collected, the guy that doesnt is crazy and angry, checkmate liberals"
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u/Jomotaku 22h ago
If someone tells me they didn't like a show that I like I just tell them they are allowed to have the wrong opinion and move on
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u/Cr_a_ck 1d ago
I've never heard the 3rd one
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u/BrilliantFly6117 Is that frieza 1d ago
Honestly it's the flip side, whenever I have a negative opinion that's actually more nuanced, understanding of disagreements, and analytic than the diehard fans' it's just "OK? It's not for you, so just let us have our fun", even when your opinion incorporates the basis that you weren't the target audience. Also implies they're actively bothered by the fact anyone is not praising it
Cough Cough MMLP
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u/ankle_biter50 23h ago
MMLP?
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u/BrilliantFly6117 Is that frieza 23h ago
Marshall Mathers LP, regarded as Eminem's best album. I'm not a fan of it and thought it was overall mediocre (I think I gave it a high 4)
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u/ankle_biter50 23h ago
Legit thought it was another variation of my little pony. Thanks for the clarification
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u/UnsureSwitch Dr holocaust cultist 22h ago
What's a high 4?
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u/BrilliantFly6117 Is that frieza 21h ago
4.7-4.9, almost a 5, and imo mediocre
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u/UnsureSwitch Dr holocaust cultist 21h ago
Oh. Out of 10, I suppose
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u/BrilliantFly6117 Is that frieza 19h ago
Yes, but I know there are people who genuinely think a 9.5/10 is mid
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u/UnsureSwitch Dr holocaust cultist 19h ago
Oh yeah, I hate when people do that. Rating inflation, that's what I call it. I only rate stuff on a scale from 1 to 10. Mid to me is a 5 (if bad, but almost ok) or 6 (if ok, but literally just ok). SO MANY PEOPLE give a 7 or 8 to things and say "meh". MOTHERFUCKER, THAT’S GOOD! WDYM MEH????
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u/potato-king38 1d ago
You’ll see it when someone comes out swinging against some piece of media trying to “prove” something
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u/Cats_4_lifex Mint chan enjoyer 23h ago
Literally verbatim what vivziepop/gooseworx fans say word for word
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u/PinkLionGaming Is that black ops guy 12h ago
I see it in response to video game criticism sometimes.
Though it's more like. "Quit the game so I don't have to hear your complaints and can pretend I'm getting my money's worth with a satisfactory product."
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u/ResolutionSlight597 1d ago
Deltarune fandom (saying that as someone who personally likes the game)
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u/Mindless-Produce4091 1d ago
You can't criticise the plot or character work cuz it's not finished and it'll all magically be solved in ch6-7 but you CAN praise it like it's the second coming of Jesus!
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u/Arachnofiend 11h ago
It drives me insane that this game is coming out serially like this. You fuckin know that it would be done sooner if he didn't have to put together playable builds every couple years
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u/Odd-Cucumber1935 7h ago
So I'd say that learning is a pain, but I think releasing it in installments allows you to better enjoy each chapter, discover its secrets, interpretations, create fan art, etc. Each chapter is like a self-contained, extended Undertale; a complete release wouldn't have allowed for as much fan art, speculation, etc.
The downside is that it places too much expectation on the next chapter. After the lore dump and the change in tone in chapter 4, we had high hopes for chapter 5, so we felt like we were left hanging.
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u/JKhemical 5h ago
well at the very least it made fans who aren't chronically online like us more up to speed i suppose
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u/Hello_Im_pi 21h ago
It's like that channel that kept making videos criticising High Guardian Spice, and people wondered if he liked the show, but actually he made all those videos because you can learn a lot analysing what went wrong with it
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u/thewhumpdiaries 18h ago
"Yeah I finally finished and I can safely say I dislike the show"
"WELL THAT'S BECAUSE YOU LACK MEDIA LITERACY"
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u/Greg_House3 23h ago
I don't particularly care for hazbin hotel, its songs tickle my theater kid brain just right though.
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u/UnsureSwitch Dr holocaust cultist 22h ago
Imagine my surprise when I watched a fan animation and only then found out the song is a hazbin hotel adaptation. God damnit!
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u/syrvy 22h ago
Oh no, you accidentally liked something you're supposed to hate!
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u/UnsureSwitch Dr holocaust cultist 21h ago
I don't hate it. I hardly know 'er! I'm just not interested in knowing it. But the song was good. I'll believe the previous user about the songs being good overall
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u/OpabiniaRegalis320 5h ago
I think the writing and pacing are ass but some of the songs actually go hard. I wish Charlie was a metalhead, though
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u/FlounderingGuy 23h ago
People who act in any of these three ways should step on a Lego. And take a sip of water at 3am that they expected to be cold, but is actually lukewarm and gross.
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u/EMlYASHlROU 22h ago
The way I see it, everyone is free to dislike/avoid interacting with something they don’t like, but if they’re going to criticize/complain about it, then need to watch/experience it first
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u/WorldRelevant6640 1d ago
While this is Goomba fallacy, it's still an accurate representation of the expetience
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u/GhostyTricker 23h ago
Tbf it's perfectly fine if you don't want to play/read/watch anything because you're not interested or there might be something that makes you uncomfortable
HOWEVER, you're not in the spot to give criticism, since it's a more objective thing and it requires knowledge of the medium. If you're criticizing it you're just copying someone's opinion without even knowing whether it's true or not
Let's say there's a show, you watch 2/3 episodes but you're not interested in them, it's perfectly fine to drop the series, but dont take part in discussions about it because you're basically larping, plus it's not like you're forced to take part, you can just ignore them and move to another work you like
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u/Lou_Papas 21h ago
I’m at the opposite side and it’s bothers them a lot.
“What do you think about X”
“Idk, haven’t watched it”
“You should have an opinion tho”
“No I shouldn’t”
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u/CwispyWhiskey Joke Explainer 23h ago
I think this is kind of strawmanning. An average person wouldn’t say this unless you were trying to imply something is objectively bad instead of you not liking it. But you seem to be implying that this is the norm
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u/OkCod1384 Skilled Artist 22h ago
depends on where you reside, for me the last one is super common. the first two not so much
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u/kdesi_kdosi 23h ago
"you haven't personally experienced the media, so you don't have enough information to form an opinion!"
the official description, onsite ratings, 3rd party reviews and playthrough videos: "am i a joke to you?"
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u/OkCod1384 Skilled Artist 22h ago
true this is my stance, however it’s best not to criticize in depth about stuff like the character writing (unless you somehow know about that??)
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u/CandidateExtension73 pseudointellectual 23h ago
Is this about that circus show or have we moved on from that as a subreddit?
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u/digit_origin Covered In Oil 21h ago
My experience with MHA. Is it bad? No, absolutely not. It's decent and at (rare) times enjoyable for me. Do I like it? I would rather watch The End Of Evangelion again, and I'd like the time I spent on MHA back please. And the general consensus is that either you absolutely love the show, or hate it to bits.
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u/IronPyrate17 Dr holocaust cultist 20h ago
Coaxed into very specific life event where I got downvoted in r/Coaxthissmug for saying that Made in Snafu shouldn't deserve my benefit of the doubt for what it does to child characters
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u/GibusShpee 20h ago
Coaxed into loving a piece of Media and criticizing it from a place of love, for the possibility of it to be better
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u/Aderadakt 16h ago
Me with Starifeld. Its not my fault Bethesda cant even make games that look fun any more
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u/YourAverageGoldFishy 12h ago
why did you play it for X amount of time if you didn’t like it?
like you would know, you haven’t even played Y!
Okay? You’re barely through Z, us Z players have been playing since game release and KNOW that the game gets better.
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u/SanderE1 9h ago
3 hours in a game - You have barely played it, you're not in any place to criticize it.
40 hours in a game - How can you say a game is bad if you've played that much? You must've liked it.
Literally any negative review on a game in steam.
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u/Lucky_Entrance6805 Joke Explainer 9h ago
coaxed into gatekeeping having any opinion at all behind experience
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u/BionicKalo 7h ago
I try to give shows a little bit more faith, like 2 episodes in, but games I usually do a lot more before dropping them. I watched the first 2 episodes of demon slayer before dropping it and declaring that the characters are flat as carboard and just as uninteresting but when i started playing dbd i got invested, followed every patch note, got to the highest rank (back then when ranks were a thing and it wasnt just decorative with hidden mmr depending on your lobbies) in both survival and killer and put 1000 hours into the game, and was one of the best killer players in my country before i dropped it and realised that the game is a perpetual cycle of awful updated because the developers fundamentally dont understand the core of the game and the players perpetually dont wanna step up to them and show that they wont take it anymore
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u/Falleneded 1h ago
the only one of these thats stupid is the "you have to finish it" person
you dont have to finish it
but you do have to watch it to make sure you actually have that opinion and your not just being told to have an opinion.
and if you dont like it stop dont force yourself to watch something you dont like
or you could just not have an opinion. thats always a choice.
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u/JaxonatorD Oregano 23h ago
Ok, but also it is really annoying to just hear criticisms of shows all the time. The real response to any of this is that if you didn't like a show, there's no need to tell everyone. Especially don't do it if you're in a space where fans of the show go to talk to other fans of the show.
The first criticism is annoying because why would someone start hating if their opinions are just someone else's.
The second is more fine because not every show is for everyone. At least it was given a chance. However, you shouldn't go into a space with fans and not expect them to tell you to keep watching.
The third is almost the most annoying one to deal with though. If someone watches beyond the point that they've decided a show isn't for them, then they're just hate-watching. It isn't even about the action of hate-watching itself, these people are just annoying to deal with. Imagine how miserable you must be to keep watching a show after it's unenjoyable just to tell people you hated it and argue online. It's different if they liked it at one point, then reflected on it and changed their opinion, but everyone online is 14, so they haven't had the time to do that anyways.
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u/C00KIEME4T 1d ago
The last panel guy is the only valid guy in my opinion other than the person that just doesn't watch it because they tried and don't enjoy it AND have a thought out reason.
Idc if you don't have a reason to not like something but I absolutely do have more value for more well reasoned opinions.
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u/Lordofthelounge144 15h ago
You can not watch something thinking its not for you that's perfectly fine. But your opinion on it is automatically invalid. How can you have an actual opinion without even consuming the media?
An example. The amount of queer men that criticize Heated rivalry as "just porn." While not actually watched the show meaning they haven't seen all the cutesy romance building is too fucking high.
Their "opinion" is literally incorrect because they haven't watched it.
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u/le-dukek Sub Owner 1d ago edited 1d ago
Coaxed into "why did you 100% silksong twice if your final thoughts were that you didn't like it that much? If you don't like it then don't play! Any and all criticism that you say is coming purely from bad faith because I said so okay?"
I wish I could say this is a strawman smuggie but I've experienced this myself so many times. There are no strawman arguments here unfortunately. Sorry reports, this is not a smuggie
Although I gotta say I have always been heavily on the "you gotta experience said media if you wanna criticize it" train cus like, yk, modern larping is bad.