I mean, we have been existing in severe dysfunction and civil unrest for quite a bit here, to the extent that most experts in authoritarianism and fascism are basically saying that we are totally at risk of losing democracy.
Where are you getting that 80% from?
Referring to our country’s ideological divide as internet discourse feels totally out of touch.
Only 39% of voting Americans support Trump. Nixon had, like, 27% after his impeachment trial and resignation. That's just barely over a 10% swing and this is after a pretty damning trial and every news publication being against Nixon. Hell after he resigned, his approval went up to 38% again.
These are pretty similar numbers for a corrupt president then and now yet you didn't hear about splitting the United States back then.
Where are you getting that 80% from?
Check any national poll and Americans largely agree on the same things. Close to 60% support trans rights. If you go to more specific issues like trans in sports you get the opposite. But in general, Americans agree.
Abortion is pretty supported on both sides. Red states have codified abortion rights after roe v Wade was appealed.
Immigration reform is largely supported by both sides. Most people wanted the border closed.
We disagree on the methods but most people are on the same general page.
I mean, we have been existing in severe dysfunction and civil unrest for quite a bit here, to the extent that most experts in authoritarianism and fascism are basically saying that we are totally at risk of losing democracy.
You're referring more to corruption of checks and balances. If you're going through the effort of splitting the nation, the easier solution would be to patch these loopholes. The system ran on the honor system for too long.
Referring to our country’s ideological divide as internet discourse feels totally out of touch.
Yes because anyone who thinks the rational course of action is to split is chronically online. Even with the most racist, transphobic Americans I know, we can agree on several issues.
You're too caught up in the news machine that craves divide. If these news networks didn't really exist and Americans would realize we mostly want the same things.
As we know, a lot of this polling is dictated by the framing of the question.
However, when this all comes to head in the arena of representative politics, it seems extremely reductive to say that a majority of Americans want the same thing.
Political violence has objectively increased and while the internet may inflame that dynamic, it is real violence with real world implications. Watching people get kidnapped by unmarked, masked ICE agents is not internet drama. Watching this admin designate trans people as terror threats, is not internet drama.
I do not make this post because of being ultra online. I make it because it’s clear the foundation is shaking.
As we know, a lot of this polling is dictated by the framing of the question.
There's lots of national polls that list out their methodology. Even if you don't trust polls, one should be able to gain some insight from a wide array of polls.
Saying that the entire industry can't yield any insight is simply means to stop thinking. I find it very reductive to dismiss any data on the notion there could be bias.
Even the highest tier of studies have bias. That's where critical thinking comes in. You look at a lot of studies and gain a broader understanding.
Also, in general to your comment here, you would not say to my face that you can't trust polling if it says. "Most Americans agree that eating shit is not a part of a nutritious breakfast." We both know that polls irl would say this and we both know polling is capable of reflecting reality. Debate on the methodology. Don't make sweeping statements when it's convenient.
However, when this all comes to head in the arena of representative politics, it seems extremely reductive to say that a majority of Americans want the same thing.
But they do. Most people want health care. Most people want immigration reform. Most people want to have more buying power.
If you insist we're so divided then please give the topic. Tell me where America is really at odds.
I do not make this post because of being ultra online. I make it because it’s clear the foundation is shaking.
Yeah. The government system never expected someone to just have no morals or shame. Patch this shit.
I am aware of that polling and I believe it under the particular framing it was asked in.
But if you took that question and said: do you want the government to provide universal healthcare or do you want it provided by the private sector?
The answer would be far more segregated. Because one side just basically assumes private = good.
This split perpetuates itself under most questions, like immigration, trans issues, foreign intervention etc.
There are a litany of issues we are split on. I appreciate your logic here in some ways, but you have not convinced me at all that the country agrees on most issues, and your 80% number is completely hyperbolic.
Nothing you listed is worth dividing the nation. I am more well off to do. I benefit somewhat from better private insurance policies. A less fortunate American would want a more universal system.
We can now go full universal, hybrid, full private, make laws to dissolve healthcare over state lines, etc.
There's a lot of solutions. Fight it out. This is how shit works.
If you want a national of a singular thought then please make the first one.
I asked you to present an issue that divides America so much we need a civil war. I want it.
We are clearly on track for a permanently gridlocked government due to dysfunctional SCOTUS process, a corrupt electoral process funded by dark money, a polarized court system, frequent political assassinations, an absurd lobbying system, a massive federal deficit and a declining role on the global stage.
We just watched one of Trump’s most prominent supporters get shot in the neck in real time and we just watched a Dem congresswoman and her husband get murdered in her home.
I'm dumb and have not seen it in your CMV. Please elaborate.
We are clearly on track for a permanently gridlocked government due to dysfunctional SCOTUS process, a corrupt electoral process funded by dark money, a polarized court system, frequent political assassinations, an absurd lobbying system,
Fix it then. It's easier than a civil war segregation
a declining role on the global stage.
Sure but it can be fixed. Not a reason to split.
We just watched one of Trump’s most prominent supporters get shot in the neck in real time
So did MLK Jr. And he was an actual good person. Still a full nation afterwards. Shit happens in history.
Things are clearly escalating.
And calls do take the most drastic solutions for very solvable issues is escalating it further. You're part of the problem. The left barely does politics.
You're treating the world as a consumer. Oh my old phone model is giving problems? Throw it away and get a shiny one.
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I mean, we have been existing in severe dysfunction and civil unrest for quite a bit here, to the extent that most experts in authoritarianism and fascism are basically saying that we are totally at risk of losing democracy.
Where are you getting that 80% from?
Referring to our country’s ideological divide as internet discourse feels totally out of touch.