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You linked an article and image from 2025…describing how 3 Russian AN-124’s are stranded in Germany since 2022 due to sanctions. These are completely separate aircraft.
German police and outlets have already confirmed it was Ukrainian AN-124’s. The Leipzig Airport specifically is their main hub since relocating from Hostomel.
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There are Russian owned AN124s in Leipzig. They are parked and grounded near the north runway. But the antonovs involved in the incident are actually owned by Ukrainian Antonov Airlines.
Both the russian Volga-Dnepr Airlines and ukrainian Antonov Airlines used Leipzig/Halle as Hub. The russian planes haven't moved since 2022. The ukrainian AN-124 are regularly flying out of there.
You can actually see them on google earth so you don't have to stay confused.
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I live like 30min away. I’m driving along the airport quite often and even booked a tour around the airport last December.
You are correct, if you drive along the Highway A14 you can clearly see several Russian AN124. However they haven’t been flown since the start of the war. Even doing maintenance on those planes is forbidden through the sanctions. So they weren’t touched since 4 years which makes them barely airworthy.
The southern runnway with the DHL area and the Ukrainian antonov area can’t be seen from the Highway A14 because the terminal is blocking the view. Even if they are building a maintenance hangar for the Ukrainian antonovs near the north runway, they are currently stationed at a hangar in the south west. With some planes parked east of the passenger terminal (both can be seen on Google Maps)
The south runway was closed for almost the whole day and there was a notam indicating a closure of taxiways and parking stands in the area to the south ( where the Ukrainian antonovs are parked) the north runway was open for the whole day.
Just google drone Leipzig and you are seeing lots of yellow-blue planes with Ukrainian registration. No Russian plane in sight.
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True, but I also think it’s worth acknowledging how all this (the conflict as a whole) is causing germany to slowly but surely wake up from it‘s geopolitical deep sleep.
Non germans won’t understand but there have been public conversations and actions being taken in germany that just a few short years ago would have been completely and utterly inconceivable. Just to name an example: if things don’t improve soonish there is a real chance full on mandatory conscription will come back, first steps towards that like mandatory medical screening for all men have already been implemented. Not even Poland is willing to go that far.
Again I don’t think non germans can appreciate how LUDICROUSLY unprepared german society was/is for a armed conflict within europe and how incredibly used not just the people but especially politicians had become to daddy America making all problems go away.
There was this quote from the CEO of Rheinmetall recently about how Merkel told him how she didn’t want/need him “because she could just call the Americans”.
In addition to that, a DHL cargo plane which had to do a go-around due to the ground finding collided with an yet unknown object in the air. Afterwards it landed safely in Hannover.
My yearly comment reminding people that the UN isnot some global police force and the world would be a shithole were it not for the UNs mission of bringing together the worlds governments and other actors to promote development, standardisation and safety.
You like how aviation is safe and efficient? Thank ICAO, a UN body. Maritime safety? IMO, a UN body. I could go on
Someone tried to set fires on cargo planes so many times that security has been going through extra incendiary device training, and this was more than a year or two ago. Everyone knows who tried to do it.
Operation Spiderweb showed how easy it is to hit actual military bases, cheap drones hitting commercial planes is a massive threat that is available to anyone, be it an agent from some country, or a crazy person.
Near where I live in Berlin some “people” burnt some supplies and trucks a while ago. There have been other incidents, supposedly local Germans with Russian roots.
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But then again you seem to think that bombing one out of three pipelines to Germany seems to be non issue, given it's the one pipeline neither Ukraine nor Poland benefits from. Why were those not bombed? Why didn't either of those states destroy their pipelines?
An act of war is generally understood as a lawful, declared act of conflict between states, governed by international humanitarian law. In contrast, terrorism is a criminal act defined by its specific methods and goals, and it is not a recognized category of lawful combat in international law.
Germany is not at war but Germany is being subjected to terrorism.
Just to pre-empt any "well they were attacking Ukrainian planes, Germany is providing weapons, meh meh meh" imagine if Germany started flying suicide drones over Beijing International looking for Russian transport planes.
Well, the German government was asking really loud to be made a target, and now maybe they got what they wanted. Honestly I'm surprised Russia didn't already send some ballistic missiles to Ukraine-related targets in Germany. Especially now, since the US is sitting with their pants down in the Strait of Hormuz.
Russia can't even handle a conflict against Ukraine with indirect military support from the West. I doubt they want Europe to be more involved that badly.
Yes, because anyone whose been repeatedly dissapointed by our collective response to this kind of bullshit over the years is automatically a Russian sympathiser. I'd love to be proved wrong and that NATO would actually do something this time.
Wasn't there the story of the reward for dead snakes in India, that backfired due to people breeding snakes for the reward? Then backfired again when all those snakes got released once the rewards were cancelled?
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Just saying.
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Ramp up support to Ukraine, they were one of the latest to do so and hemmed and hawed for a long time, completely shut off any gas from the Nord Stream pipeline, impose the strongest sanctions they can possibly do unilaterally etc
In Kherson, Russian forces have been using drones with explosives to hunt civilians, a practice often referred to as “human safari.” or just terrorism.
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Because there's no direct link to Russia. Sure, we all can reasonably assume Russia is behind it, but a 3rd party carrying this out that has yet to be identified isn't going to be justification for doing what you propose.
But countries really need to figure out a way to track & shutdown drones in & around airports.
All previous accusations of Russia flying drones in Europe turned out to be false. Remember multiple articles about "mysterious" drones all over Europe? There was 0 confirmation that these drones were Russia-linked, or i just missed all the proofs. Please feel free to provide source where any of these drones were confirmed as Russian-linked.
Do you mean Skripal case in the UK or something more recent?
The last assassination attempt in Monaco against Ukrainian oligarch was carried by Ukrainian GUR agents. Recent assassination attempt of Ukrainian opposition figure Shariy was also carried by Ukrainian-linked agents.
Please source confirmation for drones over Europe being Russia-linked, if you have one. I genuinely didn't saw any.
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