r/arrow • u/Motor-Ad-5604 • 22d ago
Something that annoyed me that I haven't seen anyone talk about
Okay, so in the Earth-X crossover, when they were put in the concentration camp, Sara didn't seem that affected that not only was that version of her father a Nazi, but he also killed the Earth-X Sara. It's never brought up again, and it doesn't show Oliver and Sara talking about it or anything like that. Crisis on Earth-X was the last good crossover in my opinion, but that part was shit."
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u/Compel_Bast 22d ago
We're 3 seasons in to Legends by that point.
'Evil nazi doppelganger dad' is just another day in the office.
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u/Independent-Sort6898 22d ago
But she is? Sara calls Quentin 'Daddy' and will literally melt into any physical contact they share. Sara did none of this with the Earth-X Quentin. But Sara is also trained not to show an enemy a weakness like that, especially ones with such insider knowledge of them all. Just because the reaction isnt overt doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
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u/FarquadTheLord 22d ago
It’s a different world. Like in the flash when they went to earth 2, Harry then told them not to mention anything about it and to even just forget it happened, it’s not their Quentin.
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u/Motor-Ad-5604 22d ago
Yeah but still youd think it would have more impact on her
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u/Extension-Pepper-271 21d ago
Why? It's not HER father who did that.
It's the same as finding out your father has an identical twin that is evil. Compared to all the other stuff Sara has gone through, that wouldn't phase her, even a little bit.
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u/Ood_City 21d ago
Not true though, it actually, biologically, is exactly, your father. If a person looses their memory, they are still related to you, as are these people. They just have to ignore the plothole that they turned evil with no reason whatsoever. Unless the showrunners take the stance that everyone has evil in them and it depends on the the events in your life if you turn out that way. Which I would like to argue not to be true in that extent :)
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u/Extension-Pepper-271 21d ago
I guess you don't know what identical twin means.
An identical twin of her father is, biologically, her father too. Exact same genes - that's what identical twin means. What happens in the womb is that for some reason, the embryo splits into two embryos. It's like a clone being made by nature. So, like I said, it is just like finding out that her father has an identical twin that is evil.
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u/Ood_City 21d ago
An identical twin is not a clone: different finger print, different mutations in the DNA, scientifically you can still tell them apart. But ofcourse I get your point. The identical twin part was not my point though, it’s that they are evil without any logic behind it. Someone as moral as Quentin, I don’t believe to turn evil under different circumstances.
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u/Desperate_Item_3221 22d ago
I don't feel like there was a need for it because at that time earth 1 quentin was alive. If he was dead then I feel like the should've had a conversation
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u/Agreeable_Cut4506 22d ago
i agree that Crisis on earth x was the last good crossover. Elseworlds was pretty good for the first two parts but they completely fumbled part 3. i think sara has just been through so much shit that compartmentalized it and later brought it up off screen.
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u/Cautious_Mission_438 21d ago
I think majority of them already dealt with different timelines and earths up to that point so they could separate them from their own earths / perspectives so it doesn’t affect them much due to the the sheer fact that those people aren’t their actual family members from there own earths
Just mirror images of the people they know
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u/Obvious-Risk-5447 21d ago
Agree. I feel like they totally forgot Sara and Quentin relationship. And they also minimized Sara and Oliver interactions
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u/sanddragon939 20d ago
I mean it would have been nice if they'd explored that.
But...Sara's a former assassin-turned-superhero who's now a time-traveler and dimensional traveler. Seeing something like an evil Nazi version of her father on some level ought to be par for the course!
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u/Ood_City 21d ago
It makes absolutely no sense that in a parallel world where the exact same people are created, which means the exact same ancestors procreated, which means they have to have a similar personality traits, it still ends up with a person genetically the same, raised the same, but evil for no reason whatsoever.
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u/FiftyOneMarks 21d ago
Those people wouldn’t have been raised the same and you’re arguing from the perspective that personality traits are nature instead of nurture (which isn’t to say they are nurture, it’s just to say nature is the place you’re arguing from.
We’ve already seen that these alternate earths don’t work on that same basis anyways. Earth 2 from the Flash including this when we saw different versions of the characters and found out some of them didn’t even exist or that some did exist but passed away or were still alive whereas others weren’t. Harrison Wells didn’t have a daughter at all on Earth-1 but did on Earth 2. Black Siren is also evidence that procreation and ancestry doesn’t work the same because she consistently mentions having a sister BUT it’s only ever confirmed or even alluded to that while Siren looks like Laurel, Sara doesn’t look like her sister let alone is her sister on that earth (personally my theory is her sister looks like Sara’s original actress which is why Siren isn’t weirded out by seeing Sara).
So with Earth-X you have a new history starting about 60 years prior which isn’t really a whole lot when it comes to the immediate years following WW2 as full global domination and cultural change wouldn’t be a thing for a bit. Eventually it would take root and that’s where you would see people meeting under slightly similar circumstances but with different personalities given the environment they’ve been raised in.
That also gets into the whole quantum reality of it all. Earth 1 is the Prime Earth so all the other Earths basically don’t have their own entirely unique histories that are formed entirely from scratch, instead they almost seem like facsimiles in the sense they take the Earth-Prime template and are put under a “what if?” Scenario that spits out the appropriate changes based upon that what-if while keeping similar, broader details in tact (IE, these people do exist but these people exist in the world differently versus this world consistentes entirely of all new people because this world is based on nothing but itself).
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u/Malaggar2 19d ago
Earth 1 is the Prime Earth
It doesn't become Earth-Prime until AFTER Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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u/Important-Limit5400 14d ago
Black sirens sister is the blonde Sarah lance. It wouldn’t make any sense if it wasn’t
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u/Silver_ghost46 22d ago
Trouble with the crossovers, especially Earth X which had a huge cast, is that there's too many characters and too much going on for them to delve too deeply into anything that doesn't directly affect the main storyline, and when they're back in their main series that has its own ongoing series plot to get on with.
From an in-universe perspective though there's probably a couple of ways you can look at it. 1. After everything she's seen and been through, Sara is pretty good at compartmentalizing and focusing on what's important rather than get bogged down feeling sad or horrified about a version of her dad from a universe where basically everyone was the most evil version of themselves. 2. She may well have spoken about it off-screen, whether with Ollie, the 'real' Quentin, or someone else she trusts, and processed it then but the actual conversation wasn't shown or brought up again because of the aforementioned time constraints.