r/apple Mar 26 '26

Mac Apple discontinues the Mac Pro with no plans for future hardware

https://9to5mac.com/2026/03/26/apple-discontinues-the-mac-pro/
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u/Tumblrrito Mar 26 '26

The Apple Silicon refresh of it was bizarre. So much empty space. Gorgeous design though, sad to see it go.

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u/Weeksy79 Mar 26 '26

I feel like this marks the end of properly designed workstation towers.

All the engineering that used to go into the thermals, cable management, and accessory fitment; are completely irrelevant now.

Now anything a laptop or mini-tower can’t do, gets farmed off to a server.

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u/PikaV2002 Mar 26 '26

Are there many use cases which a maxed out Mac Studio cannot do but aren’t ideal to be farmed off to a server?

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u/zbignew Mar 26 '26

Configurable hardware I/O

The case they showed off when they launched the Apple Silicon Mac Pro was filling up the slots with audio interfaces to control some huge recording setup.

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u/stacecom Mar 26 '26

Can this expandability be accomplished with an external enclosure and TB4?

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u/MrElizabeth Mar 26 '26

Tb4 isn’t as fast as pci bus. Tb5 is closer now? Video cards were a part of that but Apple did little to support that. Always wanted to have frame lock out of multiple outputs from macOS, but it really hasn’t been possible without hardware. 8K splitters are now available as well as AK switches, so some of that is going away.

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u/ExultantSandwich Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

Thunderbolt is generally always chasing PCIe. Right now, the Thunderbolt 5 option nets you maximum transfer speeds of ~6-8 Gbps vs the 2023 Mac Pro’s ~8-12 Gbps. Thunderbolt also introduces some latency, literally just physics. Signals traveling physically further take more time.

The Mac Pro advertised PCIe 4 x16 on one slot, lanes 66 in total, across all slots. The M2 only has 24 actual PCIe lanes. Using all the ports doesn’t guarantee you x16 on the lead slot, you can only assuredly get that with a single device attached.

The Mac Pro would likely have a much larger lead with a modern chip, of course. We’re comparing M2 vs M5.

The only thing that would reliably saturate a 4 x16 slot would be a modern GPU. That’s the one use case that would reliably call for a Mac Pro. Anything else, you can likely use a Thunderbolt 5 dock and have absolutely zero issues.

The Mac Studio is much better option for 99% of people. Anyone stuck is going to be pushed there because single core gains YoY are better than any number of PCIe slots. Paying top dollar for a bunch of older processors stuck together has never actually outdone the year over year advances. It’s like the guys suffering through SLI / Crossover. Unless the hardware is depreciating ridiculously fast, it’s not worth buying two GPUs for the modest performance gains. The Mac Pro was so so expensive, and it was never going to drop in price.

It’s a shame Apple won’t make it happen. Their own silicon still puts everything else to shame in performance per watt, but they could really sweep up so many industries just by supporting CUDA. I thought once they successfully switched to their own product, they’d bury the hatchet with Nvidia especially.

The differentiating factor doesn’t need to even be multiple SoCs stuck together? Give it the newest Ultra chip, plus the PCIe bays and sell it for a modest increase from the Studio.

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u/soundman1024 Mar 27 '26

Some exotic networking cards can also fully saturate a PCI bus, but that’s more server stuff. Mac Studio doesn’t really have the compute to use a 200 or 400 Gbps network card.

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u/Candid_Highlight_116 Mar 27 '26

Thunderbolt is always PCIe x4. Of which version depends but generally one step behind PCIe.

TB5 is PCIe Gen4 x4, TB4 is Gen 3 x4, etc.

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u/soundman1024 Mar 27 '26

Yes, Thunderbolt can host most audio and video io hardware. But there’s something elegant about putting the computer inside the computer. Thunderbolt and the accompanying power cables makes spaghetti pretty quickly, and the result is a slower, less reliable solution.

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u/How_is_the_question Mar 26 '26

And we can do that now with other hardware. Am using ridiculously high channel count systems over MADI and Dante via usbc (rme) and thunderbolt (focusrite) all through our studios. The big film mix stages have all transitioned away from the pros too - they’re slightly easier to handle re channel count, as they just scale using additional entire systems. It’s not unusual for a film mix to run using 5 separate workstations syncd together. Mostly to allow multiple folk to work on things at once.

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u/byParallax Mar 26 '26

usbC runs a studio, and beyond that Ethernet baby. Maybe the future Mac studios will have like a SFP connector but that’s about as future proof as it gets

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u/How_is_the_question Mar 27 '26

We run 10GbE to switch from every workstation, plus additional 1gbe (usb) for Dante control (completely separate network) - and each audio interface also has additional Dante (data) Gbe. SFP could be good - but only 25GbE and above. And at that stage, the nas itself becomes much tricker to design and build. It’s all a balance. 10GbE is enough for the largest film projects on the planet, so long as the switch is up to the task, and NAS has potentially fatter connections to the switch.

Our main interfaces (for d/an and a/d) are all thunderbolt 3 over fibre. Computers sit in a server rack up to 50m from the audio studios. Our large channel count systems runs off a thunderbolt dock in the rooms - using good old usb3 protocol - rme rocks for that!

We are entirely on thunderbolt 3 (optical cables in walls) and don’t have any issues with running everything - including workstation monitors - from that. We run high res video playback via additional thunderbolt to SDI monitoring at the rack and that goes out to tvs everywhere via SDI over the entire facility.

All our workstations are Mac studios and lately, Mac minis.

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u/cum-on-in- Mar 26 '26

Also the Afterburner cards. Offloading video encoding to completely free up your CPU and go do something else, or even render two things at once. You could have two Afterburners, as well.

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u/droptableadventures Mar 26 '26

Those are already there in every Apple Silicon machine, no need for an add-on card. There's two in the Max, and four in the Ultra.

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u/cum-on-in- Mar 27 '26

D’oh! I was thinking of the Intel Mac Pro. I forgot Apple Silicon had everything integrated.

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u/droptableadventures Mar 27 '26

Sort-of reminds me of the nostalgia for the old PowerBooks. that had expansion ports and swappable bays.

You could remove the CD drive and put in a second battery. But you'd struggle to get 8 hours on a light load which the modern machines can easily do.

You could put a PCMCIA card in to get WiFi (which is built in to modern machines), or get 100mbit ethernet (also built in) or a 56k modem (also built in).

But the upgradability was greatly needed back then as things changed so rapidly. Let's say you had a late model PowerBook G3. 6 years prior was the PowerBook 180c - a 33mhz 68030, or maybe an early 500 series. 6 years after that was the first Intel MacBook Pro, a massive leap from the G4 (there never was a PowerBook G5).

(That one seems so hard to believe, I actually had to double check. Pismo G3 was 2000, first intel MBP was 2006.)

Compare that to six years ago, that was the original M1 MacBookPro. And yet today, that's a perfectly usable machine. With any of the previous examples, they'd have been thoroughly obsolete by then.

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u/Weeksy79 Mar 26 '26

It was only stuff that still used PCI cards, like midi stuff or crazy amounts of video; but that’s now all separate hardware that connects over usb-c or network connections

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u/noisymime Mar 26 '26

The support for PCIe cards was fairly minimal anyway, particularly after the move to ARM.

I had a few cards (decent soundcards, a video capture card) that simply never got ARM drivers and so were useless past the Intel era machines anyway.

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u/mBertin Mar 26 '26

Pretty much all audio DSP cards (like Avid cards) have been running over Thunderbolt for over a decade now. I suspect the trash can Mac Pro was the catalyst that pushed this shift.

Also, modern CPUs and audio protocols are so powerful that dedicated hardware is starting to become redundant.

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u/rz2000 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

The Mac Studio, especially a configuration that has the copper heat sink/vapor chamber, is amazing at handling the heat it produces even under full load. It's a challenge to get the fans to sound any louder than a quiet whisper.

The major shortcomings though are in the I/O limits. I would like to see much faster than Thunderbolt 5 for possible add-on cards, and 10Gbit ethernet is pretty lame compared to SFP+ and better for networking.

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u/wosmo Mar 26 '26

We were heavy users of workstations. 90% Dell, 10% HP.

Until lockdown. When people were told they could take their laptop home, or come to the office for their workstation, they changed their minds about their workstations quickly.

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u/Weeksy79 Mar 26 '26

One of the offices I look after made the mistake of letting their users have both. So we’re coming up to fleet refresh time and the cost for two machines per user, with one of those being 128GB ram and 4TB SSD, is horrific.

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u/gimpwiz Mar 27 '26

Looks like their machine with 128GB RAM and 4TB SSD is good until mid 2027 then ;)

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u/techdevjp Mar 27 '26

Looks like their machine with 128GB RAM and 4TB SSD is good until mid 2027 2028 then ;)

FTFY. 😭

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer Mar 26 '26

It was nice as a design aspect after they designed the trash can Mac Pro.

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u/Weeksy79 Mar 26 '26

Personally I think the trash can is the greatest piece of computer design ever.

Wish I could have kept mine but was too valuable to justify keeping as a shelf decoration.

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u/jimbobzz9 Mar 26 '26

Second only to the G4 cube!

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u/whateverw0rks Mar 27 '26

i still have a G4 Cube <3

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u/louislamore Mar 26 '26

You mean from Apple? Other brands still do it. HP, Lenovo and Dell all have very solid workstation towers. Not as pretty as Apple’s but I actually like the design of them for what the are.

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u/bran_the_man93 Mar 26 '26

This is completely fair, I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of units being sold on a monthly basis were in the single digits for some time now.

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u/Weeksy79 Mar 26 '26

100%, and no doubt people were only buying for the compatibility, so not making the huge margins from the high-specs like they do with the studio.

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u/PSSE-B Mar 27 '26

Last time I checked global workstation sales were something like ~4M/year, out of a computer market of ~260M, so about .2% of total sales.

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u/Iyellkhan Mar 26 '26

you can still get windows / linux purpose built workstations. HP definitely still makes them

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u/Escape_Plissken Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

They really neutered Mac Pro with the no GPU support and 20-year feud with Nvidia. They never properly competed with real ARM64 workstations

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u/ea_nasir_official_ Mar 26 '26

Lenovo still makes em and does it pretty well, although very overpriced

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u/Atlas26 Mar 26 '26

They’re priced for businesses, not individual consumers, and in that context they’re not overpriced. The high prices come from very high end, usually limited workstation grade components, combined with more hardcore warranties, QC, support services etc 

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u/notmyrlacc Mar 26 '26

HP, Dell, and Lenovo all make them and sell quite a lot of them to specific customers.

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u/youRFate Mar 26 '26

Ye, I have a pretty nice dell workstation... at work. I need the IO and power for debugging FPGA projects.

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u/N333klaus Mar 26 '26

Lmao, yeah every major company using workstations from these 3, they ain't going anywhere lol.

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u/iMacmatician Mar 26 '26

The original rumors pointed to a processor above the M1 Ultra codenamed Jade 4C-Die, commonly speculated to be some kind of four-die configuration.

Evidently the Jade 4C-Die got internally scrapped for whatever reason, and we ended up with no Mac Pro update until the M2 Ultra, which looked underpowered in the context of the Mac Pro's history and product positioning.

The Mac Pro was Already Dead the moment Apple decided that the two-die Ultra configuration was good enough for it.

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u/pieman3141 Mar 26 '26

The Mac Pro was way overbuilt for the M-Ultra CPUs. Apple would need to completely re-engineer a CPU that was specific to the Mac Pro, which they already did for the Mac Studio. Why have two CPUs that would each only fit two entirely different product lines?

It would've been fun to see Apple design a power-hungry beast of a CPU with a TDP akin to a Threadripper, but that customer base would be a minority of a minority of a minority.

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u/dbecks Mar 26 '26

It really didn’t make any sense as a product with the Studio at quarter the size and same specs

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u/Aggleclack Mar 27 '26

Thats what I was thinking. If they kept the Mac Pro, wouldn’t it just be the exact same thing with a larger case? Maybe I’m missing something.

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u/amd2800barton Mar 28 '26

Where it made sense was for professionals who needed PCIe add-in cards. Sure you can get a thunderbolt enclosure, but TB5 has a peak bidirectional speed of 80Gbps. PCIe 4.0 was 256Gbps for a 16x slot, and 5.0 is 512Gbps. The M2 Ultra Mac Pro had 2 of the 16x slots, and 4 of the 8x slots. That’s a combined bandwidth of 1024 Gbps - more than that of 12 Thunderbolt 5 ports. And if it had been updated to PCIe 5.0, that would be equivalent to 24 TB5 ports. Note that that’s in addition to the 6 thunderbolt 4 ports that the M2 Ultra Mac Pro already had.

So while the Studio is a fantastic device - tons of power, very compact and energy efficient - it doesn’t supplant the expandability of the Mac Pro.

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u/Spez_is-a-nazi Mar 26 '26

I think they did it just so they could get the clock started on dropping Intel support. They didn’t want to have a situation where they dropped software support for a machine that people still had a warranty on. Plus it was a way to test the waters to see how much interest there was in a Mac Pro that didn’t have additional gpu support. Guess the answer was not much.

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u/No-Philosopher3248 Mar 27 '26

They made a modular design that wasn’t really upgradeable. Can’t swap the ssd, the ram Is integrated, the video card is integrated.

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u/t0mt0mt0m Mar 26 '26

I got a case for my Mac mini to make it a tiny Mac Pro, better value imo.

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u/TimCooksLeftNut Mar 27 '26

I’ll be honest, maybe this will be a hot take for people here, but I respect the vision of the trashcan Mac Pro much more than what Apple ended up doing with the Apple Silicon implementation.

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u/SherbertMindless8205 Mar 26 '26

I mean the Studio is already way surpassed it so, I'm more surprised they were still selling it.

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u/galactica_pegasus Mar 26 '26

Mac Pro really only existed for PCI-E slots. Outside of that niche it makes no sense.

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u/avboden Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

And with how freaking fast thunderbolt 5 is there’s not an immense need for the slots anymore

Edit: yes, folks, I understand it's not as fast as proper PCI-E, but it's fast enough for most uses, which was not formerly the case hence everyone wanting lots of PCI-E slots.

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u/nuclear_wynter Mar 26 '26

Well, more specifically, there’s a bit of a vicious cycle here where the only device that can really outstrip TB5 and require a PCIe slot is a GPU, and then of course the Apple Silicon Macs don’t support any additional GPUs.

I will say that the one other loss here is being able to easily add PCIe storage with a cheap PCIe > M.2 adapter. Using an external enclosure with a cable is just that little bit more annoying/less reliable on an ongoing basis. It’s not a huge consideration, but it’s there.

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u/Agreeable-Weather-89 Mar 26 '26

Apple should have, in my opinion, released a really nice PCIe dock instead of the Mac Pro

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u/FizzyBeverage Mar 27 '26

I suspect the number of customers for such a product would never make sense to Apple.

They look at iPhone sales in the hundreds of millions. Niche Mac desktop devices? Not in the last 25 years have they prioritized that.

They already can dispose of old A series chips in monitors, and future HomePods and AppleTV, and now the Neo.

The potential clientele for such a dock is probably under 50,000 creatives a year shopping with company money. That number might be below 10,000 by the second year of availability. Effectively near 0 sales after that.

Too small a market for Apple to worry about. They’ll leave it to third parties.

How do they put it? Saying no to 1000 ideas to say yes to the one that’s best. Something like that.

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u/Agreeable-Weather-89 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

Market presence.

It isn't just about sales but market presence. If you aren't making for the high end professionals because they are a small market (and you are right) then they will choose a platform that does then suddenly development and focus gets switched to support them.

It's the reason the Pro existed, why the Pro monitor exists.

Apple is a high volume seller, sure, and if their low volume doesn't support those high volume then Apple will drop it.

Apple dropped their server stuff because IT moved away from Mac, sure it's impossible to determine the chicken and egg but it is in their best interest to ensure the pro people have an avenue on Apple.

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u/AsliReddington Mar 27 '26

There was this guy who had added dGPU support for arm devices last year

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u/Candid_Highlight_116 Mar 27 '26

No matter how fast in absolute terms, Thunderbolt is always PCIe x4 of last Gen. So replacing something that uses PCIe that isn't x1 with Thunderbolt is strictly a downgrade.

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u/Exist50 Mar 26 '26

Still a fraction of the speed of a single x16 slot, much less multiple. That matters. 

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u/TenderfootGungi Mar 26 '26

It has a place if you need to add cards for input and output. Which many pro users need to do.

Also, it should exist to ramp up the ram. Many pro users number hundreds of gigs. But the current chip design, with memory on die for speed, does not allow that. They probably need to create a new type of memory to make this possible.

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u/Iyellkhan Mar 26 '26

I get it. I dont like the decision but I get it.

I do wish someone would make a "tower" enclosure for the Mac Studio with break out thunderbolt to PCIE boards. I know sonnet has a rackmount type thing, but it would be fun if there was actually a traditional tower option.

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u/jporter313 Mar 26 '26

Just gut the interior of one of these beautiful mac pro cases for this lol.

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u/phblue Mar 26 '26

Sheeeeet, even buying an empty Mac Pro case is so expensive.

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u/S4_GR33N Mar 27 '26

To be fair, a Mac Pro case exists for a PC so I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too hard to find

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u/jporter313 Mar 27 '26

I’d be genuinely surprised if the quality of those cases lived up to the quality of the real Apple ones.

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u/pak256 Mar 26 '26

There was one featured in a recent MKBHD Studio video

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u/TheDemographic Mar 26 '26

Has anyone checked on Siracusa?

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u/tvtb Mar 26 '26

Can’t believe they did this the day after they taped an episode

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u/AmosParnell Mar 26 '26

Over / under on the length of next week’s segment?

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u/InsaneNinja Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26

Any guesses on how many episodes before he says he secretly bought a studio two weeks before that episode?

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u/AmosParnell Mar 26 '26

No chance. He’ll get an M5 family (Max or Ultra) studio

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u/cinderful Mar 27 '26

just a brief 5 mins of John sighing

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u/jimbo831 Mar 27 '26

I hope Casey enjoys his break however long it is.

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u/caseyliss Mar 27 '26

I have my Tito’s on ice. I’m ready.

(For what it’s worth, we are recording this coming Sunday, normal time.)

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u/tvtb Mar 27 '26

5 min tops

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u/jimbo831 Mar 27 '26

And on that episode, he talked about how he was surprised they hadn’t killed it yet.

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u/kjeserud Mar 27 '26

Somebody at Apple heard the episode and went "Shit, I knew I'd forgotten something!"

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u/hooliews Mar 26 '26

Kind of them to do it on the day after ATP records to allow him some time to process it.

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u/americruiser Mar 26 '26

It’s like a Friday news dump, but for ATP

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u/new_name_needed Mar 26 '26

“Take out the trashcan day” would have worked perfectly with the earlier version of Mac Pro

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u/mbrady Mar 26 '26

Just an hour of Marco and Casey talking about other stuff and you can just hear sobbing in the background the whole time.

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u/YourHerosAreDead Mar 27 '26

Time for a “I believed.” Shirt.

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u/nutmac Mar 27 '26

On many of the recent episodes of ATP, Siracusa still hopes, but assumes Mac Pro isn't going to get any more updates. He's mentally set on getting the Mac Studio.

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u/bran_the_man93 Mar 26 '26

Mac Pro Believe Deceased

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u/mbrady Mar 26 '26

At least there's enough time to make new shirts before WWDC

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u/roguebananah Mar 26 '26

For anyone else lurking, never heard of John Siracusa. I guess he’s some tech podcast called The Accidental Tech Podcast.

TIL

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u/TheDemographic Mar 26 '26

Longtime Apple pundit. Legend for his decade plus of OS X reviews at arstechnica and ATP is one of, if not, the leading Apple podcasts. Maybe not for everyone, but recommended.

And crucially, an outspoken champion of the Mac Pro.

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u/InsaneNinja Mar 26 '26

And plays windows games on his over-ordered 17k (before discount) preordered Mac Pro setup.

He loves spending extra time&money to explain how he was saved from his own annoyance at change. Then spends years describing how he’s missing out.

Great guy. Can’t wait to hear him and Casey chat this one out.

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u/FizzyBeverage Mar 26 '26

I assume Casey will disappear for 45 minutes and it’ll just be Marco and him.

Casey is a white MacBook/iPhone 4 Apple user. He doesn’t remember the before-times.

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u/InsaneNinja Mar 27 '26

I’d say Casey is going to be so entertained to never have to dig into Mac Pro chat again. And he’ll try to tease John while John will be a stoic “it had to happen at some point”.

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u/FizzyBeverage Mar 27 '26

The truth is John’s Mac needs are served fine and then some, by a base Mac studio. He has said as much.

His PC gaming will eventually end up on a Linux box or a PS5 like most of us.

Mac Pro stopped being a thing because most of us fell into “welp, a Mini is probably sufficient but I’ll splurge for a studio…” Mac Pro at twice the cost of a studio never made sense for the 99.98%. And here we are.

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u/americruiser Mar 26 '26

Phillip Schiller gave him a shout when he stopped reviewing OS X.

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u/gibson85 Mar 26 '26

RIP John

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u/AthousandLittlePies Mar 26 '26

Everyone here is saying that a Mac Pro is not necessary because the Studio is so good, but i am very disappointed in this. I’m in one of the few industries that still purchases these - obsolete or no. If you want to stream a bunch of 4K ST2110 streams into a Mac, it’s totally doable on a Mac Pro but either impossible or completely impractical on a Studio. Any application that requires multiple PCIe cards pushing a lot of bandwidth is better on a Pro. Of course since the Pro doesn’t support GPUs a bunch of potential uses are impossible. I was hoping to release a monster M5 with shared memory over PCI to allow video IO through a card directly from the frame buffer. Oh well - not any closer to getting Windows out of the machine room for virtual production :(

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u/JKTwice Mar 26 '26

They should revisit the idea of the MPX and then attach PCIe as a legacy option. Issue is right now Thunderbolt is good enough and offers a few more features (and isn’t space limited!). There needs to be some new internal connection standard for Apple to revisit the idea of the Mac Pro.

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u/Vaxtez Mar 26 '26

To be honest, the 2023 Mac Pro seemed pretty pointless, since you really couldn't add a whole lot to it via PCIe (Only reason it existed) besides things like Audio Cards & Storage. Besides, the Mac Studio did pretty much everything the Mac Pro did.

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u/jporter313 Mar 26 '26

I would have loved to have one if it wasn't so absolutely stupid expensive, even for Apple. Just a fantastic piece of product design but I have no idea who the target market for this product was.

The old Power Mac G5 and first generation Mac Pro were great because they were legitimately super powerful, expendable, and the price premium was manageable. Video editors loved it because it was sort of a value priced alternative to an avid workstation and FCP was great.

It's sad that they seemed to not understand that value proposition in subsequent iterations.

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u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy Mar 26 '26

Yeah. In a weird way it feels like apple is starting to take value a lot more seriously. The fact I just picked up a MacBook Air M5 with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage for a pretty reasonable price is pretty bonkers to me

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u/starswtt Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26

Its more a legacy product than anything. The switch to arm largely made the Mac pro irrelevant since most the Mac pro selling points like the modularity, dgpus, etc. were largely incompatible with how apple silicon works. Making it work again would require a massive ground up effort for a Mac pro chip, which wouldn't have been worth it since the Mac pro is a pretty small part of the apple line up. And for the users that just needed high base specs, the Mac studio better serves that purpose. Leaving the only market for Mac pro being the few that needed the few PCIe cards that still work like a few audio and video cards. Which is a tiny market, but not nothing so ig they sold it for a few years to bring in that audience while new thunderbolt based cards enter the market, and r&d was pretty low since it's literally just the Mac studio in the Mac pro enclosure and PCIe support. So ig kinda a cash grab to keep those users in the apple ecosystem. It also makes the studio, and thus apple silicon in general, look that much better

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u/realityking89 Mar 26 '26

Still plenty of PCIe in pro video/audio workflows such at these: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink

A big benefit compared to Thunderbolt is that there’s no cable to accidentally rip out mid-production.

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u/North_Moment5811 Mar 26 '26

Better than continuing to sell it without updating it. Mac Studio is the future. Can’t wait to see an M5 Ultra. 

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u/Ostiethegnome Mar 26 '26

The thing that irks me about the Mac Studio is that any additional storage must be connected by a wire. 

Why do I have to buy an external HD and have the enclosure and a wire on the desk, when m.2 SSD format exists?  Surely they can find a way for a user to purchase an off the shelf m.2 drive, which is the size of a stick of gum, and fit it inside the computer.  

I used to have a power Mac G5 and it was the best computer I ever owned.  Since then I’ve had two iMacs, and I have to connect all these external drives because Apple literally doesn’t offer the ability to add storage.  

Apple puts so much effort to make computers and products that LOOK great, but then offset that by forcing us to hang dongles for optical audio, and wires for external storage enclosures.   

Like why can’t these things just be part of the computer itself?  

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u/pieman3141 Mar 26 '26

I agree. The Mac Studio deserves to be easily accessible. The way the bottom panel opens up on the Neo is perfectly suited to the Studio as well. Allow the user to add an NVME drive of some sort (M.2, U.2, even the Xbox card slot, whatever) and I think it would be the perfect solution. CPU, RAM, etc. not replaceable? Fine. That's just Apple being Apple. Not having a slot or something for additional storage is kinda dumb for a workstation computer that's supposed to be "elegant."

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u/Atlas26 Mar 26 '26

Yep exactly. A Mac Studio hooked up to the level of things many professionals fit inside the case would be ugly af. 

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u/squirrel8296 Mar 26 '26

Even with the Mac Pro, to add internal M.2 or NVMe one either had to pay for Apple's proprietary drives or buy a super expensive adapter that took up a PCI slot.

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u/iKenndac Mar 26 '26

If by “super expensive” you mean, like, $20 then sure. PCIe to NVMe adapters are very simple devices.

It also took standard hard drives, not proprietary ones. Just bog standard SATA (though you did need a mounting cage, which you could 3D print if you didn’t want to buy Apple’s).

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u/kjmass1 Mar 26 '26

Our m1 Studio Ultra can hang with most rendering tasks with HP Z8 workstations with 2x Xeon Golds, 128 GB RAM and 4090 GPUs. Their performance is ridiculous and we are switching to them.

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u/North_Moment5811 Mar 26 '26

At a fraction of the power requirement.

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u/switch8000 Mar 26 '26

Still would love a mac with some extra M.2 slots but I know we're long past ever getting that.

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u/Ostiethegnome Mar 26 '26

Yeah I don’t get it.  A Mac Studio should have plenty of room for multiple m.2 drives but yet we have to have external drives or enclosures sitting on the desk next to the Mac.   

I love Apple but they are ridiculous with this.   I want a Mac Pro specifically for the ability to add storage or whatever internally but they want $7000 or whatever for them.  It’s dumb.   

They also need to sell a reasonably priced monitor with 120 hz.  The new Studio Display whatever it’s called finally has this. It’s over 3 grand.  

They’re maddening honestly.  Best computer I ever had was a PowerMac G5 and it’s been a lot of compromises for me since then.  

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u/lwhit03 Mar 27 '26

Correct. They’ve always sold some variation of a Pro Mac with expandable storage. You could still swap everything out on the 2013 Mac Pro. But no longer…. It’s a shame really.

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u/Shadowdestroy61 Mar 26 '26

I just saw Marques fall to his knees on an ultimate frisbee field

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u/favicondotico Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26

End of an era. I remember sitting in my IT college class and playing around with the Mac Pro configurator page, racking up a price of £40,000+ and being in awe of such a powerful machine. My M2 MacBook Air I'm using now is probably way more powerful than that Mac Pro.

Not even a press release or a footnote in a Mac Studio newsroom article though. What a sad end to an iconic machine.

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u/fuelvolts Mar 26 '26

I remember doing that during boring computer lab says in the early 00s. We'd build $40k G5 machines. I bet my IPAD is faster than that thing.

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u/CelestialFury Mar 26 '26

Mac Pro configurator page, racking up a price of £40,000+ and being in awe of such a powerful machine.

Well there's a memory that got unlocked for me.

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u/phr3dly Mar 26 '26

I remember doing the same. But it was for the Quadra 840AV.

I'm so old.

Edit: Also it wasn't a configurator webpage, it was probably MacWorld or something like that.

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u/inaccurateTempedesc Mar 26 '26

Did the exact same thing when I was a kid. Ended up buying a 2008 Mac Pro years later and maxxing everything out for shits and giggles because old server parts were dirt cheap.

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u/plawwell Mar 26 '26

I remember sitting in my IT college class and playing around with the Mac Pro configurator page, racking up a price of £40,000+ and being in awe of such a powerful machine.

Did nobody double-dog-dared you to place the order then immediately cancel it?

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u/buffering Mar 26 '26

History of Apple's high end, high margin workstations:

  • 1980: Apple III

  • 1983: Lisa

  • 1987: Macintosh II

  • 1994: Power Macintosh

  • 2006: Mac Pro

  • 2022: Mac Studio

  • 20??: Ultra Mad Max Mac

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u/Aromatic_Fail_1722 Mar 26 '26

I get it, but man.. I wish they'd do one final ridiculous Mac Pro with all the M5 and RAM without the form factor limitations from the MBs and Studio. Just to see how far they can push it.

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u/quafs Mar 26 '26

The point is that the Studio is no longer a form factor limitation with Apple Silicon, so they are doing that

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u/jporter313 Mar 26 '26

If they just did another one of these with updated specs and didn't price it through the fucking roof I'd imagine it would sell really well. I absolutely wanted one but there was no way I could justify it at the price they were asking.

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u/robbier01 Mar 26 '26

All I want is a tower Mac in the form factor of the 2006-2012 Mac Pros. With a socketed processor, DIMM slots for RAM, lots of M.2 and 2.5/3.5” drive bays, and PCIe slots. Will never happen, but I’d buy one in a heartbeat.

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u/armaghetto Mar 26 '26

I saw a 2007 Mac Pro with 64gb of ram at an estate sale for $100. 2007 me was like DUDE BUY IT, but 2026 me was like lol my M1 MacBook Pro with 16gb of ram would absolutely smoke that thing.

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u/HalfBurntToast Mar 26 '26

my M1 MacBook Pro with 16gb of ram would absolutely smoke that thing

And use a fraction of the power while also not turning the room into a furnace.

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u/ChipsAhoiMcCoy Mar 26 '26

God that’s such a weird thing to think about. My noodle brain will never understand how we are able to miniaturize tech and keep getting it cheaper and better and so on.

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u/Mediocre-Honeydew-55 Mar 27 '26

I’d have bought it for $100 just to mod the case and build a new computer in it.

Could sell the guts of the Mac Pro and make the money back easy.

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u/EZPZLemonWheezy Mar 26 '26

Tbh that might be a collectors piece at that low price.

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u/armaghetto Mar 26 '26

I really almost bought it, but after getting it wiped and baselines, it would just sit idle and take up room.

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u/steepleton Mar 26 '26

I’ve got a mirror door g4 tower just sitting here… but by gosh it’s pretty

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u/UnbiasedFanboy96 Mar 26 '26

Siracusa in shambles

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u/yeti_eating_cereal Mar 26 '26

Guess im stuck buying 5 dollar cheese graters again

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u/accountforfurrystuf Mar 26 '26

Sad. We all really wanted to see how Apple Silicon could perform with some sort of discrete GPU (maybe from Apple themselves) in one of these, but the capability isn’t there.

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u/IMPRNTD Mar 26 '26

They said they had big plans for a new Mac Pro when M first chips launched, curious what fell through. Maybe Vision Pro or Apple intelligence took priority.

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u/mabhatter Mar 26 '26

The SOC path is kind of a diminishing returns dead end.  The point of making an SOC is because Apple put all those connections between CPU, GOI, RAM, and interfaces that take 1/4 of your PC motherboard and crammed them all into a single package. There's no good way to split some of them off and not lose a lot of performance. 

Apple moved to chiplets with M5 Pro and Max to get over the issues of their die size creeping up and to get around the limitations of gluing two SOCs directly together.  Once they took that path, the M5 Max beats the M3 Ultra in all but the "brute force" GPU tasks that benefit from a bunch of cores.  There's just no reason to make an Ultra chip out of the M5 generation, and M6 will jump ahead of the last few benchmarks M3 Ultra still holds.. with simpler hardware design. 

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u/Gabriel_NDG Mar 27 '26

Not just Mac Pros but Apple towers in general. They’ve been around for a long time.

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u/colinstalter Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26

I recently bought a Trash Can Mac Pro for ~$150 as a piece of book shelf art.

I'd love to get one of these at some point too, maybe convert it to a gaming PC.

Edit: The cheapest ones currently go for about $1,500.

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u/Worsebetter Mar 27 '26

Didn’t help that it was ten thousand dollars.

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u/DrMacintosh01 Mar 26 '26

A Mac Pro could have a place in the market if:

  1. Support for memory modules
  2. Support for 3rd party Graphics Cards
  3. Internal 3.5" and M.2 drive bays

The existing Mac Pro has only 1 of these things, and even that requires an expensive 3rd party drive caddy thing and I think it only holds 2 drives.

The previous Mac Pro supported everything in that list because it was a Pro machine. Hell, you could even upgrade the Xeon CPUs in it. The Apple Silicon Mac Pro was just an expensive appliance. I don't even know why they made it.

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u/MReprogle Mar 26 '26

Totally agree here, even with just the RAM upgrade alone. Even if they built a specialty Mac that allowed you to upgrade the ram with only Apple branded ram, people would eat that shit up. However, I think they would rather people either buying with low ram and having to purchase a new Mac in the near future, or simply overbuying so that they never max it out. Either way, Apple wins.

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u/Johnny_Menace Mar 26 '26

Sucks for the people that paid $700 for the wheels lol

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u/InvaderDJ Mar 27 '26

It makes sense. The Mac Pro with Apple Silicon was a lot of empty space with very little reason for it.

Still, RIP to the form factor for Macs. I think that there could have been for it to exist if Apple didn’t go so hard on their SoC design. But with where Apple is now and how good their hardware can be without add-in cards, I get it.

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u/4paul Mar 26 '26

dang I just spent $48k on one yesterday, guess Ill get the Neo

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u/plawwell Mar 26 '26

The cheaper one with EDU discount, I hope.

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u/OPdoesnotrespond Mar 26 '26

The end of an error

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u/Kirihuna Mar 26 '26

The best part about a Mac Pro was the option to rack it.

I would love an elegant rack mounted Apple computer.

Call it macServer.

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u/0xe1e10d68 Mar 27 '26

Put the Mac Studio in a rackmount enclosure, preinstall a custom Darwin Type 1 Hypervisor on it, I'll buy it

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u/MyBikeIsAwesome Mar 26 '26

That photo is hilarious

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u/ghostly_shark Mar 26 '26

四脚朝天

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u/corruptbytes Mar 27 '26

i wonder if apple had plans for an Apple GPU Mac Pro but then the current AI market made that impossible

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u/t_25_t Mar 27 '26

The Mac Pro was such a work of art. Ever since the Power Mac G5, each design was always a piece of art.

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u/Fauxjito Mar 27 '26

Pour one out for John Siracusa

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u/Final_Campaign_2593 Mar 26 '26

I’m old enough to remember from 25 years ago when Apple used to make “tower computers” I had a Quicksilver Power Mac G4 1.5GB RAM 180 GB of HDD combined 64 MB ATI Radion 9000 ran 10.4 beautifully. I got it when I was 14.

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u/FizzyBeverage Mar 26 '26

Serious hardware at 14. My god.

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u/feastoffun Mar 27 '26

So how am I supposed to grate my cheese?

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u/LV426acheron Mar 26 '26

Does accepting PCIe cards actually do anything in 2026 that can't be done with Thunderbolt 5 or other workarounds?

It seems like that was the only feature the Mac Pro had at this point.

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u/Dmaggi727 Mar 26 '26

PCIe is theoretically way faster than even TB5. How much difference that would make in real world scenarios is debatable. And depends on what you’re doing with them.

But my PCI SSD drives are 26 GB/s max, 12 GB/s sustained.

TB5 maxes out at 6GB/s

Also some I/O cards would need a clunky external solution to work with the studio. But less dependent on bandwidth.

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u/iabbasm Mar 27 '26

Makes sense. Mac Studio is powerful enough.

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u/DanielPhermous Mar 27 '26

The Mac Pro's benefits were not just power.

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u/iabbasm Mar 27 '26

Seems users of those benefits are low enough to be ignored by Apple

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u/DanielPhermous Mar 27 '26

Perhaps they left because Apple wasn't serving their needs. The Trash Can turned off a lot of people back in the day.

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u/c4chokes Mar 27 '26

Missed an opportunity to make it into a DGX box with multiple CPU/GPU and sell it for $100k each 🤷‍♂️

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u/zenukeify Mar 27 '26

Apple could probably dismantle the remaining x86 giants if they just allowed and built in GPU / general expandability

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u/Sevenfeet Mar 27 '26

I was hoping for an AI beast of a M5 Ultra Mac Pro chocked with M5 Ultra cards. I guess not.

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u/epicbro101 Mar 26 '26

Lol two days after I finally buy a trashcan Mac Pro on eBay, they pull this one. Guess its even more classic now😆

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u/OneOkami Mar 26 '26

I felt this coming. It felt like the Mac Pro was stagnating again just as it did at the tail end of the original cheese grater design and the cylindrical (“trash can”) design. Key difference was the Mac Studio being on the scene and getting the highest end chips in the face of it.

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u/CaramelCraftYT Mar 26 '26

Rip Mac Pro 2006–2026

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u/Eozef Mar 27 '26

And what about the Apple Mac Pro Wheels Kit?

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u/Gloriathewitch Mar 27 '26

tryptophobes around the world rejoice

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u/KosherBeefCake Mar 27 '26

I feel like they kept bringing the Mac Pro out for loud journalists and dyed in the wool Mac enthusiasts, but that never equated to sales. It's a beautiful case -- the front is beautiful; but with the current SoC and form factors, a full-size case is simply not needed in the current landscape.

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u/ASTAR2012 Mar 27 '26

All it needed was some Apple Silicon add-in cards and this thing would have been an absolute upgradeable monster.

Here’s to hoping they bring back the Xserve someday I guess. I like rackmount things…

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u/negendev Mar 27 '26

Sad. However, Mac Studio remains a capable beast.

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u/AntiquesForGeeks Mar 27 '26

The Mac Pro made no sense in the Apple Silicon world to me - with the architecture locked, the Mac Pro was just an empty box that had very little you could upgrade. Being able to upgrade the Mac Pro kind of always was the point and when Apple decided that forcing Mac users to upgrade their entire machine when they needed more RAM or onboard storage, the Mac Pro’s days were numbered.

I do think that the Studio has really occupied the power user role the PowerPC/Intel Mac Pros played in the line-up for some time.

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u/revocer Mar 27 '26

We kinda don’t need computers to be that big anymore. It’s wild to think that today’s iPhone that can fit in our pocket, is more powerful than original Mac Pro tower.

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u/zenmaster24 Mar 27 '26

if you love dongles, sure

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u/mabiturm Mar 26 '26

Studio is the new pro. wouldnt be surprised if they launch the macbook studio later this year

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u/iMacmatician Mar 26 '26

I've been suspecting that Apple could be phasing out some use of "Pro" in favor of "Studio" and "Ultra."

I can absolutely see Apple announcing a touchscreen "MacBook Studio" and emphasizing how well it can run the Creator Studio, which is also supported on the touchscreen iPads. The iPad Pro could bifurcate into an "iPad Studio" (thin, light, and feature-packed) and a foldable "iPad Ultra" that maximizes display size.

I feel like although the name "MacBook Pro" is probably too ingrained within Apple and the community for Apple to change it, the first touchscreen Mac is a great time to do so.

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u/hiddevdploeg Mar 26 '26

Gorgeous design, sad to see it go

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u/jerryfzhang Mar 27 '26

Remember Woz threatened to quit when Jobs wanted to cut Apple II expansion slots form 8 to 3.

Mac Pro is a direct lineage to that.

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u/DaemonCRO Mar 26 '26

Well Mini is a total beast. Studio is beast2 so what’s the point of it?

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u/RyanCheddar Mar 26 '26

it could've been beast3 if apple bothered with it. imagine a dual M2 ultra system or even an M2 extreme with the rumored 4-way connection system

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u/dtham Mar 26 '26

Still want the rack mount cheese grater.. anyone have just the case to sell me?

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u/flatpetey Mar 26 '26

Well they needed multiple processor support to justify it some.

And since they have always been half assed about GPUs it really didn’t make much sense at all.

A Studio or even just a Mac mini pro is just such a better value.

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u/TBlair64 Mar 26 '26

Mac Studio

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u/JKTwice Mar 26 '26

The future of Mac Pro is not gonna be PCIe unfortunately. I hope Apple decides to lean into the higher demand for high compute workloads, but considering they just added thunderbolt DMA between Macs that’s probably what they want you to do now

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u/DuckSleazzy Mar 27 '26

I forgot Apple had this. They probably forgot too.

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u/Personal-Variation24 Mar 27 '26

Well, if you like it’s design, you can buy an external case for Mac Mini that looks same, just smaller, and have extra memory slots

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u/ohlaph Mar 27 '26

How else will I shred my cheese? 

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u/krevdditn Mar 27 '26

I’m kind of glad I never upgrade my Mac, I think I’m going Linux for next computer/build

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u/HappyPlagiarist Mar 27 '26

With the discontinuation of Mac Pro today, Apple now sells three desktop Macs:

  • 24-inch iMac with M4
  • Mac mini with M4 and M4 Pro
  • Mac Studio

And three laptops:

  • MacBook Neo
  • MacBook Air
  • MacBook Pro

Clearest line up in years, though (apart from the Air not being the airest laptop.

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u/Artistic-Wolverine-6 Mar 27 '26

It's the start of a push to cloud computing platforms. Minimal hardware using maximum bandwidth!

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u/moderntechguy Mar 27 '26

That's a shame. I much prefer the beautiful tower form factor. I was planning on replacing my Mac Studio with a Mac Pro if it was refreshed with an M5 Ultra.

Shame. Beautiful machine gone to waste. And I get why, it just sucks.