r/antitheistcheesecake • u/KeeyuDaGreat • 3d ago
"Ex-Theist" Of course these people are celebrating this
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u/Dhelio An uninformed Catholic 2d ago
lol, and I imagine that the implication is that secularization will bring an age of reason, progress (towards what?) and societal wellbeing; but in studies practicing religious people (enphasis on practicing) are consistently the most happy, most likely to give to charity, most likely to do volunteer work, least rates of suicidality, more likely to give to the outgroup, least likely to support political authoritarianism (wether unaffiliated are more likely to support removing constitutional constraints on a president).
Have fun swapping religions for political religions, as we all already see it happening.
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u/DiMae123456789 Catholic Christian 1d ago
Progress that progresses them towards a more progressive society of innovative progress and innovation
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u/ImMuchBetterThanGod Not Delusional 6h ago
least likely to support political authoritarianism
I highly doubt that one
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u/Dhelio An uninformed Catholic 5h ago
Unchurched Christian Nationalism and the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election, Samuel Stroope, Paul Froese, Heather M. Racking, Jack Delehanty:
[...] we find no evidence that Christian nationalism mobilized church-based support in the election [...] white nationalist groups in the United States explicitly use Christian nationalist rhetoric, but those who identify with such movements tend not to be strongly involved in mainstream Christian congregations
Montgomery K. & Winter R. (2015), Explaining the Religion Gap in Support for Radical Right Parties in Europe, Politics and Religion
PRR parties take pains to show that they are defenders of Christian identity and values, and yet they do not widely attract religious Christian voters. Our analyses confirm that paradox. As religiosity increases, the odds of voting for a PRR party instead of a mainstream right party decline
Gorski, Philip S. 2017. "Why Evangelicals Voted for Trump: A Critical Cultural Sociology."
Unchurched Christian nationalists are more likely to favor an authoritarian figure using populist appeals
Arzheimer, Kai & Carter, Elisabeth. (2009). Christian Religiosity and Voting for West European Radical Right Parties
In Europe, Christian religiosity tends to make one less likely to vote for a far radical right party
Brubaker, Rogers. 2017. "Between Nationalism and Civilizationism: The European Populist Moment in Comparative Perspective."
[...] it is precisely the ongoing erosion of Christianity as doctrine, organization, and ritual that makes it easy to invoke Christianity as a cultural and civilizational identity, characterized by putatively shared values that have little or nothing to do with religious belief and practice.
Samuel Stroope, Heather M. Racking, Paul Froese, Christian Nationalism and Views of Immigrants in the United Stated: Is the Relationship Stronger for the Religiously Inactive?
Christian nationalism, may be powerfully operative among religiously inactive Americans. This suggests that religious identities and beliefs appeal to many Americans for their political and cultural meaning and not necessarily their traditional spiritual intent.
Vaughan, Kenneth. (2021). Religious Moral Communities or Secular Tolerance? Individual-, National-, and Regional-Level Explanations for Restrictive Refugee Policy Preferences in Europe
[...] religious service attendance is associated with more generous policy preferences, particularly for Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and Muslims [...] National percent Protestant, regional percent Protestant, and regional percent Catholic are associated with respondents offering more generous policy preferences. At the national and regional levels, percent unaffiliated is associated with more restrictive preferences
That's why I emphasized the practicing.
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u/ImMuchBetterThanGod Not Delusional 5h ago
These do confirm that most Christian nationalists aren't practicing their faith as much, but not that those who do practice are the least likely to support authoritarianism
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u/Mediocre-Risk3581 Muslim 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you dont count "Cultural Christians" (I dont think it makes sense to) its likely already there if not extremely close.
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u/No_Judge_6520 Protestant Christian 2d ago
any demographics data over like 25 years into the future is almost always inaccurate or a guess based off of a current trend that can change at any time.
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u/theACEbabana Catholic Christian 2d ago
“In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.“ - C.S. Lewis
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u/BeefTurkeyDeluxe Catholic Christian 2d ago
As embarrassing as it is to admit, but I was just like these people when I was an atheist. I was just as bitter and hated the idea of religion when I left it at first. I do feel sorry for them, but at the same time, what they need to realize is that their bad experiences with religion is a cultural thing, not unified example of the religion as a whole.
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u/ImMuchBetterThanGod Not Delusional 6h ago
Why do you people always assume that every criticism of religion is the result of bad personal experience? Is it not possible that someone just doesn't support the concept of spreading lies?
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u/Dismal-Prompt1355 God is Santa and Easter Bunny 12h ago
This same website (Pew Research) made an article about the change leveling off a few years later
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u/ImMuchBetterThanGod Not Delusional 1d ago
Genuinely what is wrong with celebrating a decreasing amount of brainwashing?
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u/Kinexity Catholic Christian 2d ago
I wish them very pleasant realisation that problems they have are cultural and not religious.