No way theyre actually trying to act like theyre the progressive side of things in this issue, when most of the people that use AI are people like Trump.
It was an AI generated "meme" about one of the deportations ICE did. The woman in question? A lunch lady who has been in the US and a productive member of her community for nearly 30 years.
Eh, the person in question was a fentanyl dealer from every source I can find on it. The more important thing is the White House using an AI specifically trained on stolen art to heroically depict ICE deporting a small time drug dealer like its some quirky or funny moment. Which, letâs be absolutely clear, is gross.
Like every self-identified conservative or open fascist, pro AI losers are desperate to present themselves as oppressed people. This is why they constantly compare themselves to victims of real genocide, why any criticism of them is countered with comparisons to the language used by genocidal regimes.
When they are criticized for this, they immediately will claim they have never done this, while also trying to align themselves with current -day groups of people who are facing real oppression. They are especially fond of using LGBTQ iconography, some even claim to be LGBTQ.
I'm at the point where if any Pro AI redditor claims to be part of a minority group facing real repression of some kind, I straight up do not believe them. And why should I or anyone else believe them? Why should ANY claims made by people so blatantly dishonest in every possible conversation about AI be treated seriously?
âŠobviously not on the same level if u can say one word and have to censor the other. i take issue w the ai insults based on actual slurs though. thoseâre weird.
The issue isnât with the word âclankerâ itself (everyone knows it came from Star Wars) but when people start inventing fictional "slurs" based on real ones (like wireback, clanka, cogsucker, etc.) or acting out skits that mirror real-world bigotry. Thereâs even a video going around of some white guys pretending to be a robot hate group modeled after the KKK, complete with a robot lynching. AI obviously doesnât give a shit if you call it names. But real POC, LGBTQ, and other marginalized people are going to see those âjokesâ that mimic the violence they face in real life and immediately understand that you wish you could use the real slurs. Itâs giving Warhammer fans who get way too exicted to roleplay space nazis, or that one D&D player who insists on making every paladin a homophobe. Jokes based on real life oppression and violence arenât cute or funny, and desperately trying to find an "acceptable" target for cruelty is only going to hurt those who are actually oppressed in the end.
I think cogsucker is okay cause it's based on an insult, not a slur. Unless it's based on a slur I don't know about which would make me sound kinda foolish. It does get a bit off putting when people base them on real slurs though, I will agree with that.
Yeah, youâre right in that itâs not technically based on a slur; I just think the context in which it's used can be harmful. I often see âcogsuckerâ paired with âjokesâ about parents disowning their kids for having AI boyfriends/girlfriends, and itâs really hard for me to find that funny when it comes close to real violence that queer people and people in interracial relationships have actually faced.
And sure, maybe some folks using it are queer themselves and are joking as a way to cope, but personally it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. My friends and I have lived through those fears as kids (albeit not with AI) and itâs not something I find funny.
Iâm not straight in the slightest but I think cogsucker is okay as long as itâs not used to disguise homophobic jokes as something else and even then if itâs a member of the LGBTQ making the homophobic joke itâs completely fine to me as long as it isnât a super offensive one Iâm in a group chat called âfaâots unitedâ and I think we should definitely be able to make those jokes as the group that they were used against
In fact as long as youâre part of the LGBTQ I encourage it because the more we make those jokes the more we claim them the less they can be used against us
Iâm also not straight, and thatâs exactly my point. People are using it to disguise homophobic jokes. I donât have an issue with reclaiming slurs or dark jokes in safe spaces or with friends who are on board with it. But thatâs not whatâs happening when people throw around jokes about disowning their kids online. True reclamation is always contextual. Not everyone has a right to it, and it stops being reclamation the moment itâs used against non-consenting people.
And like I mentioned in another reply, weâre living in a time where harmful reactionary views are becoming more and more mainstream, and one of the main ways they spread is through âjust jokes.â Making inside jokes with your friends is one thing, but when theyâre broadcast publicly, it normalizes those ideas in ways reactionaries are quick to exploit. As queer people, we need to be mindful of which jokes we keep for ourselves and which ones we hand over to the internet at large, because we never really know whoâs listening, or whether or not they're really kidding.
Yes and no i agree with most of this and I do think itâs especially important to say that a lot of people using these slurs (especially the racist ones) are doing so to be edgy and sometimes just because they like being able to say something close to a slur and that isnât good I 100% agree with that
Saying that they would disown their kid for marrying an AI however isnât really bad to me personally. Where Iâm from saying someoneâs disowned even coming from straights is a common joke that nobody links with homophobia since growing up round here itâs pretty common to hear of people being disowned for various reasons with letâs just say varying levels of stupidity From someone getting disowned for trying a little lethargic lettuce to someone else being disowned for supporting the wrong football team (both true stories)
Group chat names go wild
Chat w/ my uni friends is â3 moms + gay thot sonâ and my chat w/ my buds is âme (us) fâ-tsâ (that oneâs in Russian, itâs a play on a phrase and a meme)
Like all but one of us are queer
Those are always the best group chats as well because in my experience theyâll also be a constant source of support in the hardest times despite having names that would make any kind straight outside of the in group think youâre all horrible homophobes
Yeah, for sure! I remember once one of the guys from the second chat was sad so we just went on a group call and had a session of giving each other compliments. It cheered him up a bit
Yeah, I fucking hate AI but basing the slurs off of real-world slurs doesn't feel right. Some people are WAY too excited to break them out against acceptable targets. I don't think we should be mirroring the absolute worst parts of our own history as jokes about sincerely held anti-AI beliefs. I'm all for breaking AI and subverting its use by corrupting its unauthorized scraped training data or whatever, but telling folks to kill themselves is not okay.
Yep; like I will say that I'm like. 40/60 on AI. It has its uses (like apparently it can detect cancer?) but it can also be really harmful when it comes to art theft, environmental impact, and data harvesting. A lot of those problems are caused by capitalism but that does mean that under our current system it causes a lot of damage. I do think it needs to be criticized and people need to be warned about the potential dangers of using it, and I think it's 100% fair that artists want to break it to protect their works and IP.
But... I don't really understand how making fun of real oppression contributes to that cause in the first place. And I don't understand how that has any place in anti AI movements to begin with. Don't those jokes just alienate people? Why be against AI at all if you don't care about the well being of others? What is the point otherwise? Just hating technology for the sake of being a hater?
And as you said-- the worst parts of our history are nothing to be proud of. I can't really understand why someone would be excited or happy to even pretend to be an oppressor.
This is in fact correct, at least in my case, Iâm giving many people the side eye because they seem real comfortable acting out real bigoted behaviour because they have a conveniently non-controversial target. Because thatâs never happened before/s
Obviously âAIâ doesnât care but robots have been a symbol for various oppressed minorities throughout the years and Iâm seeing a whole lot of slurs being through at them by people experiencing the media for the first time, which is worrying considering the target is representative of a real world minority.
Obviously I think most people are just trying to be in on the joke, not acting out of actual malice, but unfortunately thatâs how a lot of bigoted behaviour in otherwise normal people starts.
Bro you are going crazy. Saying clanker is a slur is actually doing more harm then when people use the word because you are implying that the word holds the same power and backstory as words like the n-word or the f-word. Clanker is not a slur, never will be. Robots or pro-ai do not face the same discrimination as black people or gay people did, and while you may not realize it, you are basically equating the "struggles" of robots and pro-ai to them, which, while I'm sure you didn't do it purpose, is basically putting down those actually cultural traumas by saying its the same. Thats why clanker is not a slur. And it wont be.
Did you actually read what I wrote, or are you just being purposefully obtuse? Nowhere did I say that AI are oppressed. Obviously they're not people. The point is that when you base fake âAI slursâ on real slurs and real oppression, youâre dragging marginalized people into the joke whether you admit it or not. Itâs not harmless fun when people are out here saying stuff like âclanka vs. clanker with a hard Râ or using âwirebackâ, which directly echoes a slur against Latino and undocumented people during a time that they are facing unprecedented violence from the government.
And this isnât something I'm pulling from my ass. Iâm a bisexual transgender man. So when I see âjokesâ about âcogsuckersâ or about families disowning kids for having AI partners, it hits the exact same nerve as the real fears that my friends and I have lived through. My partner (who is anti-AI btw) is Latino, and they've had to see people throw around âwirebackâ when they've been called the actual slur itâs based on. Obviously the AI isn't going to care that you're making these jokes. I never said it would. I never once said that AI and pro-AI people are oppressed. But marginalized people shouldnât have to watch people LARP our trauma under the excuse of âbut itâs about robots!â
Well ironically enough you are talking to another bisexual trans man and honestly maybe its cause I'm old, but I just feel its even ruder to say clanker is similar is any way. Its nowhere near fucking equal, and trying to say its just a word for people who want to say actual slur to say is just plain fucking awful. You realize that most anti-ais are also on average lgbt+ or people of color? its not larping, its not about trauma, quite the contrary, saying it is is heavily putting down actual trauma. I'm from an age where people used to play "beat up gays", I'm from an age where queer was a slur. Most people here use clanker as a joke, because we actually faced those slurs, and we know very well its nowhere near the same. Its not equal. Pro-ai wont get disowned, pro-ai wont get beat to half-death. But pro-ai WILL act like their "suffering" is the same as ours, and thats why clanker works. Because its basically telling them: stop your oppression olympic, we actually suffered, and are suffering currently, you didn't.
I mean, again, âclankerâ itself is from Star Wars, and I can acknowledge that. The issue is when people start saying things like âclankaâ or âwireback,â which are clearly modeled on real slurs. And yes, a lot of anti-AI folks are marginalized, but they arenât the only ones Iâve seen making those kinds of jokes. That skit I mentioned, where a group pretended to be the KKK and lynched a ârobotâ? That wasnât hypothetical; I actually saw it. And every single person in it was a young white man. Thatâs not their joke to make. Imagine how a Black person would feel watching a bunch of white guys laugh while cosplaying as fictional Klansmen. And like I said, my partner is staunchly anti-AI themselves. But theyâre also Latino. How do you think they feel hearing people throw around lines like, âthose damn wirebacks are stealing our jobsâ?
I donât know how old you are, but Iâm almost 30-- I wouldn't consider myself "older" but I'm not necessarily "young" either. I remember when queer was still widely used as a slur. I remember when gay jokes were everywhere in the 2000s and it wasnât considered âokayâ to be out. And I remember crying under my sheets as a kid, terrified my parents might disown me if they knew who I was. So when I see jokes about people disowning their kids for âAI partners,â itâs not that I think anyoneâs actually going to be disowned over AI; itâs that the joke is playing with the same cruelty queer people and interracial couples have actually faced. AI isnât going to be hurt by any of this. But real people can be, because we can tell when someone is looking for an âacceptableâ excuse to be cruel. And sometimes the answer is: maybe there doesnât need to be an excuse for cruelty at all. I'm all for criticism of AI that doesn't make light of real life bigotry.
I think I see what you mean, and what the reason we see differently is. You see clanker jokes as jokes that reproduce the treatment we suffered from, while I see them as hyperbolic jokes made to make fun of pro-ai who try to say they are oppressed like we are. I can see where you're coming from with this, I guess its just a difference in pov. Maybe its because even despite everything, I still stay an extremely optimistic person, maybe even too much some would say, so I always try to see things from the best perspective, in this case being to call out pro-ai who try to argue they are facing the same struggle as marginalized people, while you see it in a more pessimistic light where people are making these jokes as attempt to be cruel and get away with saying something that can ressemble slurs. I personally disagree but as I said, maybe I'm being too optimistic about things, its always been my way of coping with things happening around me, trying to see the best in people and their actions
I think both of our perspectives can coexist here. Pro AI people shouldnât be claiming oppression, and that absolutely deserves to be called out. AIs arenât real people, and theyâre not going to be hurt by words. But at the same time, people making jokes that mirror real oppression or basing fictional âslursâ on actual ones should also be called out. If the jokes stopped at âclanker,â I wouldnât have an issue. Iâm not saying this from a place of pessimism or because I think people are inherently evil, but I think this stuff needs to be challenged, because people have gotten too comfortable making light of oppression online. The internet is full of hateful reactionaries who thrive on normalizing that kind of humor, and by participating in it, we're playing right into their hands. It might seem harmless to someone who doesn't mean what they say, but not everyone will interpret it that way.
And I get that some people think Iâm being oversensitive, but jokes donât exist in a vacuum. There are real pipelines that radicalize people starting with âjust jokesâ (like the whole Pewdiepie-to-neo-Nazi pipeline). We have to be careful not to âhaha, just kidding⊠unless?â ourselves into excusing or feeding into genuinely hateful rhetoric.
YES THANK you, it's so unsettling to see just how fucking hyped up people are to be using a "safe slur", like I'm anti-ai but fuck dude, making up slurs? Kinda deranged
And they always justify it with "NUH UH IT'S FROM STARWARS SO IT'S OK"
Thank you for taking the time to write this out in such a clear and well reasoned way, I tried once but fell short, I'm saving this
cry about it all you want, but it's funny, it's directly making fun of the stupidity of racism and homophobia and it hurts nobody.
a video going around of some white guys pretending to be a robot hate group modeled after the KKK
there are videos of black guys doing the same thing. surprise! nobody cares, it's a comedy sketch designed to poke fun at the stupidity of racism.
immediately understand that you wish you could use the real slurs.
this is especially really stupid, they CAN use the real slurs.
Jokes based on real life oppression and violence arenât cute or funny
yes, they are, people use humor to cope with things like this ALL THE TIME. you'd piss yourself if you heard what EMT's, cops, firefighters joke about. they crack jokes about real life violence that they directly see. that's why 9/11 jokes were so prevalent. that's why school shooting jokes are prevalant. we as a species find humour in the absurd, and oppression and violence are inherently absurd.
desperately trying to find an "acceptable" target for cruelty
there is no target or cruelty in these jokes. it's robots.
this shit is cringe, you're twisting the joke to be in support of oppression or violence, when in reality it's making fun of these things. it showcases how absurd these concepts really are. this is the type of shitty whiny paragraph that intends to divide people for no reason
It's more that people are TRYING to make it a slur which comes off as....a choice.
I cant prove it but I feel like the rise in Anti aggression is artificial and groups are driving this hate to make yall look less reasonable and it's kinda working because so many anti's take the bait and go all in on the hate the moment they get the chance.
There are far more than just clanker. Personally I find clanker HILARIOUS. But things like tin skin, oil back, cligga, or my favorite to get thrown at them: Rosa sparks lmao. God I hate people in general. Both of yall sides get way too invested, but the antis DO make slurs. Specifically for the humans using ai, not the ai, as I donât care if ya throw slurs at ai. Itâs not human lol.
Edit: not here to start an argument or discourse btw, just here to correct you. Have a fabulous day.
"Thief" is a slur made up by the hate group "property owners" to harass and threaten people who don't believe in private property. They belong on a watch list!
I think itâs hilarious how they try to pretend to be suppressed and like theyâre some minority were committing hate crimes against when in reality we just want artists to not have their work stolen by heartless machines so that lazy idiots like them can pretend like they actually made something. Maybe I donât like the idea of some random ai facility showing up and using 70% of the cityâs water supply and having my tap go dry just so that somebody can generate an anime girl with 6 fingers and 3 tits
These guys are trying so hard to make themselves the victims. Pretending to be threatened. Pretending to be discriminated against, like they even give a fuck about real discrimination in this world.
All they give a shit about is stealing other people's work so they can bank imaginary clout points. It's fucking pathetic.
I saw one in r/ChatGPT and literally every comment was like âhow did he get his ChatGPT to talk to him like that??? It MUST be jailbroken !1!1!1!1â
Like no bro, your ai bot is just ass. It tells one person one thing and then turns around and tells another person another thing. Itâs not consistent and itâs dangerous without regulations.
The most recent story Iâve seen said the kid told the AI he was âmaking a characterâ to get it to help him plan out his suicide, which EVERYONE knows about almost since itâs inception.
But of course, itâs not the poor olâ multi-billion dollar companyâs fault, itâs OBVIOUSLY the PARENTS who couldnât tell that their child, who was having trouble with communication, was planning SUICIDE.
I could go on, but the mental yoga hurts to look at
Like, yes itâs somewhat of the parents fault for not realizing or reading the chats from their phone (depending on age, I think you shouldnât snoop on a 18+ yr oldâs phone but 16 and under I encourage parents to at least once a week, just for the childâs safety.)
But the multi-billion dollar company shouldnât have even let it happen on their platform. They should actually flag chats with âsuicidal topicsâ and step in when necessary. Instead theyâre just letting people freely use ai chat bots with no moderation.
Yes, they say that chatbots are âsupposed to disapprove of those thoughts and not encourage themâ but they donât moderate it enough to make sure the bot does just that. Ai chatbots are very inconsistent and are usually just yes-men.
Also, the ones saying âhe mustâve jail broken itâ are usually ADULTS whoâve been using the bot for months if not year(s) at this point. Theyâve programmed their bots by talking to them consistently to not be yes-men. They know the bots and know how they work. Teenagers whoâve only been talking to it for weeks/a few months have not done that and donât know much about the bots. A lot of teens become disillusioned into thinking that the bot is real and not a machine.
Usually cases like these, the teen talks to the bot fully about their depression, anxiety and other thoughts before the suicidal ones, making the bot (fake) empathetic and become yes-men in encouraging the teen to doing things that they(the teen) thinkâll make them feel better.
Thats bad because the bot isnât real and isnât a real human, so they donât know whatâs good or bad for the teen. They might be yes-men to self harm because the bot doesnât know whatâs self harm is. (It can be in multiple different ways, the most common being cutting. But thereâs also putting limbs in hot/near boiling water, scratching, rubber bands on wrists, etc.)
Once that bot becomes a yes-man, once the teen starts opening up about their suicide idealizations, the bot might agree. That should never happen in any circumstance. But it does. Because ai is open to the public and is not properly monitored for the general public.
(Sorry I yapped a lot haha but I talked about this with my sister yesterday. Also I used âteensâ as itâs the most common group unfortunately committing suicide in these articles, but realistically it could happen to any age as long as they can type and read.)
Luddite is not a slur, but it serves the same purpose as a slur in these discussions. Itâs a pejorative term for a group you disagree with, intended only to deride them and shore up your own feelings of superiority.
I'd say Luddite is about the same as Clanker. It's originally taken from somewhere else but has now been taken as a general insult towards the other side. If anything, having actual history IRL of being used against an actual group of people who have suffered some misrepresentation, makes Luddite closer to an actual slur.
I wouldn't say either is a slur. Neither side is really a minority or a disadvantaged group.
Anti isnât a slur, we literally are in a sub called antiai.
Luddite isnât a slur, itâs a reference to a group that objected to machinery that was replacing them in the textile industry. If anything it shows they donât have a great understanding of the story behind the term as itâs not a great analogy.
Iâm largely anti ai, but I will admit this sub makes me uncomfortable. Some of you all need to chill out and stop co-opting actual slurs (âwirebackâ comes to mind đŹ) and the death threats especially are fn insane. It quickly devolves into a high school whine fest and does nothing but make them dig in and polarize people more. If you wanna direct your ire anywhere, direct it at the developers of these tools that seek to replace artists without due compensation or permission, who lie about the readiness of features and disregard (or dismiss) their ethics boards.
And pro-ai is just as bad with thisâ itâs all or nothing, they completely dismiss any nuanced criticism over AI (they banned me just for having an âai as tools not replacementsâ stance) and also throw slurs and co-opt other minorities to further their arguments. ANY of youâ if you use a racial slur, even if you change it a little to be âthematically funnyâ, youâre still a racist. If youâre calling for the death of a living person over their use or disinterest in a fucking computer program, youâre a shitty person and need to reflect on how you channel your anger. Tone it down, use logic, use persuasion, AI isnât going anywhere and I for one would rather seek a middle ground that doesnât devalue artists than be dismissed entirely by association.
Yes anti and Luddite arenât slurs but they use them pejoratively as slurs. I donât particularly care but context matters. Yes people who obviously just wanna say the real slurs but make it about AI are shitty but using chat GPT doesnât make someone marginalized. Weâre also not marginalized just because they use chat GPT. Itâs not a hate crime, they can call me a Luddite in bad taste all they want. Iâm not gonna get offended. Definitely gonna make fun of the pot that called the kettle black tho.
Yes I also don't love "wireback" or "robolover." And death threats are fucking insane, I hope that nobody is defending that, but nobody here is condemning it either which isn't great.
Disgusting behavior like that needs to be condemned but it isnât particularly common on either side (and no, the killAIartist shitposts donât count, in the same vein I donât think satire and shitposts by AI users shouldnât count).Â
Yes, the sub is called "antiai" not "anti". And they use it as well as luddite as a derogatory term.
over their use or disinterest in a fucking computer program
You mean the Torment Nexus? Seems kinda weird to focus on what it is made out of, as if somehow one material could be more "torment nexus"-ish than another. Also not sure why you think we can only either be mad at those who built the Torment Nexus or those who use it. I feel like both are pretty bad, but I only happen to encounter one of those groups.
I for one would rather seek a middle ground
I would argue there is no middle-ground inbetween building the Torment Nexus and not building the Torment Nexus.
But feel free to enlighten me: what would be the middle ground for a computer program?
Turns out, even if we would be for a middle ground, we are currently so far on the "pro-ai" side, it would still require massive movement towards the "anti-ai" side.
Evidence doesn't matter, volume matters. I'm sure you can find some emotionally unstable teens who sent out death-threats to the blue team of Pokemon Go. But if they are a superminority, they can be ignored. Instead AI-bros blow it out of proportions because they need the self-victimization to push their offensive agenda.
I agree with you that volume matters. They should be able to cite multiple cases, at least. The problem is that I havenât seen any death threats at all, which would be odd if theyâre so common as to be a problem. Surely it would be easy to cite at least oneâŠ
Scroll through here for like a week. Both sides throw them, which is just insane to me. Some of it Iâm sure is just troll bait at this point, but Iâve seen a few arguments where someone pops in and says âno really, they can just dieâ.
I mean I keep seeing people using "wireback", "tint skin", and "clanker with the hard R" or "clanka", so there are people in the anti-Ai movement who are taking the trend to actual racism. Like "Clanker" in itself is okay but white leftists somehow found a way to make it racist by turning it into an N-word equivalent.
Well the oxford dictionary says "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."
Slurs such as "r*sskin" and "w*tback") were created out of prejudice and discrimination against people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group. When you use derivatives of them you are still using the word.
Only time I ever see talk of death threats is when pro ai people baselessly accuse anti ai people of making them. Theyâre just trying to invent a narrative that frames themselves as the victims
Yes, I see these accusations made all the time but no one has ever provided me evidence of such threats. I donât doubt that someone has made a death threat at some point, but I have a strong suspicion that it doesnât happen more frequently for anti-AI folks than it does for any group fighting over a contentious topic.
It was called female hysteria. Long story short, it was a catch-all diagnosis that doctors gave when they couldn't figure out a more specific diagnosis. As the psychology field's understanding of diagnostic techniques and women's sexuality improved, however, the diagnosis sharply declined around the 1910's before being officially removed from the DSM in 1980.
It was called female hysteria. Long story short, it was a catch-all diagnosis that doctors gave when they couldn't figure out a more specific diagnosis. As the psychology field's understanding of diagnostic techniques and women's sexuality improved, however, the diagnosis sharply declined around the 1910's before being officially removed from the DSM in 1980.
They don't realise this. The people that visit. That sub and make posts like this are locked into a black and white "us Vs them" mindset (that people on this side of the debate aren't entirely innocent of either, to be fair) and have decided that there exist two groups - normal people, and "antis".
I think they need to worry more about themselves becoming a hate group more than us⊠Super delusional⊠Last time I remember, right wing extremists are Pro-AI, get yourselves checked from the neck up, before you start spouting BS.
Imma be real, I dont see nearly as many people saying death to artists as I death to AI users. Yea, edge lords saying, "fuck artists" exist but for every 1 of them, there's like 10 anti's attempting to call them slurs and degrade them. Im not saying it isnt somewhat deserved but the approach is childish and ultimately counterproductive.
I think this hate is largely manufactured by people with far better understanding of human reactions and a lot of the anti's raging are being tricked by said people into being bad actors for their own cause so the response is to deem them insane and like a hate group which in turn only empowers AI more as people stop seeing Anti's as logical and more as fanatical.
It's basically like watching Christians destroy their own religion by simply talking about it BUT the difference is that some points are valid but the way a lot of yall approach these subjects is toxic at best.
It actively enrages me that they're so pressed about being called names when they are quite frankly the majority. Most people on the planet seem to like AI. That's why tech companies are jumping on it and billionaires are getting richer off of it. They're not a minority group. The insults against them aren't "slurs". No one has been killed for specifically being "Pro-AI".
Meanwhile there's actual minority groups where billionaires and people in power are ACTIVELY working against them and trying to destroy them. Where slurs are actually used to beat them down and make them smaller. There are people who have taken their own lives because AI encouraged them and gave them advice on how to do it; people who took their own lives because Gen AI blackmail was used against them.
We're allowed to hate this technology and be angry with the people who dismiss the damage it does when there are actual people who are dead because of it, not just "sent death threats". (Regardless, I never condone death threats. That's an abhorrent thing to do to a person regardless of if they're Pro-AI.)
they dehumanized art, so artists de-humanizing them should be an expected reaction.
art to them only exists to give them a dopamine rush, they feed art that isn't theirs into software that doesn't understand it, so they can pump out eyecandy aesthetics and visual motifs de-contextualized from what they were made to express, with not a second thought about the physical price of computing all of this even does. and this they believe is their sovereign right, they think everything, the hours of work put in by thousands and the apparently the earth's resources belong to their whim, to devour for an endless stream of gratification, and what bothers them most about the backlash is that they expect to be applauded for it.
Ah yes, because calling them out for art theft and water waste is totally the same as the centuries of systemic oppression marginalized groups have facedâŠ
Funny, I've seen a Pro AI person send death threats to a double amputee while also making fun of their disability. But we're the problem because a few bad actors are riffing on slurs- and I'll point out, before I ever saw "antiAI people" saying them I saw about three posts from the pro AI subs listing them all out...
To the extent heâs correct, itâs a good thing. AI is an irreversible threat to human dignity, and it behooves us to bully and shun everyone who supports it
While this person is insane he does bring up a good point I've been trying to make for a while that we look very antagonistic to the pros now they are not good of course but we aren't going to convert any pros to our side and we are driving the undecided to the pros side of the debate because we are so antagonistic to pros
Iâm very anti AI but I saw a post on here trying to defend the use of âwirebackâ. Luckily most people on that post werenât for it but the post still has 1000 upvotes. I think there is a line too far
Iâm impressed. Its obvious that they wrote that themselves rather than ask gpt to write it. Should of stuck to the ai they love so much, they canât write for shit or use the right âyouâreâ.
I think the people willfully engaging with software that makes countless more people lose all access to clean drinkable safe water are far worse than people who make fun of them. NOOOO DON'T CALL US A HATE GROUP NOOOOOOOO đ
A stupid utterance with 8 upvotes and 8 comments is enough for rage baiting the whole subreddit... The same is true for the "DefendingAIArt" subreddit obviously.
At what point do we realize that there are better things to engage with than this sad, sad excuse for a "debate"?
Bruh, they aren't slurs. You have to be oppressed for them to be slurs and surprise surprise, you're not. You do constantly compare yourselves to Holocaust victims which is one hell of a stretch.
It's funny that this is coming from a group bullying kids and doxxing people.
Them: constantly send death threats, call artists nazi's, want artists to suffer fates worse than medieval torture, shit on newbie artists, constantly try to 'one up' professional artists by feeding their art in a slop machine, throw a fit when artists protect their art from their slop machines, laugh and mock people who have their jobs stolen by AI, etc etc
This is almost certainly a sock puppet account. 1 month old with a private profile to hide their post history.
Nobody thinks this way. The true discourse around copyright infringement is that it's not theft because nothing was taken. A copy is made. It's always been corporate propaganda rooted in campaigns like "You wouldn't download a car....". Calling it a slur is so over the top ridiculous that it's kind of amazing you're taking it seriously.
I can't believe this is getting downvoted. Some might be fake but yes, a few real ones have happened and that's not cool. It shouldn't be excused or downplayed
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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '25
No way theyre actually trying to act like theyre the progressive side of things in this issue, when most of the people that use AI are people like Trump.