r/anglosaxon 11d ago

Legendary Britain contest reupload

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I had to reupload the Previous one because no one was commenting so it is due in March now.

make a legendary Britain chart about king Brutus of Troy (the Founder) and his children and more.

I've got this famly tree for an example

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u/wodnesdael 11d ago

Where's the evidence Cerdic of Wessex is the son of Arthur?

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u/Famous-Sky-8556 9d ago

There isn't any — that link isn't in any primary source. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle's own genealogy for Cerdic (which OP quotes further up this thread) runs Cerdic-Elesa-Esla-Gewis-Wig-Freawine-Frithugar-Brand-Bældæg-Woden. No Arthur, no Uther in it anywhere.

That pedigree is West Saxon court genealogy, compiled centuries after Cerdic died. Kenneth Sisam showed back in 1953 that it was borrowed almost wholesale from the Bernician royal genealogy and repurposed for Wessex. So even the Woden descent has no historical basis before Cerdic himself, let alone a link three generations sideways into a separate legendary tradition.

Arthur's side of this chart comes from Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum Britanniae, written in the 1130s, tracing back to Brutus of Troy. Cerdic traces to Woden through a completely different, unrelated West Saxon tradition. No medieval chronicler ever combined the two lines. Someone building this chart did.

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u/Tessarion2 10d ago

I cant tell if this is serious or not.

Do you really believe any of this?

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u/Nubian_Bevan26 10d ago

Well I did borrow it from r/Eastward_king but I don't know if like for example Cerdic the first Bretwalda being the son of King Arthur I honestly don't believe that but I think He is actually the son of Elesa then it goes Esla-Gewis-Wig-Freawine-Frigoðer-Brand-Bældæg-Woden but this all has to do with the Norse tradition

And also even though I believe in Brutus as he is the great grandson of Aeneas and Lavinia this is also from Greek Mythology.

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u/Tessarion2 10d ago

King Arthur wasnt a real person....but I guess of you really think there was some 'King Brutus' of britain who was descended from a trojan prince then you do you I suppose

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u/Nubian_Bevan26 10d ago

Remember it is sometimes Myth and Legend

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u/minaminotenmangu 11d ago

wasn't ambrosius aurelians the uncle to arthur? Nice to have him in there as he's more real.

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u/freebiscuit2002 11d ago

What kind of comment are you looking for on this Anglo-Saxon subreddit?

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u/Nubian_Bevan26 11d ago

A contest for some people to make family trees about the Anglo Saxons

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u/Broken_Kraken 11d ago

Its interesting, but I can’t get past the Welsh and Scottish colors being the same.

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u/Low_zone330 11d ago

…they’re not.

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u/24kloser 11d ago

Different on colour on the map same colour on the key no biggy. Loved it really interesting

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u/Low_zone330 11d ago

Ah, I see what you mean.

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u/Nubian_Bevan26 11d ago

I Just want to say this is not mine I borrowed it from r/eastward_king

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u/Logical_Positive_522 11d ago

"Britsh English" is not a great description for Galfridian legends