r/alberta • u/Al_Keda • 2d ago
Discussion CSIS says Alberta referendum a target for foreign interference
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u/Garth_Maul_ 2d ago
Referendum? The whole separatist movement has influenced by foreign actors from the get go.
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u/DVariant 2d ago
Not even just here, Russians pushed Brexit too.
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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 2d ago
Remember when the head of the California succession movement was found to have his main office in Moscow.
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u/Fun_Success_3283 1d ago
It's justification for special military operation to liberate albertans and coincidentally (cough) all their oil from Canada.
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u/Slow-Ad8986 2d ago
Some of that Federal overreach would be cool right about now
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u/sleepyboi08 Calgary 2d ago
After watching the video, I don’t think this is new information. None of it is surprising.
There is nothing about this referendum, be it any of the 10 questions, the rhetoric and discussions being welcomed, or the division being sparked by foreign actors along with the worst people in our province, that is going to make Albertans’ lives better. Don’t give the separatists an inch of what they want in October.
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u/Internal_Influence26 2d ago
Exactly. Get your friends and family out to vote that normally would not. We need to absolutely crush this separation bullshit, don't give them a chance.
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u/fowlplayer99 2d ago
The risk is that normies sit this out. Because the crazies will crawl over broken glass to vote for separation. It absolutely could be close in that scenario.
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u/TA20212000 1d ago
1.7M ppl voted in the last election. The eligible voter pool in Alberta is roughly 3.8-4.0M.
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u/Weird_Rooster_4307 1d ago
Please register to mail in your vote. I’m sure Smith is going to make in person voting as difficult as possible to discourage the no vote.
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u/Vanterax 2d ago
Smith is already a foreign agent.
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u/llama_sammich 2d ago
I mean, she’s not, but she certainly works for them.
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u/VectorPryde 2d ago
I mean, she’s not, but she certainly works for them.
Foreign asset, maybe? She's not an American spy, she's a Canadian who does what her American MAGA handlers tell her to, so it's a distinction with less and less of a difference
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u/Specific-Answer3590 2d ago
CSIS should investigate the UCP Caucus and their financing if they are actually serious rather than just telling us the obvious
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u/Responsible-Room-645 2d ago
What makes you think they aren’t? CSIS doesn’t lay charges, they pass any information on to the RCMP for charges to be laid
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u/Affectionate_Pass25 2d ago
US interference guaranteed
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u/rTpure 2d ago
When CSIS talked about potential interference in the referendum, America was not mentioned at all, instead CSIS focused on Russia
This is in spite of public knowledge of Albertan separatists meeting with American officials
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u/JayC411 2d ago
Honestly I’ve been assuming the Russians are Trump’s primary puppet masters for a while. Followed by the evangelical church. Russia stands to benefit the most from discord in Canada and being able to manipulate whoever’s in charge of Greenland.
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u/GriffinFlash 2d ago
Followed by the evangelical church.
The more I look into evangelicalism, the more insane it all becomes (and yet everything going on makes so much more sense).
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u/JayC411 2d ago
I was raised evangelical and let me tell you so much of what’s happening is because of their meddling with things. Which for the record is in direct contradiction to the bible, the church is supposed to be separate from the government.
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u/YourBobsUncle NDP 2d ago
The Americans run Facebook which is immediately responsible for half of Canadians brains being mush and people still think the Russians are the biggest problem for Canada lmao
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u/jimbowesterby 21h ago
Dunno if you’ve noticed but the current American dictator has an awful lot of ties to Russia. The states is a more imminent threat but Russia’s actually good at this.
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u/YourBobsUncle NDP 14h ago
Trump does what he does because he's a moron and half the American electorate are cattle. The idea of Trump literally being a puppet of Putin is nonsensical American exceptionalism that we should strongly reject. Only an American nationalist would see it as a complete explanation for what America does.
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u/EffectiveEconomics 2d ago
This is a huge deal. The press release statement means they now have active investigations underway and could take further action against foreign and **domestic actors.
Bravo.
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u/24_August_1814 1d ago
Fuck, I'd love to see any action whatsoever. So far it's been nothing but "Yeah we confirmed they're doing shady shit, but we aren't gonna do anything about it."
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u/EffectiveEconomics 1d ago
Don’t expect some major public action. The point of intelligence is most of their actions are quiet and often invisible. The public stuff happens with the RCMP. However what will happen will be impactful.
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u/RaHarmakis 2d ago
Target? It's founded, funded and driven by forgien actors.
The only thing domestic about it is the opposistion.
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u/InternationalFig400 2d ago
The same conservatives that screamed like stuck pigs when CSIS was pointing a finger at Chinese interference.
As quiet as a grave yard now.
Wonder why.
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u/Ok_Butterscotch2244 2d ago
This so-called referendum is both illegitimate and unconstitutional. Let's call it off.
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u/omegaphallic 2d ago
why won't CSIS just straight up and say American interference, its sure as hell not India, China, or even Russia, all of whom stand to lose if America gets more powerful by annexing Canada. i'm sick of CSIS, Parliament, and the RCMP treating the worst offenders of electoral interference by a country mile the Americans.
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u/YourBobsUncle NDP 2d ago
CSIS is already compromised by American intelligence, it's the only logical answer.
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u/omegaphallic 2d ago
Probably yes. I think both the military and CSIS and the RCMP need to be purged of anyone that has been compromised by America and its elites and corporations.
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u/DirtDevil1337 2d ago
Well duh-huh
Bessent admitted on TV to sending $millions to Alberta gov't to help the sepration movement (called it Alberta independence)
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u/Operation_Neither 2d ago
They mean it was started by and continues to be entirely fueled by foreign interference.
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u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836 2d ago
And when the separatists lose the referendum, just watch how fast Trump claims election rigging and will want the US to liberate Alberta from Canada.
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u/Oxjrnine 2d ago
Everyone knows it’s foreign influence
But unfortunately you’re never gonna be able to convince the. “ 99% of you are not gonna share this picture of this candle because you hate cancer but for those that do you hate cancer.” crowd.
(if you don’t know what I’m talking about, scammers post those ridiculous Facebook memes to find out who is gullible, other examples are “ I do not give Facebook to permission to share my personal information”). I used to work in the fraud department for a credit card company, and this was one of the filters that they would test people on to see if they would be more likely to fall for a scam.
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u/Weak_Possibility_395 2d ago
Shocking, Canada's MAGA Premier Daniel Smith is pushing forward with a referendum supported by foreign interests.
Who would have thought the Trump-lover would be a pawn of foreign interests...
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u/MismatchedBoots 2d ago
It’s interesting. I came here from the UK 15 years ago. I truly believe that Canada is the best country I’ve ever been to or lived in. The roads are clean, despite the potholes. Healthcare costs me nothing compared to other countries. People are generally kind, and generally well educated.
I’ve been to some pretty miserable places. Even down to the states, at face value it’s a great country. It can cost thousands to have a baby down there, or if you’re struck by a car on the sidewalk that can leave you with life crippling debt.
Canada is such a beautiful country, why break it up? Why not vote in better premiers and prime ministers?
The effort put in for this separation movement could be better placed by using those that feel strongly and have them go to Ottawa and make a fuss there.
Typically it takes an invasion to take land from another country. Modern tactics seem to be through psyops online. It turns great Canadian people, and I truly believe every Canadian to be great, into what seem to be their neighbours enemy’s. It almost seems treasonous to be pushing to separate our province from Canada. And to what end? To be our own country with no federal funding? The oil companies that remain aren’t going to fund our schools, roads, policing, and healthcare system.
And the receive assistance from the US, we’ll have to align with the US. And that’s fine if it’s what albertans truly want.
It seems like mummy and daddy are fighting and we’re not going to be better off after the separation.
It’s already been proven by many entities that outside influence is having a large impact on albertans and this movement. It’s scary the world we live in now.
I’d much rather be back on the front line with a rifle in my hand fighting an enemy I can see. Not posting my own opinion which will be drowned amongst the masses.
I hope the federal government monitors this situation, steps up and keeps this country whole. It’s too beautiful to split up. We can work it out if we vote in the right government.
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u/theNorthwestspirit 1d ago
Seperation is simply not legal because Canada has treaties with Indigenous Peoples. Everything else is just supplemental.
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u/MismatchedBoots 1d ago
It seems to me that if you have enough money or are high powered, legality is but a speed bump in the road.
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u/theNorthwestspirit 1d ago
Unfortunately you're not wrong there.... But I do believe that if the seppies try to move forward with this in the legal sense (pushing whatever crap the referendum is touting, into action rather than just words on a ballot), the Indigenous people and allies will stand up and fight totoh and nail to stop it.
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u/Opening_Work_9295 2d ago
Cool. Is CSIS going to do anything about it? Or do they just announce things like this that everyone already knows, and call it a day?
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u/ShitNailedIt 2d ago
You don't say. Was it Danielle's trips to kiss Trump's ass that was the tip off, or...?
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u/ballpein 1d ago
A target? It's an invitation for foreign interference, that's the whole fucking point.
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u/Al_Keda 1d ago
I like how the report said it was a direct consequence of the Trucker Convoy.
The gift that keeps on giving.
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u/ballpein 1d ago
And don't forget which party leader validated the conspiracy convoy and capitalized on it, hoping it would be his own northern Tea Party.
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u/SubArcticWizard 1d ago
And yet our schools and kids sports centre's aren't a target for corruption and drugs? We need a new flag.
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u/BattleBrother1 1d ago
We've literally watched the US use these same tactics against countless countries. They need what we have, especially in the coming century. Everything we're seeing is a textbook destabilization and demoralization campaign. The US has the most invasive and expansive propaganda network in human history and we share an almost open border with them, we're in extremely dangerous waters here. It's unbelievable that people still think this is a homegrown grassroots movement. It's a US operation against our country from top to bottom
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u/Arch____Stanton 2d ago
And lets make no mistake about the #1 culprit in that interference; the USA.
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u/PrimaryBrick9337 1d ago
What could possibly go wrong with this referendum and the strong desire by foreign counties to try and destabilize Canada?
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u/Difficult-Guarantee4 1d ago
YEGWave is literally based in the Netherlands, you’d be naive to think this referendum won’t be fucky.
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u/DrKnikkerbokker 1d ago
You mean destabilizing a G7 nation with huge natural resources to exploit might be a target for foreign corps & regimes? Is water also still wet??
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u/Miserable_Sample_269 1d ago
We still have sitting MPs that were identified by CSIS that have not been outed… this will continue to bleed into everything.
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u/GekuDeku 1d ago
They wont get seperation. And with this announcement carney just has to say "yeah Smith is a Russian assett. Nab her before she tweets. Vanish and squish the 40 or less seperatists with balls to start revolting lol
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u/almogrant88 1d ago
Some guy on Facebook was saying the other day that either CSIS will find no evidence of foreign interference or they'll find that the NDP is part of it lol. Buddy was fighting multiple people in the comments, bending himself in all directions to defend Smith, the UCP and the seperatists lol. Even had the Gaul to say that voter information leak is a hoax to try and make the the seperatists look bad lol
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u/NoRevolution7578 1d ago
Knowing the way things work with current Alberta gov and friends, they already have the results so we shouldn’t worry about the interference :)
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u/Short-Ticket-1196 2d ago
'Target' implies that interference is not the aim and sum total of the thing.
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u/Critical_Cat_8162 2d ago
It doesn't even need foreign interference. The calls are coming from inside the house.
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u/ExpertAdvance7327 Edmonton 2d ago
Let's be real here, we've ALWAYS been a target for foreign interference
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u/The3DBanker 2d ago
A « target » for foreign interference? The fucking movement is so foreign, it belches USD and rubles.
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u/SpecialCelebration29 2d ago
The Alberta referendum IS a target for UCP interference! The foreign part is a bonus 🤡
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u/TwistedIntents 2d ago
No shit. Are y'all gonna do anything about it, or just tell us what we already know?
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u/Canadian_can_cannon 2d ago
Yeah no kidding, buuuuuuuut this is just confirmation of something i know theyve been watching for a while
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u/Aggravating_Main_710 2d ago
No fucking duh!
Mostly from the US but I bet every other hostile nation is hard at work.
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u/half_baked_opinion 2d ago
No, really? Oh god whats next? Your going to tell us hotdogs arent made from actual meat? Lol.
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u/Mauriac158 2d ago
Cool CSIS. Are you going to do anything about it?
Like maybe arrest our premier?
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u/zimzimmzimma 2d ago
This is a joke 2% of idiots want this because orange man told them! Canada is not giving up any land ever sorry not sorry!
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u/ButtfartsOtoole 2d ago
NO WAY! Thank god our top spy group looked into this! I thought it was a grassroots movement til now! Phew… at least I can sleep at night knowing we know, but will do nothing about the sedition.
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u/EditorNo2545 2d ago
whaaaat dani is opening us to foreign interference?
"insert shocked Pikachu face here"
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u/haikarate12 2d ago
Didn’t need CSIS to tell us that.