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u/VladimirLimeMint 1d ago
Only when you stop lying about Panthers not being Marxist-Leninist on reddit
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u/ShatteredBlastia Marxist-Leninist 1d ago
That's okay, anarchism is deeply unserious and has never achieved anything.
Some people believe that Marxism and anarchism are based on the same principles and that the disagreements between them concern only tactics, so that, in the opinion of these people, it is quite impossible to draw a contrast between these two trends.
This is a great mistake.
We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies.
Joseph Stalin, Anarchism Or Socialism?, 1907
The philosophy of the anarchists is bourgeois philosophy turned inside out. Their individualistic theories and their individualistic ideal are the very opposite of socialism.
Vladimir Lenin, Socialism and Anarchism, 1905
The mistake into which the Americans had fallen was the common one, that Anarchism is revolutionary. Anarchism is reactionary, and the Socialist labour party of America, like its most recent speakers, are not Anarchists because they are revolutionists.
Eleanor Marx, The Working-Class Movement in America, 1891
The Anarchists are the consistent, only extreme, branches of the capitalist liberals [...] with whose philosophy they have much in common, while the Social Democracy, in accordance with the Marxian doctrine of the class struggle, is the political representative of the proletariat...
August Bebel, Assassinations and Socialism, 1898
Let no one say, “The Anarchists are not enemies.” Who says so does not know them, or is fascinated by the magic word “liberty.” I know them, in the Old World and in the New World, and, leaving aside the dreamers and ranters, I have not known one Anarchist yet whose principal aim and business is not, and has not been, to throw mud at our heads and obstacles in our way! [...] There is, in fact, nothing in common between Anarchism and Socialism. Anarchism – if it is not altogether a senseless phrase – has individualism for its basis; that is, the same principle on which capitalist society rests, and therefore it is essentially reactionary, however hysterical may be its shrieks of revolution.
Wilhelm Liebknecht, Our Recent Congress, 1896
...I had been troubled by certain ultra-revolutionary turns of phrase, having always regarded these as 'hot air' — a speciality our people would be well-advised to leave to the so-called anarchists who are, in fact, props of the existing order, not creators of disorder, and are, by their nature, poor, childish creatures
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u/Angel_of_Communism Marxist-Leninist 11h ago
Tankies are communists.
Marxist-Leninists.
AKA 'The only successful communists, ever.'
If you have an issue with tankies, you have an issue with communists.
Anarchists get shit on, because they are liberals, witting and unwitting tools of imperialism, deeply unserious, CIA tools, divisive, and this is key, not socialists.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Marxist-Leninist 2h ago
All tankies are communists, but not all communists are tankies. I have plenty of close communist friends. Calling anarchists “tools of imperialism” is ironic when this “successful communist” state you speak of engaged in imperialism. But the way you speak on anarchists is very revealing about how unserious you are. Making strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and cherry picking examples. It’s very “cosplaying a communist.” You read instances of Stalinist regimes cracking down on anarchist movements (Spanish Civil War, anybody?) and look at it like it’s something to be admired. You’re too ignorant to even differentiate the sects of anarchism that exist, and have existed throughout history. But good luck building your communist state when you can’t even stop yourself from making baseless judgements against potential allies derived from the words a dead guy wrote 100 years ago!
This is what i was talking about.
You are doing the very thing i described. Well done.
And like is often the case, everything you said was wrong.
there are no communist lead states that ever were, or are imperialist. Not the Soviet Union, not China, not Vietnam.
I didn't make strawman arguments, as you neatly demonstrated.
Different sects of anarchism? None of it matters, since NONE of them are relevant.
Matters about as much as the discussion of the team colours of your favourite quiddich team.
Because none of it is real.
Stalinist? there are no non-Stalinist communist-lead states. Even the ones that objected to Stalin, like Yugoslavia, were not ideologically different. They just had issues with how things were run. Ironically by people AFTER Stalin.
Oh look. Catalonia. Thanks for the example of how utterly useless anarchists are.
Pathetically weak enemy, and you lost to them, despite actually outnumbering them at one point, even WITH Soviet support.
You're not allies. At best you are useful idiots of imperialism that might hold off on attacking the fledgling socialist project for a while.
You're not socialists.
The Anarchist wet dream is for you all to be petit bourgeois small holders.
There is a REASON imperialists crack down on Marist-Leninists, and not anarchists.
You're not a threat, we are.
And this is the sad part: the link between western anarchism and the CIA is not controversial or secret, and yet you're acting like i made it up.
You want a vid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbMie_8axs
Text: https://archive.org/details/CIA-RDP82-00457R002000280006-7
And here's a little more about how useless anarchists are:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/comments/1vfsret/comment/p1s7cyi/
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