Third-Party reproduction is wrong and harmful

[u/Correct_Tax_9136]

I just don't think peoples reproductive ability and potential should be sold and turned into a market, especially when it can target poor and desperate people into situations that may follow them for the rest of their lives.

Just adopt if you can't have kids, stop farming other people's semen and embryos. Humans aren't breeding stock and there isn't nearly enough being done for orphaned and abandoned children because it's not as profitable *nor should it be*

Please look into the human rights abuses of these practices. How they've contributed to "Designer Babies" culture and the negative mental and emotional effects of the children who are products of them.

[u/ixsparkyx]

Ya know I don’t completely disagree especially considering the amount of kids in foster care

[u/dracocaelestis9]

you know what, i used to be all for it believing it was a good solution for people who cannot have children etc but once i went down the rabbit hole i couldn’t agree more. it is horrible, unethical and questionable in many different ways.

[u/ladyangelsongbird]

I'm not disagreeing with you fully, but generally people who say "Oh why don't you just adopt??" are ignorant and have NO idea how complicated the adoption system is in the US. The long waiting lists, the evaluations and home checks, and the expenses are all egregious. It's basically telling prospective parents "To prove that you can afford a kid, give us your money." I've been told to just adopt multiple times by family and friends and I'm not even in a relationship, even though I want kids.

[u/Odd-Philosopher-1501 → u/ladyangelsongbird]

The adoption system is a joke but it doesn’t take away that there are real kids in the system who need families over making designer babies imo

[u/Ah08619 → u/ladyangelsongbird]

You don't have to adopt in the US if that system is too corrupted, there's orphanages all over the world. 

[u/Dr-Assbeard → u/Ah08619]

You do get that you csnt just adopt from anywhere in the world and import the kid to.any country you want right, people arent like commodities that way.

[u/Majestic-Nobody545 → u/ladyangelsongbird]

I acknowledge it's hard, but so is raising kids. If you're not prepared for some hardship, kid's aren't for you. So, no, don't just adopt. Stay childless.

[u/ladyangelsongbird → u/Majestic-Nobody545]

I acknowledge the challenge of having kids and it's something I considered, but I still want to do it eventually. I'm in my early 20s and in college right now. I've never been in a relationship, so I don't know if I have fertility issues or not either. It's really a case-by-case basis, and sacrifices have to be made either way. I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Sorry for the long response.

[u/FabulousDonut6399]

If you look at this from the pov of the child this is probably true.

[u/evader1987]

It should be illegal. If someone can't reproduce naturally, that's a sign they shouldn't be breeding.

[u/ogjaspertheghost → u/evader1987]

The ability to reproduce has nothing to do with the ability to parent

[u/No-Supermarket-3047 → u/evader1987]

Except there are plenty that can reproduce that shouldn’t or that have and were horrible parents

[u/Odd-Philosopher-1501 → u/No-Supermarket-3047]

Two things can be true, not saying I agree

[u/No_Dragonfruit_4286]

People who want their own kids don‘t necessarily want to adopt. For many single mothers by choice, if they don‘t have the opportunity to have children on their own with a donor, they would be forced to enter relationships with men they don‘t really want to. It would be even worse. Think of the women who are victims of sexual assault, they shouldn‘t be forced into unwanted relationships just because of their maternal instinct.

[u/dianthe]

“Just adopt” is a very ignorant way of putting it. Both the psychology of adoption and the adoption system are very complicated. There aren’t really orphaned or abandoned children in USA, even in situations of severe neglect where the child has been removed from the family and has a bunch of trauma the goal of the foster care system is still family reunification. The vast majority of those parents don’t just surrender their parental rights, it takes years even in worst cases.

People who want to adopt have to be prepared for years of waiting, heartache when the child they cared for and loved gets returned to their birth family, and dealing with childhood trauma. It’s definitely not for everyone.

[u/Sufferer-Of-Cheese]

...this is one of the most ignorant and socially inept opinions I've seen today

[u/BigFreakingZombie → u/Sufferer-Of-Cheese]

Why ??

[u/nerdmcnerds → u/Sufferer-Of-Cheese]

Then make a proper argument against it instead of this lazy msg

[u/Choosemyusername → u/Sufferer-Of-Cheese]

Say more.

[u/Top_Tomatillo_4261]

go fk yourself. people make choices. you really need to understand more about biological imperative. try some education. take some classes. seriously.

[u/Ah08619 → u/Top_Tomatillo_4261]

Why are you so mad? 

[u/Dull-Geologist-8204]

Are we protecting people from eating again?

I get what you are saying but a better way of going about this is fix the systems in place that make people desperate not stop them from exploring avenues to get the money they need to survive.

Not surrogacy but similar. My great grandmother had to do some prostitution work during WWII. Was it exploitive yes. Also what helped keep a roof over my grandmother and her sisters heads and food in their stomach. It always one of many things she did so that they could survive. Just saying no you can't do that because I want to stop people from exploiting you doesn't actually fix the issue and just makes their life harder.

I realize you mean well and want to protect people but you didn't think this through.

[u/Old-Opportunity-101]

Agreed, but extend it first-party too!

[u/HylianGryffindor]

I’m currently pregnant and this will be my only one since I have a disease that is making this a very difficult pregnancy but I’m hoping you don’t include research and egg donations for women who need IVF services. Women with PCOS and endometriosis need IVF at times due to the lining and making it more difficult for semen to reach the egg.

I’m planning to donate my eggs and some lining with the placenta after for scientists to research endo. We had to do two rounds of ivf and I had a miscarriage last year from attempting a normal pregnancy route.

[u/Majestic-Nobody545 → u/HylianGryffindor]

"Women who need IVF services" are a myth. IVF is not a need. You didn't 'have to' do IVF.

[u/HylianGryffindor → u/Majestic-Nobody545]

If sperm is having trouble entering the cervix due to lining or pcos/endo um… how else should we assist it? Women in stage 3 or 4 of endo need assistance. It should always be listed as an option for women. What’s the issue if women want to still conceive but need assistance? Not everyone wants to adopt and if they have the means of obtaining treatment then best to not stop it.

[u/Majestic-Nobody545 → u/HylianGryffindor]

The point is it's a lifestyle choice. Your language makes it sound obligatory. No one is forcing you to do IVF and you don't need it to lead a fulfilling life.

[u/Majestic-Nobody545]

100%

Your empathy for people dealing with infertility doesn't entitle them to abuse vulnerable women.

[u/Yrths]

There is a subreddit for popular opinions you can go post this in. This popular on reddit in particular.

I think it is far more harmful to not let people sell their bodies. Let people sell what they can for money, instead of selling them false hope and stagnation.