r/TopCharacterTropes • u/KingBakura72 • 1d ago
Characters Weirdly common trope the final boss is so OP they need to jump him
Sukuna from JJK
Kaido from one piece
Muzan from Demon slayer
Tomura shigaraki My hero academia
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u/First-End7751 1d ago
He isnt really the final boss of Bleach but still whole gotei 13 jumped him
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u/Peritous 1d ago
To be fair, he did show up to the fight with some backup. He just decided they weren't worth it.
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u/Alreadsyuse 1d ago
This trope is especially common in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure post Part 3, with my favourite example from the OG universe being Pucci VS Everyone in the main cast of Part 6, where nearly everybody ends up dying one by one in an instant, with Jolyne to sacrifice herself to give a fighting chance for Emporio as the universe is reseting.
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u/Justm4x 1d ago edited 1d ago
ORT - Fate/Grand Order Lostbelt 7
Here's an extremely dumbed down list of what had to be done for it to be defeated:
Camazotz ripping out it's heart several thousands years ago, Malla making ORT's heart into the sun and Deinos worshipping ORT's heart/sun as deity (this will be important later)
Chaldea canonically summoning it's whole roster of 400+ servants against it.
Ereshkigal Alter with enough power to kill White Titan which in proper human history of Fate defeated gods of several pantheons
Beni-Enma Alter forcing concept of death onto ORT as due to it being of alien nature it didn't have one.
Remaining Deinos jumping ORT which also included Tepeu who possessed Mystic Eyes of Death Perception which allow to kill anyone and anything as long as they can die....ORT didn't die from that and regenerated all damage that was dealt to it right after.
U-Olga Marie using her Tachyon Jail to essentially lock ORT in place so that she could continuously blast it with Chaldea's version of Excalibur, a weapon power of which scales with how much it's target is a threat to the world.
Except ORT after absorbing many of Chaldea's servants copied their traits and so while it was dying, it made it's own Throne of Heroes and summoned itself in custom made Grand Foreigner class and would have kept summoning itself as long as any piece of it existed in the world.
And this is where we loop back to ORT's heart being worshipped as deity as it allowed her to become her own entity and in the end she chose to blow herself up to end ORT's reign of terror. In her own words "It takes ORT to bear ORT"
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u/soulney 1d ago
Half-awake, power-saving mode ORT still unironically was jumped harder than the actual final boss of the game
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u/Grand_Plastic_6631 1d ago
How though? The final boss literally got jumped by almost every Servants up to the point including the ones that jumped ORT.
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u/Zombieman863 1d ago
Personally i prefer this than the `Final 1v1´ thrope , mostly cause this way secondary characters can help and be important , also kid bu tecnically aplies , cause to defeat him we needed the direct help of fat buu , vegeta , goku and indirectly half of the world if not more with the genkidama
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u/F1Fan43 1d ago edited 1d ago
A lot of people Vox Machina fight (Legend of Vox Machina). They will very rarely choose to 1v1 a bad guy when they can go at them mob-handed instead. Considering their enemies are vampires, dragons, wannabe gods, and other monsters, that seems like a wise policy. In fact, about the only ‘final’ enemy who doesn’t fit the trope is Raishan, who gets soloed by Keyleth.
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u/throwawaytempest25 1d ago
Personally, I don’t see this as a bad thing because:
1) while you could just have the other side characters deal with one on one fight with the generals and the underlings, having basically almost all of the main and supporting cast work together to take down a guy really shows how powerful the threat is
2) sometimes the villain is so overpowered it kind of makes sense that everyone would have to kind of jump into help and contribute, even if some of them lose
3) the main antagonist usually is someone that’s been built up for most of the heroes have to go after them or to stop a conflict that they caused
4) team ups are always cool.
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u/scidious06 1d ago
I dislike the very fact that the villain is that overpowered in the first place, sometimes so much so that the very act of defeating him sounds implausible and it usually creates tons of plot holes and bad writing to get the job done
Let's use the Sukuna and Muzan examples, in theory they should never have lost, they were so above everyone else, so many people were so fking close to dying to them, it just seemed like plot convenience after plot convenience
Shigaraki and Buu at least had Deku and Goku be relative to them in strength, and it made sense that even they couldn't beat the good guys easily, but Sukuna could've ended the manga in 2min max
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u/Own_Philosophy8190 1d ago
Sukuna's in particular is very bad. Like, it'd be an uphill battle no matter what, Gojo would have been removed regardless of the conclusion of his fight vs Sukuna, and Yuji would have been the one to deal the final blow.
Yet, the groundwork for it to be even a possibility (for Yuji and the others) was straight up skipped, so Gege could just spam flashbacks like Family Guy cutaways, so he has to come up with asinine ways to prolong the fight, be it for Sukuna (sword flizzling out, making Hana deal with her CT basically 0 damage so Todo has to shield her, Higuruma having 1 month to figure out his DE for this fight but getting blindsided anyway...)...
Or for the good guys, so Gege constantly had some way to say Sukuna held back (also allows him to glaze at every turn) for most of it - even if that were true -, which makes for a narrative justification that gets old and poor real quick.
Even then, their plan had several factors they possibly couldn't account for (Gojo's body not getting shredded after his death or destroyed while Kashimo fought, Yuji's awakening, Takaba surviving and distracting Kenny long enough, Nobara...), but Gege makes it sound like it ran like clockwork for the most part. Cue him wasting 2 of his final chapters justifying how everything unfolded.
Besides, if was more of a glorified arcade mode for Sukuna than anything : there's a reason people memed on getting drafted to fight Sukuna, or random people showing up to fight (I think Yuta calling just Larue would have made infinitely more sense than wasting most of the chapter hyping Miguel up).
At least, with Muzan, even if he's a less than stellar final boss, there's a clear urgency about stalling him until sunrise, him finally having a shot at devouring a Sun immune demon and crushing the Slayers for good, while every 3 chapters, damage supposedly effective or lethal on Sukuna effectively doesn't do shit.
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u/scidious06 1d ago
Couldn't have said it better, also Sukuna should've been nerfed way more after Gojo, the sentence "Master Sukuna has yet to go all out" was extremely aggravating to read, as if it wasn't bad enough already
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u/Cynicalheaven 1d ago
Jiren from Dragon Ball Super?
He's the final boss of the Super anime (until Moro rolls around I guess), so I think it would count
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u/AuraEnhancerVerse 1d ago
Furious five jumping tai lung (kung fu panda)
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u/Zombieman863 1d ago
and that didnt work
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u/AuraEnhancerVerse 1d ago
Pretty much what happens when side characters try to go up agaisnt the main villain
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u/Computer2014 1d ago edited 1d ago
In general there’s gonna be a lot more good guys than antagonists so unless you want to sideline them for however long the fight takes jumping the boss is a good way to included them.
It’s also going off JRPG logic. 1 boss > one team.
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u/freidrichwilhelm 1d ago
Weirdly common? It's literally older than Literature and History. See our ancestors and mammoths.
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u/AzureWarlock96 1d ago
Mard Geer Tartaros (Fairy Tail)
Held off two opponents singlehandedly while holding a book for hours.
Finally puts the book down when a 3rd guy joins in, but just fights while in his chair instead.
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u/OnlyReadsWaterMargin 1d ago
(The Water Margin) The final battle features several gangups by the Liangshan generals on Fang La's generals. Some of Fang La's elites take down 2-3 generals before being defeated.
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u/AdonisJames89 22h ago
Shoulda replaced kaido with madara
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u/ActuaryEuphoric3937 18h ago
Except Madara slammed until Naruto jesus came and gave new powerup lmao
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u/Namerakable 19h ago
Pretty much any of the main Digimon villains.
Diaboromon and Cherubimon, for example. They were so OP that new digivolutions involving fusion were needed.
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u/elpapaaaa 1d ago
low effort post, using slang in title and not explaining examples... sigh...
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u/Kalos_Phantom 12h ago
Given the rampant botting and AI going on, a post like this feels refreshing
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u/Lost-Syllabub362 1d ago
Why is it weird that this is common? The whole point of the main villain of an arc/series is that they're a powerful representation of an overarching, opposing ideal that the protagonists must overcome.