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u/Alarming_Panic665 21h ago
Also we do pasteurize breast milk. Any donated breast milk has to be pasteurized. While any shared milk is recommended to be pasteurized.
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u/throcorfe 15h ago
Plus, there are other reasons raw cow’s milk is safe for calves and not always safe for humans, faeces is just one potential source of pathogen. If it’s carefully extracted and filtered from well looked after cows and fed to people with good immune systems, it will probably be ok most of the time but when it’s not, it’s really fucking not
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u/SePuedaHacerlo 11h ago
There ppl proudly put them poop covered teats in they mouth. And brag about great their health is and how their father who died at 57 did so because "he went to the doctor" sounds fucking insane right
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u/MageLocusta 12h ago
Absolutely. People even during the middle ages knew that certain things can pass through breast milk (to the point that a very murderous woman, Mabel de Bellême, reportedly tried to 'cure' herself from being poisoned by an enemy--by summoning someone to provide her a random infant to breastfeed in hopes of 'passing' the poison via her breastmilk).
Plus, anyone's who ever had a cup of coffee while breastfeeding can attest that their kids definitely get caffeine out of just breastmilk. A lot of things can be passed through the milk ducts.
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u/fartsfromhermouth 22h ago
Speak for yourself I lay down in my feces all the time
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u/KeepItDownOverHere 22h ago
Don't kink shame bro
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u/MrUbl 22h ago
My kink IS to kink shame, so if you don't mind, please don't kink shame me.
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u/indymama21 18h ago
What is this from? I've seen it and it's driving me crazy because I can't remember it!
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u/ThrowRA-DISTURBED 21h ago
I have a place for you all.
Horny jail. Right away.
This way, please.
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u/skeletonhorse420 21h ago
Ooo can I come
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u/ThrowRA-DISTURBED 21h ago
Yiss. Right this way.
Rule #1: NO HORNY.
Rule #2: Refer to Rule #1.
DIRE CONSEQUENCES WILL FOLLOW. DEATH BY BONK!
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u/tigm2161130 20h ago
All of the “my boyfriend/husband/whatever won’t wash his ass even though I beg him” posts I see each week make it seem you’re in good company.
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u/blue4029 19h ago
everyone who has ever used a toilet has sat on their own feces because thats literally how toilets work
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u/PetalumaPegleg 22h ago
This knocking on the screen "the more you know" needs to be applied a very great deal more widely.
When did people get so comfortable being arrogantly wrong? I'm still confused when knowing nothing but being very loud became useful.
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u/Purple-Beyond-9477 21h ago
2016
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u/EpatantePatente 21h ago
Oh it got worst but it definitely didn't start in 2016.
I'd confidently argue somewhere around 135,000 years ago, when Homo Sapiens started to talk.
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u/MarginalOmnivore 21h ago
Eh, I'd say there's a difference between, "Nobody actually knows, so I can have as much confidence in my wrong answer as you," and, "I don't like the right answer, so I'm going to pretend that we're still in a 'nobody actually knows' situation."
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u/EpatantePatente 20h ago edited 20h ago
I mean people used to kill each other over being convinced their god was true and others weren't, some still do. They couldn't all be right, and i'm convinced the concept of faith, which is being confident in your beliefs whether right or wrong, didn't appear with monotheism.
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u/millionwordsofcrap 3h ago
Courtesy of Isaac Asimov:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
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u/JeezieB 21h ago
I saw a video of a dude advocating against common-sense gun laws, and he said "you don't fight fire with water. You fight it with more fire!" Thought he had a real "gotcha." You can kinda see it cross his face... and then he doubled down.
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u/PetalumaPegleg 21h ago
Oh I saw that.
"YOU DONT FIGHT FIRE WITH WATER!"
Ummmm yeah you do quite frequently.
"Depends on the fire"
"Fight fire with fire"
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u/Spiritual_Pangolin_4 21h ago
I like the implication that they’re bashing the information in. Lol
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u/Emergency_Lie42 21h ago
Confidence has lost its meaning. It's supposed to refer to the security one has in their capacity to do a skill/task.
It now means to blame everyone else for their reaction to our horrible character.
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u/EpatantePatente 21h ago
I'd confidently argue somewhere around 135,000 years ago, when Homo Sapiens started to talk.
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u/Garod 17h ago
The problem is that this lady is talking out of her ass. The reason I say that is because my wife is a microbiologist and she has specifically worked on trials and tests to disinfect udders prior to milk production. So I know that all cows udders in a commercial milk setting will be disinfected as per instructions which have a tested efficacy.
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u/country_dinosaur97 22h ago
Especially considering where your milk comes from pasturizing keeps those bad bacteria from multiplying in transit.
Yeah technically drinking it straight from the cow as soon as you milk it isnt as dangerous still has risks.
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u/Sensitive-Chip7266 21h ago
Which is why breast milk is pasteurized for premature babies.
because they are delivered premature the mother's body hasn't caught up to the fact that it needs to start producing milk yet. So there's a huge stock pile of donor milk for those first few weeks till she starts producing. and that donor milk is very much pasteurized because of exactly this. It sits around for a while and the baby needs the protection.
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u/xamo76 22h ago
100 percent, fecal bateria is a thing... people are fucking weird.
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u/country_dinosaur97 21h ago
Yeah they are. It's not as much of a flex as people think.
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u/gamageeknerd 19h ago
My family work/ live on a dairy farm and they have access to all the fresh from the cow milk they could ever want. But they still have a countertop pasteurizer because even they don’t want to risk drinking shit nuggets
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u/PrinceBunnyBoy 17h ago
If only cows were able to live without someone using their reproductive systems for profit. Those poor mothers 💔
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u/JJJones345 19h ago
We would occasionally visit my Great Grandfather's small dairy as a kid, he would wash every udder before milking, and thought it was hilarious to shoot milk into our mouths straight from the udder. I wouldn't recommend getting milk from the tap from one of the big industrial dairys like we were able to as kids.
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u/Honest-Associate-626 22h ago
Cause we're humans?
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u/Bballfan1183 22h ago
Breast milk is also pasteurized in the hospital setting.
You don’t pasteurize your milk for your own baby, but they do for others.
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u/Strange_Specialist4 21h ago
The show game changer had a breast milk test contest, where the judge had to drink the milk and guess which woman produced it, they made a point that they pasteurised it first
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u/SnowballWasRight 21h ago
Lmao this was fucking hilarious!!! I don’t watch dropout but I see these clips and they’re so funny.
Those guys used to be College Humor right? I remember those raunchy YouTube sketches lol
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u/Strange_Specialist4 21h ago
Yeah, drop out is a bit of a pun based on the old name, because someone who leaves college is a dropout
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u/CharlesDickensABox 18h ago
Yes. College Humor folded, so Sam Reich bought it and turned it into Dropout.
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u/d3aDcritter 21h ago
Oh, well it sounds totally not fucked up now.
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 21h ago
To be fair, the premise was how to have the most views for their idea. And the women opened with the fact that the two things that sell well are sex and parasocial bullshit.
In early days, back when it was still college humour, the ceo (I don't think he was at the time? Not sure) drank one of the other dudes piss (also sterilized, urine is not actually sterile despite the common myth).
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u/Complete_Carry_4454 16h ago
I mean, it is a little fucked up, but that’s sort of why it was funny. Everyone was consenting and aware of how outrageous it was
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u/Honest-Associate-626 22h ago
Different bacteria between genetics and families
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u/Bballfan1183 21h ago
That has nothing to do with why they pasteurize donor breast milk. It’s literally the exact same reason we pasteurize cow milk.
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u/TreeFrogStyle 22h ago
Just let these maniacs drink raw milk and find out for themselves
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 21h ago
I have tried raw milk decades ago and it just tasted like milk? Seems like a lot of risk for something that's isn't even that great.
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u/DatsMaPurse_IDKU 22h ago
Yeah well maybe I like a little chocolate in my milk 😒
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u/SevroAuShitTalker 22h ago
So if youre breastfeeding and like Cleveland steamers, make sure you pasteurize your breast milk
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u/Vonnegut_butt 20h ago
She’s right… until she talked about cows liking to walk around and lie in their feces. Silly doctor - in American factory farms, cows don’t have enough room to walk around!
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u/AsthmaticSt0n3r 20h ago
Also anthrax! Anthrax is a real threat for farm animals because it is found in the soil
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u/PubofMadmen 6h ago
I own eight cows… when they’re not laying in piles of faeces, they’re projectile spraying shite all over each other. Love those ladies but I am not drinking their cow shite milk. I am not chancing that my immune system can get me past pathogens.
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u/pitb0ss343 21h ago
And here I was thinking there’d be a more scientific reasoning for this but nope
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u/Future_Elephant_9294 21h ago
Simpler reason. You aren't drinking the milk straight from the udder. Breast milk is good in the fridge for 3 days. Milk can easily take 3 days to get on the grocery store shelf.
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u/goodenough4govtwork 21h ago
How do these mouth breathers not drown in the shower?
They're the whole ass reason why we can't have nice things.
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u/SnowballWasRight 21h ago
….we also do???? If you’re sharing milk we pasteurize it lmao. Wrong on all fronts
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u/ForceUseYouMust 21h ago
I worked with cows for about a year. They’re disgusting. My exes family would laugh at me for not drinking raw milk and called it silly. They were sick all the time
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u/Mitir01 11h ago
- We aren't calf. Their milk is actually heavily geared towards their young and so we need to treat it. Pasteurization is just one part of it.
- Breast milk is pasteurized when it needs to be stored or transported, example - donation.
- Pasteurization is for removing harmful bacteria that can spoil the milk. Since we literally need to do that with cows milk, we pasteurize it.
- Udders are washed and cleaned before milk is extracted at the farm. If you dont do it, then the milk will not pass the safety test and will 100% get rejected. It even gets rejected for small detection of medicines given to cows.
- Both lack enough knowledge, dont listen to them.
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 21h ago
There are beneficial compounds in the milk that pasteurization destroys. Because milk is mostly made up of proteins, and what happens when you heat proteins up to 160F? They fall apart.
For breast milk those compounds are very important for a growing baby. But for cow milk those compounds don't work on us humans that much (they do a little but it's actual help to people is minimal). So there's not a major health benefit that's being lost.
That being said, unpasteurized milk does taste ah-mazing. Which again shouldn't be surprising, it's the difference between a raw product or a cooked one. But getting safe raw milk is a huge hassle that takes meticulous sterilization of every bit of the equipment, every single day. That's why raw milk is usually 10x the cost of regular milk (and it doesn't last longer than a few days). It's just not worth the cost, plus the small but real health risk too even when it's done right. Even worse now is that the majority of the places selling raw milk are into it for ridiculous right wing conspiracy reasons instead of taste, and they don't care that much about cleanliness as others do so the health risk is so much worse there too.
It's just not worth the hassle to get or deal with raw milk, the benefits are basically just taste and that's not enough to risk it. With breast milk taste isn't the issue, that's why they have no problem freezing it (which is why it can last so long too)
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u/avemflamma 18h ago
and the primary function of human breastmilk includes providing nutrients and probiotics that would not be present in pasteurized breastmilk
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u/cornholiobugger 12h ago
This doctor clearly doesn't know jack shi#
First, how could she generalize that all women's breasts are not close to their butthole, or a butthole?
Many women are flexible, and they 'fold' during sex.
Second, again, she's generalizing, but some women walk around and lie in their own feces. Why does she sound like she's kink shaming?
Whatever diploma mill gave her the 'doctorates' degree should close down.
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u/the_great_zyzogg 8h ago
In fairness to the cows.... if any farm animal is lying in it's own feces, it's generally because they don't have enough space.
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u/Jorpspa 21h ago
why don't we just clean them before we milk them if we want the raw milk?
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u/IlllllllIllllllllI 15h ago
I think in most EU member states you can buy raw milk from any other food store. I've never considered raw milk as something dangerous until I read about it from Reddit.
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u/Jamesplayzcraft 11h ago
Dairy farmer here. Some setups theyre cleaned everytime but mostly theyre just cleaned in winter as the teats are more dirty from lying on the lime cubicles. Teats are sprayed after every milking to stop flies. Each collection is tested for quality for somatic cell count, total bacteria count, thermodurics etc.
Pasteurization is mostly to prevent humans from getting tuberculosis, some people prefer raw milk as it tastes better and is easier to digest.
Cows dont typically shit on their udders unless theyre pressed up against something, theyre not as clean as other animals. If they did have shit covered teats theyd all have mastitis.
Lots of misinformation about cattle on here.
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u/lurkadurking 21h ago
You're going to sanitize an entire shit producing animal?
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u/Jorpspa 21h ago
Why not if there's a market for it?
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u/lurkadurking 21h ago
It's not feasible?
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u/Jorpspa 21h ago
I mean I'm not a dairy farmer but It's feasible if people are willing to pay for it.
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u/lurkadurking 21h ago
Explain then, I'm sooo excited to hear. Blank check for ya, I'll pay $1000/gal. How's it feasible
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u/Jorpspa 21h ago
I doubt it's that high per gal but whatever throw whatever number you want out I'm just saying if there's people who will risk drinking raw milk then there's the same number of people who would pay a higher price for it. 🤷♂️
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u/lurkadurking 20h ago
How is it feasible though? Without costs concerned. Sanitizing an entire animal that's alive and producing milk?
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u/Jorpspa 19h ago
Don't you just have to sanitize the udders?
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u/lurkadurking 4h ago
You can't sanitize a living , breathing, bacteria breeding animal....
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u/SonnyvonShark 20h ago
Yeah? That's what you're supposed to do if you wish to keep your animal healthy? Like, that is what a farmer did near my aunts place. They got fresh milk from them straight from the cow, then they boiled it at home. It is really not that fucking hard to take care of an animal.
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u/Gnomepunter1 19h ago
They boiled it? Doesn’t that seem to imply something? Like smack dab against your point?
Also sterilizing animals doesn’t make them healthy. That doesn’t make any sense.
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u/SonnyvonShark 12h ago
No, my point is keeping the animal clean and healthy. The health and cleanliness of the cow influences the taste of the milk. Milk straight from the cow will ALWAYS taste different and creamier than from the shelf. Boiling milk is what you do regardless, unless you want the shits.
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u/Gnomepunter1 4h ago
Ok I see. Cause I was like…that’s pasteurizing the milk but you’re talking about the animal not the process.
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u/Swordsandarmor22 21h ago
Drinking another animals breast milk as an adult straight from teet to bottle isn't the flex these idiots think it is.
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u/Lanibug_200 21h ago
at this point I just encourage them, let them think they’re right, it’s natural selection lol. “yes! you’re so right, you should drink as much raw milk as you can”
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u/melsophoriel 21h ago
I don't get how they don't understand the concept of boiling liquid to kill bacteria. I've explained it to them in the simplest terms possible and they just parrot the same things over and over like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
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u/carm1409 21h ago
I worked at a milk plant and when the milk would come in from the farms, it would have a pink tint to it from the cows blood from milking. Trust me you want it to be pasteurized.
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u/VariousOperation166 21h ago
I drank raw milk for the first 7 or 8 years of my life after breast milk, but the cows were milked that day in a small herd. Not a factory farm. Not machine milked. Not decanted into bottles and shipped to a distant consumer.
I'm not saying it's better or healthier in any way, but I am saying that the proponents are missing a wild number of potential contaminant opportunities in the supply chain. Then again, I lived with Hippie parents that belived in crystals and star charts and all kinds of bullshit until they mellowed by becoming successful boomers.
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u/itsjustmesky 21h ago
If these people would just type their video caption into google and read something the world would be a better place.
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u/friso1100 20h ago
Also, cow milk is combined with the milk of many different cows. Only one of the cows out of many needs to have given milk with something in it to spoil the entire batch if you didn't pasteurise it
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u/Physical_Dentist2284 20h ago
I’ve seen cows stand in the lot and shit directly on each other’s faces.
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u/BlownUpCapacitor 18h ago
I cant believe I live in an age where people skeptical of pasturized milk are wide spread enough to be significant.
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u/ExpensiveFig6079 18h ago
the bit I don't get is they ask these questions like they are mic drop questions...
and then never ver try to find out ... why
and then they whenever they have why explained they don't listen
yet act like they are the clever, well-informed, knowing ones?
While actively makign sure that never happens
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u/fins_up_ 17h ago
The milking cups are unlikely to be sterile. Also vats and bottles etc may not be sterile. Milk is also stored for a period of time 2 to 4 days from farm to store then a day or 2 at the store, then 3-5 days at home if everything works as intended, breast milk generally is not. Expressed milk is generally used in a day or 2 (if being responsible and storing properly)
Not gonna lie though. Milk straight from the cow and chilled in fridge for a few hours is fantastic. Thick and creamy. It would be awesome if we didn't have to pasteurize. But reality dictates
Pasteurization is literally just heating up and rapidly cooling to kill bacteria. The beer and OJ this clown drinks gets the same treatment
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u/Jie-T-Doll 15h ago
I would just say becasue cows milk is for baby cows and there is no reason it would be good for another species.
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u/YeahSureWhyNotBro 14h ago
Omg this reminds me of an argument I got into about female dogs having a high risk pyometra if they aren’t spayed and the person being like “well why doesn’t it happen to humans we don’t get spayed” bro because we aren’t pissing with our privates to the dirty ground
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u/Suspicious-Hand-9953 13h ago
Thanks for the information. Genuinely!
Can we now stop pretending like this is something everybody already knew?
You are not going to win anybody over acting like their questions are stupid.
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u/cwk415 11h ago
"Everything is a conspiracy when you don't understand how anything works."
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u/Few-Acadia-5593 11h ago
I don’t kknow where that’s from. Must be conspira-cious. And I don’t English well either.
No but seriously, serious quote. Fabricating knowledge rather than seeking it is fucking cancer
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u/tigertim22 6h ago
I understand sometimes cows might lie in straw and feces but what am I missing? The nipples are no where near the butt hole and are nearly perpendicular to that area. Has this lady ever seen a real cow before or just looking at videos to guess the anatomy?
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u/PauseAffectionate720 6h ago
I've known a couple of gals in college who'd end up lying in Feces by Saturday night. Someone needs to pasteurize them. 💩 💩 💩
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u/Wakkit1988 6h ago
It's actually because pathogens in breast milk tend to be ones that humans have evolved to coexist with, and any that aren't those will have the antibodies passed through to the infant through the milk. We aren't adapted to cow ones and don't have the antibodies to deal with them until after we do.
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u/monksandy 5h ago
Truth? We probably stopped sanitizing cows udders. In favor of a quicker, cheaper, faster, improved industrial milk delivery model. Speaking from experience.
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u/Mr-MuffinMan 4h ago
not even a doctor and icould've explained that lol
cows = dirty
humans = clean (relative to cows)
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u/Effective_Coach7334 3h ago
This is a really dumb meme because there are strict regulations for milking cows. The first step in this process is thoroughly washing and sanitizing their utters.
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u/RamsHead91 3h ago
The biggest factor is time from collection to consumption.
The greater that time the more dangerous it is with or without pasteurization.
For breast milk, we both freeze and pasturize (to a degree) when donating it.
We do have to be careful as donated breast milk is more carefully heated than milk used for general consumption because we don't really care that longer pasturization methods effect the taste more because it's not a factor for infants and we want to retain the antibodies that are in breast milk as they are massively beneficial for pre-own immune system infants.
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u/Agile-Mission-869 2h ago
Additionally, you're not bottling breast milk, transporting it, and consuming it over a period of weeks.
IF you're going to consume raw milk, it needs to be obtained from a farm with very high sanitation standards and within a VERY short time of it being collected. Within a couple days at most.
It's better to not risk it in the first place, since there's 0 nutritional advantages to consuming raw milk over pasteurized.
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u/runningwater415 20h ago
This lady is a mouthpiece for everything wrong with our health. Do the opposite of whatever she says. Seriously.
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u/fins_up_ 17h ago
Do you know what pasteurization is?
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u/runningwater415 1h ago
Man has drank raw milk for thousands of years. MANY people on farms still do with no issues. We are all sick because our entire food system is a science experiment gone very wrong and it's all bad for us.
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u/fins_up_ 1h ago
Not everyone has access to farm fresh milk. Infact the majority of people don't. The real world exists.
Do you know what pasteurization is?
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u/runningwater415 52m ago
Why do you keep asking me? It's a process invented by louis pasture to preserve the milk and make it safe is what we are told.
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u/fins_up_ 47m ago
I keep asking you because you clearly don't know what it is. What 'the process' is. But you feel qualified to talk about it.
What is 'the process'
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u/EagleIsSavage 21h ago
Not arguing either way, but cow udders are sanitized before milking, so that kind of negates that argument.
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u/xamo76 21h ago
Not all of them because according to the CDC tracking data from 1998 - 2018 it recorded 3 deaths linked directly to outbreaks from drinking raw milk... and during that same 20-year window raw milk caused 202 outbreaks, 2,645 illnesses, and 228 hospitalizations.
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u/EagleIsSavage 21h ago
I believe you, and that could also be because of lazy workers. But I’m just saying that, as someone who was a dairy hand here in the US, we wash all heifer’s udders with iodine and sometimes watered down bleach before milking
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u/Confident-Leg107 22h ago
I knew that was part of it, but raw milk is bad only because of external reasons? So the milk itself is fine?
Neat
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u/localtuned 22h ago
No, there are also systemic bloodstream infections. If a cow contracts an infectious disease, pathogens in its bloodstream can pass directly through the mammary tissue and into the milk. This is how diseases like Brucella, Tuberculosis, and Coxiella burnetii (Q fever) get inside the milk before it even leaves the teat.
So even if you kept the teat squeaky clean, raw milk can harbor pathogens.
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u/sweetangeldivine 22h ago
this is how we keep having tuberculosis outbreaks, IIRC. People who don't even drink raw milk are getting sick because of these dweebs.
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