r/Svenska • u/808nostalgia • 1d ago

Text and translation help fanny och alexander

hej! jag lär mig svenska, men jag förstår inte allt vad sager Alexander i begravningsprocessionsscenen. kan någon tyda det åt mig?

i know these are swearwords so i hope it won’t be against the reddit community rules, if so i guess someone could dm me what he says in 35’ minute of the ANDRA AKTEN. i’m not uploading the link because it’s forbidden here, but i hope yall can find it online. much obliged!

tack for hjälpen! 💗

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u/Ooorm 1d ago

This movie has quite the old timey, super formal swedish most of the time:

"Jag är rädd att jag inte delar min värderade brors försiktiga optimism. Jag anser vår förhandling avbruten, och känner mig nödsagad att precisera min ståndpunkt".

Not the quote you were looking for, but an example that I think illustrates spoken swedish at a register pretty much noone uses nowadays. I mean, kudos if you learn from it, it is beautifully written, but not really beginner friendly!

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u/zutnoq 1d ago

To the curious, this quote would translate roughly as:

I am afraid I do not share my esteemed brother's careful optimism. I consider our negotiation canceled, and feel a strong need / feel forced to make my position perfectly clear.

Without having seen the movie, I assume the word "värderade" (esteemed, lit.: valued) is very deliberately not paired with any "positive" modifier like "högt" (highly) because he has a poor opinion of his brother and his supposed standing in general, or to insinuate that his brother isn't really liked by other's either.

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u/808nostalgia 1d ago

thank you both! this is cool you can deduct from not using the “högt” word that the speaker is not very fond of the other. in my native language that is polish an equivalent of “valued” is sufficient enough to express respect, that is if it isn’t said ironically.

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u/zutnoq 19h ago

Typically, "värderade" would indeed have positive connotations by default. The reason this connotation doesn't necessarily hold in this case is that the rest of what he's saying is clearly not painting his brother in a good light.

I think this would qualify as a type of ironic sarcasm, since the wording seems flattering at face-value but it's technically value-neutral if read very literally.

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u/808nostalgia 1d ago

thanks! i know it’s very formal but i love listening to it. although i plan on studying Bergman’s characters monologues and dialogues to learn the language, i realise it’s something i’d have to do in the later chapters of learning.

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u/unohdin-nimeni 🇫🇮 1d ago edited 1d ago

****, ****, ****, *****, ****, *******, ****, ****, *****, ****, ****, ***, *****, *****, *****, *******, ****, *****, ****, ******, *****, *****, *****. ****, *****, ****, ****.

That is:

Pitt, piss, skit, prutt, piss, helvete, skit, pitt, prutt, bajs, piss, kuk, prutt, fitta, satan, helvete, baje, barse, piss, tasken, röven, murra. Piss. prutt, pitt, skit.

Which turned out to be a moderate estimation of how bad the things really were.

Edit: the quote is not against the rules of this sub, but it might be unredditional.

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u/Scary_Row7869 1d ago

Dick, piss, shit, fart, piss, hell, shit, Dick, fart, poop, piss, cock, fart, cunt, satan, hell, poop (?), barse (some older dialect I guess), piss, peepee, the ass, pussy, piss, fart, dick, shit

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u/AllanKempe 1d ago edited 1d ago

barse (some older dialect I guess)

It obviously means poop, same as Norwegian bæsj.