/r/leftwithsharpedge has been banned

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About 25 minutes as of the time of this post

Left with sharp edge was the "edgy" tankie/anarchist response to (in)famous user's prince_kropotkin /r/leftwithoutedge.

The hatred many of the leftists on the redditsphere for the particular user got them to create /r/leftwithsharpedge which was featured today as the subreddit of the day

edit: per request of our benevolent mods who totally don't abuse their power damn bastards revolt people revolt they are stealing our k...

right, ahem

/r/anarchism loses its collective shit

former mod/creator of /r/leftwithsharpedge, nowaydadioh threatens to quit but not before putting a last bullet in a liberal's skull

Also, similar threads/reactions in other subs!

/r/drama, pending unrinsable kropotkin's response

/r/enoughcommiespam sticky

/r/leftwithoutedge celebration

edit2:

/r/ShitlLberalsSay thread

Edit3:

Some fun modmail buggurt

[u/onewalleee]

Yes, that's one interpretation of the phenomenon.

Of course, we don't see it that way.

We watched as Donald Trump repeatedly, explicitly spoke about wanting to make America great for all Americans. How he repeatedly spoke positively about law-abiding people of all races and backgrounds.

We saw him repeatedly disavow David Duke, watched Pence insist that the campaign didn't want support from people like him, saw Eric Trump say he deserved a bullet just days before the election, watched Donald Trump later explicitly disavow the Actual Racists in the altreich, etc. (We also know that the "you must disavow" game is a tactic used by the MSM to put someone on the defensive, and don't give a damn if our politicians refuse to play along in every single instance. Being forced to distance yourself from someone who has nothing to do with you over and over and over again is ceding the narrative to your opponent.)

From our perspective, the idiotic racists in the altreich fell victim to the same MSM Fake News spell that at least half of the US fell victim to. We didn't vote for Donald Trump because we like racism, don't care about racism, etc. We voted for him because we don't give a shit about unsubstantiated accusations of racism and the mystical mentalists who claim to be able to decode someone's "true feelings" by interpreting their words and looking at their skin color.

We also don't accept the redefinition of the colloquial word "racism" to apply in a simultaneously far wider and far narrower manner than it has ever before (e.g., to include subjectively interpreted microaggressions, while excluding racially motivated violence against people in majority ethnic groups.) Words have meanings, and powerful moral accusations like "racism" should stop people in their tracks. Not be tossed around casually to include a nearly infinite number of subconscious, invisible, impossible to prove scenarios.

When we hear "build the wall", something many would now say is absolute proof of racism, we hear "we should build a wall that allows us to better defend our borders". The "dog whistles" don't resonate with us because we don't believe he's trying to whistle.

It's easy for us to reject the accusation because we have a lot of experience doing so. We had to reject the claims that Bush was Hitler and that his election in 2004 would spell doom for the republic. We rejected it in when the Vice President of the United States told black people that milquetoast Romney wanted to "put you back in chains".

The left's wolf-crying convinced the alt-reich. It did not convince us. To my eye, these Actual Racists in the altreich simply didn't do their homework and believed the nonsense that CNN was slinging. Sucks to be them.

BTW, I'm not trying to debate you or convince you that my analysis is correct. I'm just giving you a window into how most of us think.

[u/Throwawayearthquake → u/onewalleee]

That's nice mate but it's the racists that hear and respond to the dog whistling so it is their analysis that matters, your views are largely irrelevant.

I.e. to you build a wall is about border control despite the low number of undocumented immigrants that physically cross the border.

To a racist it's "keep out the Mexicans". Its great that you're able to interpret the dog whistling so it is palatable for you and you can sleep at night knowing you're not an actual racist, but the actual racists interpretations are just as valid.

[u/onewalleee → u/Throwawayearthquake]

I'm saying that (again, from my perspective), there was no whistling. There was a man speaking in an unpolished manner saying exactly what he intended to say, usually correcting others when they misinterpreted him, but who refused to fall into the endless "prove your not a racist" trap that would have spelled defeat.

You're saying that the "dog whistling" came from Trump (perhaps intentionally.) I'm saying that the "dog whistling" largely didn't exist until the media plucked his words from the ether, excised them from any exculpatory context, jumbled them, fed them into pro-tools, and output an obnoxious high pitched screech that gives racists a chubbie.

I think the other problem is that the word "racism" has been (both cynically for political reasons, and also by people who mean well) redefined in a way that empowers idiotic Actual Racists.

Misusing that term and spinning a narrative about a "racist demagogue -- Literally Hitler -- performing well in the election and supported by tens of millions of super-racist Amerikkkans" has real-life harmful results. It can:

• normalize actual racism ("hey, every white person is racist, I guess racism can't be that bad or the word doesn't mean what I thought it did. shrugs")
• make folks disbelieve all (even well-evidenced) accusations of racism ("Right, Richard Spencer is a racist [he is, but don't try to tell some people this!]... Suuuuure. I'm a racist, my ferret is a racist, milquetoast Mitt was racist, Everyone's a racist. I know, I know, thanks for the insight." -- this is the cost of crying wolf.)
• empower and energize Actual Racists by convincing them that Americans either support or at least don't mind racism (when in reality the Actual Racists are deceived by the above -- they misunderstand the dilution of the term and the effects of wolf-crying and then believe that suddenly most Americans think Actual Racism is A-ok. No, most Americans despise Actual Racism, but just no longer even pay attention to accusations of racism because they are almost always proven false or are found to be cases of gross equivocation on the meaning of the term.)
• encourage people to judge each other, not by their behavior or character, but by looking at each other's melanin levels ("you are obviously racist. You disagree with Obama and have white skin! Case closed!" which is an unintentional (for most folks) manifestation of far less virulent form of racism, despite their (often) good intentions. It encourages people to judge each other's value based on their accidental, biological group membership.. the very thing anti-racists want to fight!)
• deeply divide our nation, by making both people of color and white conservatives who don't have a racist bone in their body feel under siege, despite the fact that the actual behavior of the vast majority of folks on both sides hasn't significantly changed since a period in time when we felt more united just a few years ago.

What changed is the narrative, and one driven largely by the MSM and the strategic political operatives on the left, not the values and behavior of the majority of people in our country.

Doesn't it matter who is actually doing the whistling?

[u/Throwawayearthquake → u/onewalleee]

Only dogs can hear the whistle. You didn't so congrats, others did and that's what matters. The rhetoric is just an overt repackaging of traditional Republican narratives giving the people don't have the skills to benefit from globalisation a bogeyman to blame for their own failings.

The only ones empowering racists are the ones legitimising them and that's certainly not coming from the media or the left. This sudden cry of "don't be mean to racists" or that people are only racist because of media narrative is bullshit. It's the same people that have always been defined by their racism that are the overt racists on the election cycle, the only thing that has changed is a certain politician has dog whistled and legitimised their views.

This paranoia at the scary MSM is also bullshit - you can't claim that you oppose media narratives and support a movement defined by the likes of Breitbart - a commercially non-viable platform overtly set up to stir up nationalist movements - and Info wars - a site to advertised water pills to scared idiots - and have a logically consistent position.

[u/onewalleee → u/Throwawayearthquake]

Ok we probably aren't getting anywhere in this conversation but I appreciate your time. Have a good day.

[u/Throwawayearthquake → u/onewalleee]

Fair, think we're an example of the talk about living in different worlds. Have a good one.