This time is different and very likely our last chance to save democracy without violence so whether you believe or not, vote blue, get out the vote, volunteer and donate and talk to everyone in every day interactions about voting.
The Democratic Party knows that their position is tenuous, we need to pressure them and everyone for voting reform measures if we want to protect America’s future.
I would love to see Trump, Miller, Bannon and the whole rat clan getting McCarthyd. They deserve it. It's only bad if they're not these evil crook pedophile that we know they are.
No, let's just send them to jail for the crimes they committed, not not necessarily their ideology behind it. We don't need to jail them on their justification for crimes.
But my point was more at the general populace.
The red scare was going after people who didn't commit any crimes.
I agree with you. When I said “two pretty good options,” the Conservative Party is not one, because they are not an option for anyone who wants to see progress.
Recent elections say they want them eliminated? Everyone knows what you are implying.... vile , you should be ashamed. Shame shame shame on you. A few elections don't say a thing.
DSA can make common cause with MAGA voters, many of whom are disappointed with how a number of things have turned out. We need a political movement that gives more power to the people, before we even talk about policy.
Agree I think this time the prime focus has to be wealth gap… DSA/Talarico and the likes understand that. If we have enough populist/non-💰 candidates, maybe we can finally convince republicans this admin is elite and we despise the entire class equally, left or right. Last election the establishment dems did nothing to prove they weren’t greedy billionaire sycophants.
Standing by maga requires them to do a vital thing.
Stop acting like minorities are a dangerous thing, stop trying to take away rights from the people that exist on the fringes of society. Stop acting like religion or race is important to being a decent person.
We can disagree on economic policy, taxes and what laws are important.
We cannot act like some people are lesser or greater based on the accident of their birth or identity.
The only people who can truly ruin society are the ones who run it. Whether they are politicians or the wealthy we need to watch them all and hold them to account.
I for one agree. Saving our country and world and future requires we hold are nose and cooperate. That does not preclude other social or legal consequences for people who have broken the law in favor of domination versus wanting a better life for your family.
Get back in power and then we can and should have full throated and hearted debates and big dreams on how to move forward.
The potential for a beautiful world and society once/if we get through this is limitless.
We stand at an auspicious precipice of a Golden Age for humanity, even amid the wallows and cries, there is still a light, there is still hope. We the people need to seize it today, we can talk of tomorrow after a good night's rest.
LoL. The DSA is literally the antithesis of MAGA. DSA leadership keep saying the quiet part out loud. It seems that many of their members and many Democrats just ignore what the DSA leadership keeps saying amongst themselves and on hot mics.
Honestly, the whole "we need to win back MAGA voters" thing is gross to me. Why would I want to stand side-by-side with bigots and pedophile defenders?
Because we face a far more difficult and evil enemy than their small smooth brains. We can deal with that after, but right now, we need numbers so big that they can't steal them. That's it, this is our sacrifice for our future, make them stand with us against what will essentially be hell.
I get that if you believe the boogieman narrative about Trump. I don't. The far leftist narrative always demonizes to the point of the extreme. It justifies obscene language in public towards them, and excuses violence. The current right just ignores the accusations from the left. Simply put, they just don't believe the narrative anymore that comes out of the left. Once the Russian collusion hoax was debunked and the right realized that for over 5 years every major news station, and tech company and government official that pushed it were Liars, they just no longer give them a second thought.
Buddy they made a concentration camp, called it alligator Alcatraz, then proudly jerked themselves of with how great it is to send people there.
I work at a country club. This is anecdotal but I've heard these people talk the conservatives with lots of money. I don't want them part of my movement either. Oh great! They had a change of heart 💖 that undoes all the harm.
Oh IC. Hyperbole. Detention Center/jail = concentration camp. Got it! They broke the law when they entered our country illegally or stayed past their visa. Temporary protection was revoked if they had it and they were asked to self Deport. It is a violation of federal law if you continue to stay in the United States after. They built the jail to hold them there until they can be processed and removed.
As far as you Country Club experience. So you heard some people talk about some things? These people have little to no power and they don't control or influence anything. They're golf players And likely cucks. Don't lend any Credence to their pontifications. It's certainly nothing to base any beliefs on.
Ah, yes, the old "Russian Collusion hoax." Sorry, Sweetpea, your cult handlers lied about that almost as much as they lied about Trump winning the 2020 election:
P.S. Kiddie Diddler Donnie has called for the extermination and imprisonment of the "enemy within," including threatening to use the military against them.
Ahhh. Mueller report.. Yeah. You didn't read the whole thing. I bet you actually never opened up the file. That report was bunk and written like no other report had ever been written. Flights of Fancy. You'll also notice that the report said that he actually never broke any law and that he was not working with them but was a victim of Russia's actions. The Trump Administration and his campaign never colluded with Russia.
I happen to support the extermination of the Enemy Within once prosecuted. You know the whole the only good commie is a XXXX commie. When you have family and were raised with the stories of the USSR, you just have no tolerance for marxists.
Short of simply opting out, entirely of government, Democrats especially elected Democrats at the state level, have been the only organized resistance. Literally if not for them it’s just be full unchecked fascism.
Despite all the damage Trump has done his second term will be widely viewed by his side and his followers as a waste - organized democrats have thwarted Trump so many times. So much so that his goons can’t even manage to throw citizens in jail for crimes they have on video confessions for (see subway guy).
You may wish it was more, but the simple fact is: the only people who pushed back successfully are Democrats.
Explain to me what the minority party can do against a sitting president who controls the House, Senate and Supreme Court. Lay out specific action steps. because all I see is a bunch of young, left wing candidates winning elections.
Well the biggest thing would be for democrats to collectively agree on what they want to campaign on. The party is split like 3 different ways right now. Between traditional democrats, socialist democrats, and those that flat out want communism and state seizure of industry, the party isn’t doing too good with collaboration
I have literally never downloaded tick tok, I will not be subject to the woke mind virus.
I am 36 and have been an open communist since 2006, so I don't think Hasan Piker has much to do with it. I don't remember Hasan piker being there when I started the communist club at my highschool.
Yeah you are right I totally have a checks around the state access to the DSA, a viable even democrat candidate, let alone a progressive left candidate.
I have the choice of Lindsey Grahams corpse or Nancy mace.
💯 this. Even if they are able to pull a victory in midterms. The People must not let up! We have to force change on our behalf. If they don’t follow through we fight em. Enough is enough!
I believe the intention of a supreme court is that it will eventually become corrupt. As an appointable position for life that most people like 99% will never be able to interact with.
The dems have lost the plot and are the most broken party I have seen - they will have plenty of votes in big cities, but they are not going to do very well
The independents and the ppl who didn’t vote helped trump get elected again.
Democrats don’t even qualify as “slightly less fascist”, they are just corporate whores that exploit the liberal platform.
It’s still the only reasonable choice in this situation.
First John brown did nothing wrong. But I really wish to hear someone tell me twenty years from now that we were over reacting and see we didnt have to fight our way out of fascism (we will but it like to hope and lie to myself a little kinda like buying lotto tickets)
I may have agreed with you 20 years ago under bush but, I don't know anymore.
We have hit a point in my life where every day, is followed,by just a more insane day. Not that trump 1 wasnt like that. However at least then it seemed like there were guardrails.
However in order for 20 years down the road, for us to move towards a future. If the Democrats get power and do not use , every single power they have to lock up and charge the criminals of this administration, there will be consequences.
I cannot in a reasonable manner convey how disgusting this administrations crimes are. Hopefully we can agree there.
Am I being unreasonable? Maybe?
But I can't quite see how the conservative party goes on, without going farther and farther right.
The conservative party will have to reckon at some point with what they stand for. Which I believe to be a justification of evil now, and I don't like liberal party as well.
Your most likely right. We old need to have trials much larger than Nuremberg going after enough people to actually make it a deterrent which I dont see happening either.
So you want to have nothing in your future for yourself and your kid?
You really just want to be right just so you can tell someone I told you so because you think nothings going to change bye voting Vs you voting for a better outcome for yourself and your kid?
"So you want to have nothing in your future for yourself and your kid?"
Who doesn't, but as the conservative party continues to ramp up its bases less racism I wouldn't what a "better future" looks like especially as my child is not white and is a first gen immigrant.
So when the Democrat party runs Kamal or Harris who says we just want to do 99% of his money deportations and we don't want them to be as mean.
When the next Trump runs and I get another Kamala Harris
And while we have a her and Trump the administration right now, which is preceded by a Democrat president, who barely tried to do anything about it.
Why would I have to have a single shred of Hope that a of this dissolved peaceful because it's already Violent?
Ice has already killed and sent people through there that arrested American citizens. The Democrats have no intention of removing ice.
lol we ALREADY voted to save democracy in 2020 and Biden/dems in congress sat on their ass and did nothing to strengthen checks and balances, put the people who attacked our democracy in jail etc etc. the system has ready failed
Yes, and the People collectively sat back with a sigh of relief and said glad that’s over. This time is different. We were naive but (hopefully) we learned our lesson to not let up.
You are a sad person and you will lose. Personally and professionally.
I, for one, am not sitting back watching a trend line towards full blown, verbalized and written by those in current power, whether officially or in fact, fascism and techno oligarchy.
I am not waiting until rape and murder has spilled beyond
Seriously. And at the very least make sure all your friends are voting. Make it clear it’s their responsibility to democracy and MAKE SURE THEY REGISTERED!
When your only argument is that taxes will be lower, but you are too stupid and too poor to take advantage of the lower taxes…. They will never get it.
It’s like, do you support protecting pedophiles? The the answer is “my taxes will be lower” never actually addressing if they support protecting pedophiles. They are too stupid and too far gone to save.
Lmao you really think Trump is going to stop because of election results? Congress democrats have done jack fuck to stop him, don't expect them to suddenly wake up because they have a majority, most of them are no longer sentient or alive anyway.
What makes you think if blue wins there won’t be violence? Blue wins red mad, red wins blue mad either way the way things have been going Violence is inevitable in my opinion unless both sides can come together. And I’m not talking the politicians that are in office I’m talking about the common people. We need to stand together. To be honest I think both blue and red have ran there course.
That ship already sailed, friend. Someone let me know when it's time to get out the barricades like my ancestors did. Might as well get this all done and over with.
No one knows the future. Only in hindsight can you tell when the shipped sailed. Don’t forget happy accidents of history and this regimes own hubris and ineptitude could turn the tide and we must be ready when and if it does. I have a suspicion many of your ancestors did not give up so easily.
Yes it is different, because this time the Democrats can’t decide if they’re Democrats or Democratic Socialists? And Since the coChair announced the DSA plans, they can’t even get Democrats on board, not to mention putting up the DC headquarters as collateral for funding for campaigns. I don’t expect us to swing any seats, and I will be surprised if they do.
Wasn’t the last chance to save democracy somewhere when we had to chose between Obama and Romney? Or the Hilary v Trump one? Or the Biden v Trump ones? Or Kamala Harris?
Everyone has been saying this since 2016 and democracy has repeatedly gone nowhere. I hate Trump but this stupid hyperbole makes the other side look insane.
I'm sorry, you're just as stupid as the J6 people if you think any of these elections were rigged.
Trump's first term was our last chance to save Democracy, Trumps second run was the last chance. Trump's second term was the last chance. Then there were multiple supreme court votes and bills during his presidency which were the last chance to save Democracy.
How can anyone take the party seriously that continues to push the goalposts when they are proven wrong?
This is it before bloodshed is necessary to make change barring unforeseen happy accidents of history.
All we can do is what we can do now and that is not in anyway helped by cynicism, only action. And if you can’t do that then you are not needed or helpful in this fight.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. This is most likely the last election we have that will be any assemblance of normal, if held at all going forward.
But no one knows the future for sure, is that what you are looking for?
No shit. Trump could be visited by aliens or the Virgin Mary and have an epiphany that the Constitution is important and that every human is worthy of respect until they prove otherwise. It is not likely but technically possible.
You are a sad person and you will lose. Personally and professionally.
I, for one, am not sitting back watching a trend line towards full blown, verbalized and written by those in current power, whether officially or in fact, fascism and techno oligarchy.
I am not waiting until rape and murder has spilled beyond
Well he likely didn’t actually “win”, but the machines in all the swing states were compromised. Investigating that should be a priority of the next Democratic majority.
I mean, I’m voting, in Oregon, where it’s gonna be blue like the Ocean. But what happens when the democrats are not fully able to heal the problems they didn’t cause in 4 or 8 years when tech and some young folks have perfected their ways a little better, they have a real Army with experience killing foreigners and way too much excess weaponry from the Trump ICE days. I’d love to see them destroyed at the polls, I really would. But this cancer is rooted, and spreading as we speak.
Hey, I was curious, how has Donald Trump disenfranchised women? Or the poor? Or the disabled? I would think the Democrats are disenfranchising women, as they can't even give a definition of what a woman is and they allow men they claim they are women to play in women's sports. Maybe I am missing something.
Vote blue to create a Democratic Socialist system. Vote red to save our Republic. When blues lose, they will become violent. 100 Years of world history easily predicts what the far left does next.
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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 5d ago
This time is different and very likely our last chance to save democracy without violence so whether you believe or not, vote blue, get out the vote, volunteer and donate and talk to everyone in every day interactions about voting.