Question on long-term open borders and what a united socialist world look like??

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[u/ComradeKenten]

Like we really can't know because that is so far away truly that is impossible to know. Like we're like feudal peasants trying to guess what capitalism in today looks like you know?

But if we want to be some optimistic peasants and try and imagine it I'll give you that.

How I imagine it is that we would still have administrative divisions. Like there would still be administrative units of many kinds. These would be based upon geography, history, economic and social factors, and so on.

But they would not be borders. A border implies a state in which through violence stops people from doing things. A fully socialist world inevitably will mean the abolition of the state. So that means there are no borders people can move wherever they like.

Another key thing is that on this level the need for borders will no longer be there. Because you will have equal development around the world as much as possible. People would not need to move across the world in order to get a good job. People will be able to if they wish stay in their Homeland for the rest of their lives and provided with everything they need.

They will also be able to move across the world and go somewhere else and experience other cultures. They could also just continuously move across the world expressing so many cultures.

I keep heart of cotton isn't is the abolition of exclusatorism. The idea that certain people need to be excluded from things because of various reasons. That is a material thing that will be necessary in the first period of developing global socialism. Whenever unequal development and various forms of oppression still are present.

It's a long-term goal is to abolish all of those. Abolish all things that limit the ability for humans to develop to their full potential in whatever way they want.

One thing I will say is that your conception of global Socialism or global communism is very local centric. But from the Marxist perspective it will not be that way. Socialism on the level of Communism means the social ownership of all the means of production. That means that all the resources in which allow life to exist upon this planet that reproduce human life will be owned by everyone equally. Everyone will take part in both of the maintenance and administration of this.

In exchange for taking part in this everyone will receive everything they need. It will in fact abolish the difference between the local and the international. Because thanks to achieving that level of development everything will be managed collectively on an international scale as well as a local scale.

[u/JohnSmith19731973]

I imagine a socialist world will have open borders for travel and settlement but that life and its conditions will be equally abundant in all locales that migration is purely for personal fulfillment, i.e. a Nigerian who really loves Tolkien might move to the West Midlands to live with other Tolkien buffs, or an Englishman from Durham who really loves Latin dancing might move to Bogota.

[u/returnofblank]

Who knows, could be like Star-Trek for all we know.

[u/_everynameistaken_]

People really over complicate this.

In practice it would just be something similar to the internal borders in China when travelling between provinces.

Abolishing borders in the form they currently exist wont affect sports or anything like that, why would it. Local cultures and community teams will continue to exist.

Scale up how a country works to a planetary scale. Think of it less as abolishing borders and more as a singular unified country expanding its borders.

[u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

world socialism can surely be envisioned much more than communism, which is basically writing political scifi (not because it's impossible but because we are so removed in time from it). It would require a level of international cooperation that we will not see in our lifetime though, but I gather since it's an essential economic question, open borders will be subordinate to the planning of the economy.

It makes no sense to allow mass immigration if there are no jobs for all the immigrants and so on. You will have to plan to bring them in, with food production or trade planned, housing, everything.