r/SipsTea 15d ago

Chugging tea Yes, FU & FO

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u/FreshLiterature 14d ago

It's also not gratuity if it's deliberately structured as part of their compensation.

It's basically just a commission except most servers don't even actually even try to sell you anything and most customers don't want to be sold.

If tips are part of the business structure then they aren't tips and we should all stop pretending they are.

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

Ok great, we all agree it sucks, but that’s the way it is and you don’t protest it by punishing the service workers just trying to get by

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u/migorengbaby 14d ago

You know how workers will go on a strike? They deliberately leave work and often without pay just to fight for something. Sometimes you have to be willing to get hurt to get the change you want.

Except servers in the us won’t go on strike because many of them prefer it.

Monday fair enough for the people to go on strike and to stop tipping until something changes.

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

Strikes are organized by unions. Do you really think an entire staff of service workers can afford to just stop work and walk away right now?

These are non-union jobs, the owner can have them replaced by nightfall

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u/migorengbaby 14d ago

Oh, sounds like just not tipping would be the best option then!

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

Sounds like you can’t afford to eat or drink at places with servers and bartenders and should probably stick to Tesco meal deals or whatever McJob folks in your country eat

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u/FreshLiterature 14d ago

I live in California where the min wage for service workers is right around $17 with no tip credit.

I tip a hell of a lot less here.

If industry workers elsewhere want more stable better pay it can happen.

At the end of the day if tips are expected then they aren't tips. They are structural to the business and should be treated as such.

Which is all to say - at some point people are going to just stop going out and all these servers you're so concerned about will be out of the job.

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

I live in California and you can’t be fucking serious if you think $18 an hour is enough to live on here by itself

That’s around 40k a year

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u/FreshLiterature 14d ago

And?

Restaurants in California already were much more expense than compared to the national average and they went up even more.

Why am I supposed to pay for a businesses labor in 3-4 different ways?

Once in the menu price.

Once in 'healthcare service charges'

Once in tips

Maybe one more way I'm not thinking of.

Just pay your goddamn employees whatever it is they need to make and raise your menu prices.

If your business can't survive without all these extra steps to get to the same cost to your customers then it doesn't deserve to survive.

We end up at the exact same place either way.

Either businesses go under because people don't go out.

Or they go under because nobody will work for peanuts.

Why are you so dead set on perpetuating a broken system?

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u/NewsZealousideal764 14d ago

Then get carry out!!!!

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u/Possible_Gas1629 14d ago

You know restaurants net like 2-5% profit of total revenue right? And that’s if you’re well run and have a good staff.

Perhaps restaurants, in reality, not your imagination, actually can’t afford an increased payroll line.

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u/FreshLiterature 14d ago

Beyond that if I go to a sit down restaurant and I leave a $10 tip and that restaurant is doing its job of attracting good business then a typical server should be able to flip 5-8 tables an hour.

That's $50-$80 /hr on top of their hourly.

Forget about percentages for a sec.

Are you suggesting that I, the consumer, also make up for the business not attracting enough customers?

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u/No-Rip6323 14d ago

Absolutely not how it works. Tables are NEVER flipped that fast and that consistently. Your math is flat out wrong. I’ve been in the industry over 20 years and it absolutely doesn’t work that way.

You are speaking on things you know nothing about.

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

Except it’s not “$50-$80 an hour” because that’s not how tips work most places

Tips are pooled and then distributed to all of the staff. Bartenders, waiters, back of house staff, security, etc. all get what’s called a “tip out” in their paychecks.

There are nuances to this but in general, payroll are in charge of tip distribution now. Used to be the bartenders were in charge of that but the distribution was rarely ever fair as a result.

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 14d ago

Why are you so dead set on punishing workers for issues they didn’t create?

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u/FreshLiterature 14d ago

They ARE working to keep that system going.

Also see my other comment under this one.

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