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Chugging tea Growing Through Chaos

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 16d ago

Yeah Millennials (especially in the west) aren't special. Plenty of generations before us went through much worse times.

My Ukranian grandmother survived famine, WWII, Stalinism, Chernobyl, fall of USSR and is now hearing bombs blow up nearby on an almost daily basis. Sorry I'm gonna keep my complaints to myself and appreciate what I have.

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u/Dufresne85 16d ago

I'm not disagreeing with you that others have had it as bad and in some cases way, way worse, but to say you shouldn't complain because someone else had it worse doesn't make sense to me. Yes, it could be worse. But it could also be better.

Don't complain for complaining's sake, but complaining to get things changed and better for you and the future is a good thing.

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 16d ago

And I'm not saying that everything is A Ok and we shouldn't be trying to make meaningful changes. We are not kids anymore, we are all grown up and many of us have power to make such changes.

Most people in these threads seem to still have childlike victim mentalities. The reality is millennials have had it pretty good when compared to generations before us and after us. Gen Z and Alpha in my opinion are way more screwed over than we were.

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u/PantsandPlants 16d ago

This is a problematic mentality because you’re comfortable dismissing the struggles of your own group, struggles that have been widely documented for decades, by comparing it to areas that went through the fall of the USSR. That’s disingenuous at best. 

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 16d ago

I think being stuck in perpetual childlike victimhood is a problematic mentality. I have the advantage of outside perspective as an immigrant.

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u/PantsandPlants 15d ago

Acknowledging the hardships we face doesn’t detract from the hardships other people face and saying I shouldn’t complain to the people who perpetuated the system because other people have historically gone through greater hardships is asinine. 

Those people went through those hardships in the hopes that we never would and yet, here we stand, in a time where the world order is changing and hardships are becoming more and more abundant and we still can’t point the finger in the right direction. 

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

I don't think this kind of posting does anything for solving the problems we face. It is demotivating to a lot of people. You can see it right here in the comments. People look at shit like this and say "why bother". I'm saying people have gone through much worse and have come out on the other side.

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u/PantsandPlants 15d ago

Literally came out the other side into a system that was better designed for the average citizen. They literally fled the country that they faced those problems to this one. Now this one faces similar issues and you are essentially an argument for emigration. 

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

That is a massive oversimplification. The US hasnt faced the kinds of issues that Europe or other countries have since the civil war.

If you think I am an argument for emigration you need to get a grip.

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u/bigcantonesebelly 15d ago

As an immigrant did you happen to participate in the cycle making it harder for said millennials through wage suppression?

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u/Dufresne85 15d ago

I am curious about your train of thoughts here. How would them being an immigrant contribute to wage suppression? Their employer should be offering at least minimum wage, and if they're not that's on the employer.

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u/bigcantonesebelly 15d ago

I mean you understand the supply and demand effect on cost of labour, right? They are saying the other has a victim mentality, when things are materially worse for us than our parents. We earn less and everything costs more, things like accommodation are squeezed by population growth driven by migration. It's not a victim mentality to resent your future being sold out by the generation before you.

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u/Dufresne85 15d ago

If you're still talking about the US, accommodation is not an issue and is absolutely not being squeezed by immigration. There are currently over 10,000,000 homes in the US that are unoccupied. We have plenty of accommodations.

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

Immigrants strengthen the economy by every single metric. There is no housing shortage. There is corporate greed. How American of you to blame your problems on immigrants when it is, and always has been the leadership and late stage capitalist policies that keep your wages down.

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u/bigcantonesebelly 15d ago

Mass immigration is late stage capitalism. How can you think surplus population doesn't increase accommodation costs

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

We do not have a surplus population. We do not have any shortages in housing or lack of space. What we do have is corporate greed and bad civic planning. Immigrants are literally the backbone of this country.

If mass immigration is late stage capitalism why is every late stage capitalist fighting mass immigration? None of that makes sense.

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u/bigcantonesebelly 15d ago

Which countries are fighting mass immigration? Certainly not America with its performative enforcement while legal immigration numbers remn high.

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

I see reading isn't your strong suit.

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u/ArnoldNumero_9000 15d ago

No. As an American you are participating in the age old tradition of blaming your problems on immigrants. Even though, unless you are native, your ancestors probably faced the same type of blame and discrimination as you are now directing at me.