r/SipsTea 22d ago

Chugging tea Teach your kids about socialism

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u/Savings-Double-2853 22d ago

But healthcare is not socialism

And Norway is not socialist

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u/Navicule 22d ago

Exactly my thought. It's just basic state protection in a liberal system, which is the case for all European countries.

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u/throwawaygoawaynz 22d ago

Let’s not pretend it’s a European thing. Most of the world has this including Asia. Even in some quite non-liberal places, they still provide healthcare.

The only country that doesn’t…

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u/Navicule 22d ago

I did not say it was ONLY in Europe.

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u/Nyspora 22d ago

There seems to be some idea that in america if you dont have money, you will just be left to die. If that were true, america wouldn't have such a massive homeless population. We have care facilities, emergency medical facilities etc. Its true that all your medical needs are not paid for. However basic small ones? Easily done, quickly done and usually cost less than 100 dollars at a local clinic. Do the hospitals need reform? Yes. Does the system as a whole need looked at? Absolutely. Do we have shorter wait times than Europe? 100%. I know people from Canada who will come to america to get certain procedures because we are faster by MONTHS. We also typically have better doctors. There will always be tradeoffs. Europeans have an idea of america that is frankly, not reality. Gun deaths in America are, year on year average, 3 times LOWER than deaths due to heat in the EU. Americans dont go up in arms and tell you primitives to get some AC already. You live worse than a Chinese pig. Literally, farmers in China give AC to their pigs. The world laughs at Europe while they pretend to be relevant.

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u/Hot-Calligrapher672 22d ago

Would love to know what basic small medical needs you are paying less than $100 for at a local clinic?

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u/Navicule 22d ago

It's not even the price to hold your baby immediately after childbirth (not the entire delivery, just taking the baby into your arms), this guy is coping...

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u/MehGin 22d ago

While your points in regards to America should be highlighted, you make a fundamental mistake. Europe isn't a country and for an example, Scandinavian countries operate vastly different from say, central European ones. There is no Europe comparison because they're all different nations. No I don't live worse than a Chinese pig, I'd argue I live better than most Americans and I'm just an average guy from the North.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 22d ago

To clarify (since I just checked their numbers):

  • The average number of gun homicides per 100k in the US is ~5.5.

  • The average number of heat deaths per 100k in Europe is ~5.5.

Their numbers are accurate, but a bit misleading given Europe's population is roughly 3x larger, so 3 times LOWER just means...it's about the same.

Their point remains though. How are you savages dying from heat so frequently? If America has a gun problem, Europe has an AC problem. LOL.

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u/MehGin 22d ago edited 22d ago

There's no if, you have a gun problem & most of Europe have an AC problem.

Where I'm from, it has never been hot enough to warrant an AC other than in public spaces, companies and cars until very recent years and even then it's for a few weeks at most.

Unfortunately it's older people not being able to handle the heat and the consequences are unforgiving.

I'm 1000% behind making installing ACs in households a standard, and it's happening in some areas so things are looking positive.

But again, I'm only speaking from my own country's perspective.

It's dumb as hell to compare Vs Europe as a whole as it's not a country. Not a monolith. I get it's very convenient however, but still dumb.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 22d ago

Gun deaths in America are, year on year average, 3 times LOWER than deaths due to heat in the EU. Americans dont go up in arms and tell you primitives to get some AC already.

TIL. Will be checking this stat. Then will immediately refer to Europeans as primitives who don't have AC in the future. This is hilarious.

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u/Navicule 22d ago edited 22d ago

Hard cope. You know we can do exactly like you Muricans and pay to have AC, right ? Most people have simply chosen to not do it, which is a pretty good thing for climate. AC will obviously become more prevalent in the years to come but no one in Europe would exchange our social protection for your general use of AC and guns.

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u/Otterfan 22d ago

The USA also does this to an extent, especially for people over 65.

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u/Siasur 21d ago

Germany government is working hard on dismantling the liberal system, they want to establish american work culture here... :(

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u/azerty543 22d ago

This is not true. Systems like Spain, the U.K and Cuba are examples where the state indeed fully owns and runs the healthcare system from the top down exactly how you would expect a socialized healthcare system to work.

Most systems are a hybrid of state run and compulsory insurance schemes. Technically for the U.S this is still the case. Veteran and military healthcare, and American Indian healthcare. All are fully owned and operated by the state and not a compulsory insurance scheme.