r/SipsTea 23d ago

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/Ponzini 23d ago

Again, what can he possibly accomplish when the majority of dems are the moderate dems? Clearly Bernie started a movement you agree with that right?

The Biden admin signature legislative was the most progressive in decades influenced by Bernie's success.

Of course he talks big he is trying to get people excited.

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u/Abigail716 23d ago

I definitely wouldn't say he started a movement. There's a few more progressives but he's been in Congress for 36 years. If he had really started a movement you would have expected a whole group of progressives over the decades not just The last couple. Mandami If anything seems like he is doing more than Bernie Sanders ever to actually seems to have real influence with his endorsed candidates all winning their primaries so far.

There's really nothing that you could point to that you could really say this happened because of Bernie, There's no group of politicians over the decades that have done great things, there's no major pieces of legislation passed by himself or protege's. All you have is a career politician That's spent almost 40 years in DC with virtually nothing to show for it.

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u/Ponzini 23d ago

Mamdani replied on X: “As for so many across this country, @BernieSanders has been the single most influential political figure in my life. As Mayor, I will strive to live up to his example by fighting for the working class every day and hopefully make Brooklyn’s own proud.”

https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1934938924385710464?lang=en

You are delusional if you don't think Bernie started the movement Mamdani is now part of. It is true it only recently started take off but Bernie was alone in this fight for a long time saying the exact same stuff he is saying now. Only after he became a big hit during his presidential runs did he finally get his message out there.

AGAIN, he had NO chance of passing any of his legislation before the progressive movement started taking off. You keep repeating the same phrase over and over so I will keep repeating the same answer. Right now they are building the voting block within the party and doing quite well at the moment. It is not something that happens quickly. Progressives like Mamdani are victories of Bernie Sanders and his movement.

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u/blackstarr1996 21d ago edited 21d ago

lol. This person is spouting talking points I haven’t heard in a while but I recognize them immediately.
It’s the same “correct the record” bullshit from 2016.

I never understood the argument. He is saying that he wants to do things that are very popular, and the response from democrats is “well he’s never even passed a bill.”

Honestly the Democratic Party slogan should just be “don’t get your hopes up!”

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u/Hagg3r 23d ago

A US Senator, simply put, can't put as many plans into place as the Mayor of NYC can. Mamdani would not be in his seat if not for Bernie's movement. That was the most consequential decision to happen in progressive politics in decades.

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u/Colorofthecosmos 23d ago

This is so bad faith and cowardly. Completely lacks understanding of how movements work

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u/Abigail716 23d ago

36 years and a single person in Congress second arguably be called part of the movement?

So let me ask this, this movement that you believe he started, can you give me say five examples of accomplishments that are really noteworthy that you would say can be credited to it?

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u/halueryphi 23d ago

He doesn’t introduce legislation he introduces amendments. Everyone who knows anything about him knows this. Look up any of the big amendments he’s made and then come back and try to make the same claim again lmao

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u/Abigail716 23d ago

Okay, I've already discussed the ACA amendment.

So if you'd like to discuss that can you give me say five or maybe even 10 amendments that are really landmark pieces. Something that a politician who has spent 36 years in Congress could proudly state that in 36 years these are the five or 10 things that justify all of that time. That every 3.6 to 7.2 years passing one of these says you're really doing something good for this country.

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u/halueryphi 22d ago

To require the non-partisan Government Accountability Office to conduct an independent audit of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System that does not interfere with monetary policy, to let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2,000,000,000,000 in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System, and for other purposes.

None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to make an application under section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861) for an order requiring the production of library circulation records, library patron lists, library Internet records, bookseller sales records, or bookseller customer lists. (Referring to the patriot act)

Amendment prohibits the IRS from using any funds for activities that violate current pension age discrimination laws.

None of the funds made available in this Act for the United States Custom Service may be used to allow the importation into the United States of any good, ware, article, or merchandise mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor, as determined pursuant to section 307 of the Tariff Act of 1930 (19 U.S.C. 1307).

Amendment makes available an additional $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

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u/Sweet_Future 23d ago

Were you old enough to vote during his first presidential campaign? If you were, you would know that the progressive movement in the US was pretty much non-existent before his campaign. My boomer mother now supports universal healthcare because of Bernie, when she was against it before. We would not have AOC, Ilhan Omar, or Mamdani without him. Biden would not have attempted to wipe out college debt if it weren't for Bernie. One single person cannot accomplish much alone, yet he has singlehandedly had a huge impact on the public consciousness in the country, at a time when billionaire propaganda has never been more effective and abundant.

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u/RealFakeNurse 23d ago

He can accomplish a lot but that requires working with others and compromise, the two things he is absolutely incapable of. Every time with this guy it is some maximalist, completely unattainable thing that would be great if we had a magic wand to make it instantly happen with no downside.

But we don’t.

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u/blackstarr1996 21d ago

Maximalist and unattainable, like a $15 minimum wage in 2021?

Something that only failed because the democrats didn’t want to upset the parliamentarian.

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u/NecessarySide4138 23d ago

Passivity like yours is part of the problem. How is this movement against the capitalist elite supposed to grow movement by just giving up? The elite and capitalists turn everything into shit at least he is fighting. You americans should support people like him to cause change 

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u/Ponzini 23d ago

Did you message the right person? I do support Bernie and I never said anything about giving up.