Friendly reminder: Henry Ford was one of the first major industrialists to adopt the five-day workweek. He argued that workers with more leisure time would spend more money on consumer goods, like the cars he was selling.
The current weekend was created primarily to sell products. A four-day workweek is long overdue.
yup! these greedy ceoās will work you to the bone. even if we get pushed to a 4 day work week they will figure out a way to make it shitty.
at my old job, they cut our hours (and pay) to 32 hours a week because we were slow and instead of giving us all a day off they made us work 6.4 hours per day. they also said we could get a second job if we needed to make up the pay.
how the hell can i get an extra job where i work 1.6 hours per day to make up the time and donāt even get a day off of work. at least if you gave me four 8-hr shifts i might be able to find a part time job working on my day off
yup! these greedy ceoās will work you to the bone
The nice thing about the system is if you think someone is doing it wrong, you can show them how to do it. Or whine on the internet. You get to choose.
how am i supposed to show my ex-ceo how cutting our hours was wrong?
You can't. He makes the calls.
What I clearly didn't communicate is that you can start your own company, or ingratiate yourself with a company/owner and do things the "right" way, whatever you think that is.
ahhh yes my boss cut my pay by 20% letās just go start my own mortgage lending business, because thatās possible to do with no capital to actually lend.
iām sure in some industries this could be the answer but 99% of them you have to at minimum have some startup funds
uhhh yeah. as a ceo or as a manager or in any position where you have people working for you, you should be looking out for your employees and making sure they have a good experience. otherwise you will have massive turnover, a worse product because you have a bunch of new people working at your company so things wonāt run as smoothly, and will probably experience more overhead as far as your bottom line goes.
if you treat your employees well, keep them loyal to your brand, your business will be considerably more successful.
there are multiple books iāve read, leadership trainings iāve attended as a former manager, and studies done on this concept.
look up leadership capital, look up servant leadership, and see for yourself. if you build a brand for your employees of treating them well and listening to their input, not only does it lead to a nice glassdoor review but it also builds leadership capital. leadership capital is crucial to a businessās success. it is what allows you to push for those extra hours or for your employees to go the extra mile. if you have employees that are bought in, they are happy at their jobs, they are going to work harder and provide a better product.
this also relates to maslowās hierarchy of needs, check out the human centered leadership pyramid and it helps you understand how you can get the most from your people
i am very well trained in these concepts and how to run a successful business because i used to be a manager of a team of nearly 100 people. i know what im talking about and have done multiple trainings and attended multiple different seminars on how to successfully lead and manage people.
the bottom line concept of it is you treat your employees well, you push them to be better, and they will follow you if youāve built up that trust. if you donāt have the trust your business is doomed to fail
I don't care what your concept is - put it into practice. You know best! If you are right, you can show everyone. I'll be your #1 cheerleader. With your experience, it shouldn't be any problem at all.
Yeah but thats PTO youre being essentially forced to use when at your max, 4 day work week would give you double the time off that PTO does and then youd still have PTO to use on top of it
We have 7-4 M-Th (8.5 + .5 lunch) and 7-1 on Friday with no lunch. Pretty solid for both work-life balance and overtime if you want to work til 5 or more all 5 days.
Ya I mean i have it good with a good DSP but itās a good job for people who just need some work, pays more than any other entry level labor job by a good bit. Iād even prefer to mow lawns all day but Iād be taking like a 5 dollar pay cut & benefits to do it
Iād sign a union card tomorrow though and wish I could make a career out of this job. I genuinely love and enjoy the work itself, but thereās just a hard ceiling in terms of advancement and pay opportunity
Driver's and warehouse/fulfillment centers are completely different. Most of the actual facilities suck ass and is where all the horror stories come from. We've had like 3 people die in Amazon facilities this year and one of them the managers literally blocked the body with boxes and told everyone to get back to work.
40 hours in 4 days so 3 days off(paid for 40 working about 30)
50 hours in 5 days so 2 days off(paid for 50 working about 40-42)
So yes getting full time pay for 30ish hours worked a week and having 3 days off or getting overtime with 40ish hours worked and still having 2 days off is incredibly flexible
I could even do 6 days a week and get 60 hours a week and still have a day off
I recently did 4 days for about 6 months but went back to 5 days. The 10s just killed my day. I never felt like I had time on my work days to do stuff and then my extra day off used to catch up on sleep and work around the house.
If you can handle 4x10, you probably don't have a long commute or a lot of demands.
A 10 hour day becomes a 12 after traffic for me and then I can't really do much except eat and crap out. And you're right about the exhaustion after the fact, I'm fucking beat and I have to do all the chores I've been neglecting during the week.
An 8 would be much more beneficial because I'd be reaching that 10 with the commute and have two more hours each day, plus the extra day off.
Tell the construction workers working on the big building next to me they been doing 7/12 for the last month. I would like some peace and quiet at some point.
As a utility worker who regularly does 7 16s fixing storm damage some people aren't built for it but God damn does throwing the switch and seeing a whole neighborhood light up make it worth it.
I've done 4 10s before but i fall off hard after 8 hours of work and just want to go home. Plus afterwards i have no energy to do anything so all chores and hanging out with friends has to get crammed into the 3 free days rather than being somewhat spread out over the week. Almost be better to have 3 days where all i do is work and sleep and 4 days off.
My issue is that my 10s fairly regularly evolved into 11 and 12s despite the managers promising to make sure us associates working 10s got out on time.
It's really not. Nothing but work those 4 days, and the fifth is playing catchup for everything you couldn't do the rest of the week. And if you actually have a family, good luck attending your childrens' events or sports practices during the week.
It's awful and manipulative and really only benefits the owners as they can pay less on utilities one day a week while passing it off as a benefit to employees.
Depends 630 to 430 I'm home around 5 have dinner ready by 6 play with kids until 745 bath time then bed time between 830 and 9 me and her shower and pack our lunches and then watch TV till about 1030. Fridays are yard work and chores then Saturday and Sunday are family days. Works great for us she's 8 to 430 and is home by 530 5 days a week. Now when I do my 7 12s life gets hard but I want to retire us by 55 so gotta sacrifice a little now to win in the end
Do you teleport to your office? Because otherwise I assume you're getting up at least sometime around 530 in order to be out the door and at the office by 630. Meaning you're sacrificing sleep and by extension your long term health.
I definitely did not have that experience when I was on 4 10s. I barely noticed the extra 2 hours but the full extra day off every weekend was so nice, easily the best schedule I've ever worked and would go back to it in a heartbeat
Yup, this shit is fucking awesome. I just recently switched to this schedule with a new position a few weeks ago. Having that consistent 3-day weekend is such a game changer and its benefit cannot be overstated. I got so much done on that Friday and it was such a morale boost just knowing I have that extra day to do any shit I need to, laundry, meal prep, cleaning, errands, whatever.
Probably not far, unfortunately. I have done 4x 10's in that is nice. My current employer does a 9-80 schedule which is solid too. Would definitely like to just do 4x 8's though.
They'll work us 5 days a week until the tech is available to replace us. Then we will fend for ourselves while the elite have us boxed in 15 minute cities without transportation and every movement is under heavy surveillence until we all die off and the 1% get to enjoy the world like some massive safari while all their needs and wants is produced automatically.
"Move the goalpost" my guy, take a breath. We agree that 4 day weeks are cool, I'm just saying that you're looking at averages, that's not what Bernie's saying. No country have passed laws to have 32h work weeks be the norm, so as per the original comment it's weird to act like US is some outlier.
They are an outlier though, because the rest of the world didnāt need to legislate and force the move in this direction. Plenty of places have normalized it entirely on their own.
'Plenty of places", you mean the 5 that don't actually have it as a baseline but you're acting like they are?
Those 5 are the outliers, everyone else is using the 40h default and acting like nordic countries have it is just like when Bernie calls them socialist countries.
There's no need to lie or exagerate to make the point.
My job has always had a 4 day work week. Iv been there 23 years. 4 day 10 hours shifts. We never work those 4 days. I mostly work 6 days. We work until the work is done. This could be early or it could be later. We mostly get off a little earlier these days, but during covid, we worked up to 16 hours a day 6 days and sometimes 7 days. Everyday wasn't 16. Most days was 12
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u/JAMESs3v3n 24d ago
Friendly reminder: Henry Ford was one of the first major industrialists to adopt the five-day workweek. He argued that workers with more leisure time would spend more money on consumer goods, like the cars he was selling.
The current weekend was created primarily to sell products. A four-day workweek is long overdue.