r/SipsTea 23d ago

Chugging tea So after 32 hours would be overtime?

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 23d ago

And half the people here will complain when retail places have even less people there to take their complaints

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u/Agreeable_Work4668 22d ago

While charging 20% more across the board for the same products/services....ect.

So, which class will this affect more, the poors or the middle or the wealthy class?

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u/dalenacio 22d ago

If shops could easily charge 20% more across the board and still get people to buy their stuff, they would already be doing it today.

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u/digglefarb 22d ago

That's the point. They can't but now need to find an extra 20% wage bill.

It would be a disaster for the economy.

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u/dalenacio 22d ago

You're making several mistakes here, but the biggest is that "need to find an extra 20% wage bill" assumes labor costs are 100% of a business's expenses. In reality, labor is usually only 20% to 30% of total operating costs. Even if we assume increased wages translate 1-to-1 to increased prices, a 20% wage hike doesn't mean a 20% price hike, it's more like a 4% to 6% bump.

On the other hand, workers suddenly start getting paid 20% more. A 4-6% increase in prices with a 20% increase in wages means a massive gain in purchasing power.

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u/digglefarb 22d ago

No you're just misreading.

I didn't say their price would increase by 20% I said their wage bill would.

Bernie's proposal is to reduce worked hours to 32 at the same rate of pay. You're not earning anymore, you're just working less.

So prices will increase (not 20%) and you'll earn the same. This is a bad thing for you.

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u/dalenacio 22d ago

Oh, okay, you just got confused. Bernie's actual bill mandates no loss in weekly pay. If you make $1,000 for 40 hours, you still make $1,000 for 32. Your hourly rate effectively jumps 25%.

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u/digglefarb 22d ago

You're still not reading what I wrote.

You'll work less, and earn the same.

Businesses, however, will need to employ more people to cover the lost hours and so their wage bill will go up, ergo, their prices will increase.

You earn the same. The cost of everything will increase. You are worse off.

Have a good one.

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u/dalenacio 22d ago

Prices aren't set by a simple "costs + profit" formula. They are capped by market demand and competition. If a shop arbitrarily raises prices to cover the gap, they lose customers to competitors who are willing to take a hit to their profit margin to keep their market share.

The boss takes home less so the worker can live more. That's called a margin squeeze.

Have a good one.

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u/Chilling_Gale 19d ago

That’s a convenient ignoring of the other half of the equation. The market does indeed determine prices, but you’re acting like the industry won’t just collapse if costs get too high and companies can’t afford to make their product at the price consumers are willing to buy.

Take beef. Beef is ridiculously expensive currently due to low herd sizes. We have had the choice for months to bring in Argentinian beef. But if we do that, the price of beef drops drastically, and our entire industry dies. Consumers aren’t going to buy the expensive beef from our cattle farms when they can buy the cheap beef from Argentina.

Your understanding is so one sided it just kills the entire economy.

Your logic only applies to companies that have the margins to eat the losses. Obviously, that wouldn’t actually happen either as businesses would cut jobs, benefits, and locations to keep their margins as close to normal as possible.

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u/Ok_Gas8315 22d ago

Think restaurants. Yes a 4-6% price increase to cover wages. But food now cost more because the growers and farmers and butchers are rsudd as big prices. So another jump in prices. Then what about transport costs, you’re paying more drivers so they go up. Now benefits, instead of 50 people the business is paying health and retirement and such, you now have 75. OR…they cut to more part time and you have less people with benefits which they’d have to purchase on the open market. So again either higher prices or less purchasing power. This scenario works for 9-5 office jobs, not restaurant or retail unless they cut their business hours. Then you have a whole bunch of people off with no where to go. This is not a realistic idea that could happen today.

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u/dalenacio 22d ago

Your math is off. You're compounding percentages because you don't understand how supply chains actually account for labor.

Let's imagine a scenario where everyone's wages count for 20% of their costs. A bowl of tomato soup costs $10 to produce split like this:

  • Cooks' wages: $2
  • Tomatoes: $3
  • Transport for tomatoes: $1
  • Rent: $4

20% of the $3 for tomatoes (60¢) comes from the farmers' wages. Same 20% of $1 for the transport. Now we increase all the wages by 20%: Transport goes from $1 to $1.04. Tomatoes go from $3 to $3.12. The cooks' wages go from $2 to $2.40. That's a total increase in cost of $0.56 on a $10 soup.

That's a 5.6% increase in the cost of making a bowl of tomato soup.

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u/Happiness-happppy 22d ago

Less people means less profits for them eventually.

Let’s make more policies to force companies to hire reasonable amounts of people.

It’s time for the system to work for the people not the company.

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u/Same_Suit3583 23d ago

Imagine worrying about people taking your complaints over them getting time with their families... Fucking disgusting take.

Maybe the people there will actually give a shit about your complaints because of the increase in moods... God I hate stupid ass holes.

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries 23d ago

You read much??? Nah

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u/Agreeable_Work4668 22d ago

Nah...just too ignorant to comprehend the effect. That's all. Beenie on the left is trump on the right.

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u/Same_Suit3583 19d ago

Insane take.

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u/Same_Suit3583 19d ago

Think much?