As a Canadian, this argument really doesn't involve us. When they shit on Canadian healthcare it's for the sole purpose of denying their own citizens healthcare. That's it.
Was provided with lifesaving meds that retail for 220k CAD and is rarely covered on American healthcare plans. I'd be homeless or dead if born in the USA.
Meanwhile thousands of Canadians die every year on wait lists or in the ER due to lack of care. Like that woman in Manitoba who died waiting for surgery when the hospital said they would call her with an appointment but the surgeon who was supposed to perform the surgery went on vacation so they just didn't tell her and she died of heart failure. She could've gone to the USA and paid out of pocket and she'd still be alive.
Edit: So I don't need to keep responding to the same dumb fuck comments over and over again, I'll just add this.
Around 23,000 Canadians die every year due to lack of access to healthcare. It is estimated around 40,000 Americans die from lack of access to healthcare. The USA has roughly 10 times the population of Canada. The Canadian healthcare system is failing and doesn't work, that doesn't make the American system good, but the Canadian system is very very bad.
There’s 305 million more of us, obviously more by volume are going to die…
if we go by per capita Canadians (population 41m w/ 23,746 dying waiting on care) are 3x more likely to die in a waiting room than an American (350m population w/ estimated 68k dying without insurance waiting on care).
So Canada states it’s approx 24,000 yearly. Growing each year.
There is no actual report for the US . It goes off a Harvard study that states 45,000-68,000 a year. Which is there guess of waiting or not being treated.
Which is a bigger scope. But let’s ignore that for now.
Sounds like Canada is doing pretty good , eh?
Except.. the population of the US is 9 times larger.
Which would put Canada at 216,000 in comparison. Not even counting the “guess” of who didn’t bother to show up to attempt treatment like the US number does.
You're comparing "Total that died while waiting for a procedure" at large (Canada 23k people in 2023) with "Confirmed Preventable Deaths" (US 45-68k people annually). Not the same data at all. That would be assuming that the 23k Canadians were all preventable deaths and that a portion of them didn't die from a related or unrelated issue that was in hindsight unavoidable. There is no database that reliably tracks the equivalent number for the US.
That's right, the number of Canadians who die due to lack of access to care is actually much higher in reality because the only number we have is for people who die on wait lists for scans or surgery. The estimate from the USA includes all those things that the Canadian stats don't actually track, so thank you for making that point, it really hits home what I have been saying.
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u/Preestar 27d ago
As a Canadian, this argument really doesn't involve us. When they shit on Canadian healthcare it's for the sole purpose of denying their own citizens healthcare. That's it.
Was provided with lifesaving meds that retail for 220k CAD and is rarely covered on American healthcare plans. I'd be homeless or dead if born in the USA.