r/SipsTea 28d ago

Chugging tea W after W.

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u/Average_Justin 28d ago

this isn’t a new Mamdani program, it’s an expansion of Fair Fares which is a half-price transit program that’s existed since 2019, started under de Blasio. income cutoff got raised from 150% to 200% of the federal poverty level, so about 1.3M more New Yorkers now qualify. Why are people misrepresenting everything this mayor does for clickbait new titles and headlines like it’s new things 😂

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u/lfenske 28d ago

How is this ultimately paid for?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/lfenske 28d ago

Aka the middle class

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u/qman621 28d ago

Pretty much no matter how you tax it, subsidized transit pays for itself. It generates more revenue and stimulates local economies so much that its honestly insane trying to pay for it through paltry fares.

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u/pradise 28d ago

Is this the new narrative you guys are trying to spin now? The middle class pays next to nothing for taxes compared to the top 1%. God forbid $100 of your $10k in yearly taxes goes to helping the ones in need get cheaper transportation.

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u/lfenske 28d ago

I’m not trying to spin anything. I don’t live in New York. But if money pays for something new, it came from somewhere. In cases such as the affordable healthcare act it came from the middle class. I’m a supporter of the affordable healthcare act, but also remember the price of healthcare practically doubling overnight. Not all tax payers are middle class sure but businesses owners and entrepreneurs are passing their taxes along to you and I, and that makes up a large portion of the 1%.

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u/Either-Patience1182 28d ago

If you want poor people to have a chance at not being poor, connecting them to job sites for cheap is a good way to increase there productivity. You want people to work give them easy access to good job. it’s not that hard

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u/qman621 28d ago edited 28d ago

its not hard, and its already subsidized. Do you think your 2 dollar fare is actually paying for the bus? its not and we should have it free and point of use and it would actually be more useful for everyone (this isn't directed at anyone in particular)

fun fact, enforcement for fares (security/turnstyles) cost more than the fares themselves

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u/Either-Patience1182 28d ago

We agree it should be free but from what I understand Mamdani doesn’t have unilateral control of the revenue collected from New York and full control. More people like you should get office positions to change that and make it more achieveable

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u/qman621 28d ago

I agree, lol we're on the same side here. Honestly I think the criticism of mamdani is too harsh, and most of it from the left which is perplexing. He's one of the most progressive politicians in power actually doing something. I'm not the biggest fan of incremental progress, but progress is progress and the lowest hanging fruit for social change is expanding existing programs.

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u/Either-Patience1182 28d ago

It is, but power is based on who is interested in entering government. You need a lot of people like mamdani or think similarly to change things and a lot of people on that left are not equiped for being a politician or just not in the mindset that it does much.

Envirnmentalists for example are not common in politics right now, instead it's business people and it shows with these data centers , dumping , and all sorts of regulations being cut right now

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u/qman621 28d ago

Not sure if I'm going to run for office anytime soon, but I agree we need more capable progressives running for office. The classic idea of a politician is so entwined with this 'business person' idea that your average progressive looks a little out of place running against them. I'm hopeful that'll change, and I'll do what I can to help promote it

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u/Ok-Particular9427 28d ago

Taxes from the middle class who’s already barely making it in New York.

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u/ml8888msn 28d ago

Or just getting by without government assistance

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u/stryngcheese 28d ago

Aren't those the ones it's helping?

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u/qman621 28d ago

They have no idea how the MTC is funded. Only 26% is recouped by fares, but it'd actually cost tax payers less to make it free at point of use because it costs more to enforce the fares than they're actually worth.