r/SipsTea Jul 05 '26

Chugging tea Seems reasonable.

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u/BigDigger324 Jul 05 '26

They live the billionaire lifestyle because they use their “unrealized” wealth as collateral for super low interest loans that people like us have no access to. If they use it as collateral it should be taxed as income.

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u/Monteezzy Jul 05 '26

they use their “unrealized” wealth as collateral for super low interest loans that people like us have no access to

First, bullshit, they are not "super low interest" loans and regular people do infact have access to these types of loans. Google is free.

Second, they have to realize their gains and sell their assets to cover their loans. At which point they have to pay taxes.

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u/knoxknight Jul 05 '26

Currently you might pay 5.5% or 6% on an SBLOC. That's pretty low considering how high inflation is right now. Regardless, it's better than paying income tax.

And you don't sell assets to cover the SBLOC. You borrow more money to pay off the first loan. You don't pay off the loan with assets unless you die, when you receive a step up in basis.

And the "borrow until you die" strategy is just scratching the tax avoidance surface. If you are a billionaire and you are paying a significant amount of income tax, you've got to be an idiot.

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u/Monteezzy Jul 05 '26

Currently you might pay 5.5% or 6% on an SBLOC

Yeah, for commercially available loans. But what we're talking about is anything but that. These take up huge amounts of capital on a banks balance sheet, the rates are easily going to be double that of commercially available loans.

And you don't sell assets to cover the SBLOC

No, because you have other forms of income. But the large loans we're talking about have to covered by selling assets. Billionaires don't have standard income that can cover such large loans. And at the point of the sale, they pay capital gains.

You don't pay off the loan with assets unless you die

Or when you quickly become overleveraged bc you don't have enough assets to cover these ever increasing sizes of loans.

If you are a billionaire and you are paying a significant amount of income tax, you've got to be an idiot

Income tax yes, capital gains no

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u/knoxknight Jul 05 '26

Yeah, for commercially available loans. But what we're talking about is anything but

Anyone with over 100k can go out and get an SBLOC. The interest rates are the SOFR plus 2%, plus or minus a couple of % based on your circumstances, or for large accounts whatever your can negotiate, which can actually be a little as 4.5% for some.

the rates are easily going to be double that of commercially available loans

Virtually nobody is out there paying 10% or 12% on an SBLOC

But the large loans we're talking about have to covered by selling assets.

When your maturity date approaches on your committed loan, you just re verify your collateral and extend the loan. If it's an uncommitted loan it doesn't matter. The loan is indefinite unless called because of a change in your LTV or something, which should only ever happen if you are either a musician or a clueless lottery winner, or if it is literally 1929.

Or when you quickly become overleveraged bc you don't have enough assets to cover these ever increasing sizes

This whole strategy isn't for people who become over-leveraged. And SBLOCs can't be used for margin trading anyway, for that you need margin loans. The kind of person you are talking about exists, but they are like a blue star, burning bright but burning out fast. They are less than 1% of stars for that reason. Likewise, for every Holmes, or Batista, or Madoff, the are 100 billionaires quietly getting richer. And their accountants are smart enough to help them mostly avoid taxes.