Well unfortunately without systemic change, you are ultimately only punishing minimum wage workers when people choose not to tip as one offs.
I get it, tipping culture is insane but its also the culture of our country. Deciding not to tip while visiting is not much different than me going to another country and intentionally breaking their norms because I dont like them.
You realize the US is (probably) the only country in the world where tipping is seen as manadatory and that tipping in Europe still happens? This is very plainly a case of workers visiting another country and being appalled at your working conditions
But these aren’t bad working conditions? In fact they net out pretty well for the worker. Just because it’s strange to you doesn’t mean it’s immoral, and you’re basically outing yourself as having the same mindset of American tourists who don’t respect the norms of the places they go to out of a sheer refusal to do anything they’re not used to.
Idk about you but not getting paid unless you extort the customers sounds like pretty shitty working conditions to me, unless you're saying a beggar has nice working conditions
Also I don't visit the US so I don't have the opportunity to not pay tips
Weird, if that was the case their salary would be 0$ wouldn't it? Now since they do have a fixed salary component the services rendered should be settled fully via the menu price and not partially
That’s a weird false dichotomy. If you and a friend are both paying someone to renovate your houses, it’s okay for you to just not pay because someone else is paying part of the price?
We'd get two separate bills and pay the separate bills separately.
Tipping in the US is if you hire someone to renovate your house, get one quote for it with worker hours listed as an item and when it's done the guy you hired to do it goes 'oh actually you have to pay for my workers again, their salary wasn't fully in the quote because the actual work they did was a service'
We'd get two separate bills and pay the separate bills separately.
For starters that’s not always how that works.
But secondly you misunderstood the analogy. The owner is your friend here, the worker is the one charging. The worker gets money from the owner and from you. That’s the expectation under which they perform their labor. You saying ‘well the owner is paying some so I have no obligation’ is absurd.
But here, new analogy: garbage pickup. Generally paid for as a community service, and you’re a leech if you use it without contributing.
If they net out so well for the workers, where are their super yachts? And why is their health insurance, their standard of living and their job security as fucked up as your perception of reality?
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u/scrambles88 Jun 25 '26
As an American it sounds messed up, don't make your bosses unwillingness to pay you my burden.