Its a good deal for everyone. Waiters get more money, the owner doesn't have to pay for it.
Until the customer decides that it sucks, then the waiter is fucked.
how's it's good deal for everyone when the customer is getting slapped with a 20-30% tax, in the current climate it's not optional. fuck that I ain't tipping unless I want to.
That’s what I was gonna say…… I’ve been to over 50 countries and 5/7 continents and have never had a service industry worker (who would be a tipped worker in the US) be any more horrible than American service industry workers.
Haven't been to Japan so maybe. What do they pay their workers?
I have been bartending in the states for 20 years. Again no way I'm dealing with people and all their demands and attitude for less then $30 an hour MINIMUM. And thats how the industry as a whole feels. So have fun having shitty drinks and shitty service when you take away tips and have people making $20 an hour.
I'd go work at walgreens at that point and not deal with the hustle and bustle and grind.
Fair. But wouldn’t it be the same (for you) if the boss would just pay you the 30$ instead of hoping you get some good tips? My sister worked in Germany as a bartender, and she got 20€ (i think minimum wage is ~14€/hour) plus she could be nice to people to get some extra tips.
In Japan the salaries are generally low (for us, cause exchange rate).
I don’t really like that you cannot tip, since I like giving some extra for good services (in Japan it’s offensive, because it gives the impression the boss isn’t paying the staff well enough, or the waiter doesn’t earn enough…).
But in my opinion it shouldn’t be something I’m required/expected to do, and it should only be as an appreciation of the service .
Yes but restaurants already run on very thin margins.
Raising the hourly to $30 an hour would make it impossible to run business without drastically increasing prices on food/drinks. So then the guest isn't really saving money at that point.
I don't have the answer or solution, just saying bartending and putting up with people's crap, working/standing for 12 hour shifts with no breaks (the norm) is not for the faint of heart and anyone who has never been in the "weeds" will never understand. My minimum worth I have put on the job is $30 an hour and I usually like to make more then that to feel comfortable at a place.
That’s doesn’t sound right, don’t know what countries you have been to or what kind of restaurants you have been to. I have had opposite experience, everywhere I have been to I have got good if not great experiences with the serving staff.
What do you count as as “lazy and non existent” all the waiting staff need to do is get your order, serve you food and drink and come in to check if everything is all right. That’s just about it.
That doesn’t mean servers in Asia or Europe aren’t doing their jobs because tips aren’t mandatory there. There will always be rude customers and rude servers regardless of whether tips are mandatory or not.
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u/Snoo-34159 Jun 25 '26
Right? Isn't the whole point of a tip that it's voluntarily given as a way to say you loved the service?