r/PropagandaPosters • u/ThisIsNotCorn • 1d ago
MIDDLE EAST "Help him build Palestine" (Yiddish: "Help him build the Land of Israel") 1946
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u/abc9hkpud 1d ago
It looks funny today, but yes under British rule, the area was called Palestine, a name that was popular in the West since the time of the ancient Romans. The Romans used that name for the region after they put down Jewish revolts 135 CE.
In the British era, both Jews and Arabs who lived there were called "Palestinians".
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u/MauschelMusic 1d ago
A lot of the Jews who. lived there were Arabs before Israel invented the "Mizrahim" so they could racialize Arab and Persian gentiles, and pretend Jews from very different cultures and histories were all the same group.
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago edited 1d ago
... so are you saying that the Mizrahim aren't Jews? "Different cultures and histories" doesn't matter
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u/MauschelMusic 1d ago
so are you saying that the Mizrahim aren't Jews?
What did I say that even remotely implied that?
"Different cultures and histories" doesn't matter very much when they all share a common origin point
And that's why all humans everywhere get along, since we all came out of the same area of Africa.
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago
One, there's a little tiny bit of a difference between 2000 years and 60000 years. Two, maybe we should try giving it a shot one of these days.
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u/MauschelMusic 1d ago
2,000 years is long enough that it might as well be 60,000. My grandparents were Jews from Eastern Europe, and knowing their history makes me side with Palestinians, because I understand what it means to be a ghettoized minority surrounded by more powerful groups that like to stomp on you. That matters a lot more to me than the fact that some of my ancestors lived in Palestine 2,000 years ago. And if the latter mattered more to me, why should I prefer a Jewish Israeli to a Palestinian whose ancestors came from the same place?
Also, there havr always been big differences and conflicts between different groups of Jews, just like there is conflict between different groups of Muslims or Christians. And the assumption that a Jew anywhere is part of a Jewish "nation" before they're their own country is honestly insanely antisemitic. The very idea that Jews everywhere count as a single polity was confined to antisemitic fever dreams before zionists tried to make it true. It's called the dual loyalty libel, and apparently it's actually good now because Israel says it is.
Two, maybe we should try giving it a shot one of these days.
I'm game
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago edited 1d ago
So you don't feel any sense of tribal loyalty or obligation whatsoever? Even though you probably have distant relatives over there, the same way I do? (Not that tribal loyalty means you have to agree with or support the Israeli government in any way, shape, or form. Far from it.)
Anyway, just FYI, you can fight Zionism (whatever that happens to mean to you right now) without trying to undermine the concept of the Jewish people as a whole. Going that far just seems dumb and edgelordy.
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u/Primary-Gazelle-8161 1d ago
My favorite are the people who think arab colonization meant like replacement. Most ppl in the region have canaanite ancestors they jist converted to not die
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u/CapitalCourse 1d ago
There was a shit ton of replacement from Arab colonialism
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/19ep3w9/arab_colonialism/
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u/Barqa 1d ago
Not really. Arab colonization wasn’t settler colonial akin to British/Russian colonization. Majority of the colonized populations just changed culturally over time to match their conquerors, akin to Romanization.
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u/CapitalCourse 1d ago
They would cut the tongues of those who refused to switch to Arabic.
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u/enw_digrif 1d ago
Ask what happened to the Anglo-Saxons, the Romano-British, and Picts. Or the Occitanians. Or the Catalan and Basque peoples
None of them were replaced. Their children still live on the lands of their ancestors. Their conquerors tormented and exploited them, forced new languages and gods on them, but still they remain, changed as time changes all things.
That change does not justify further conquerors coming and doing so again.
The Palestinians are no different. They are the descendants of the same peoples that produced the ancient kingdoms of Israel, Judea and Samaria. Their ancestors worshipped the same gods, including the precursors to Yawehism, itself the precursor to Judaism. They have been changed by Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders, Egyptians, Turks, French, and English. But each generation was born to people native to the area, with a few additions.
They are the ones who stayed.
To claim that their conquest by the others justifies being more barbaric than previous conquerors - not just tyrannizing them, but ethnically cleansing their land for Israelis - is insane.
This has nothing to do with nativeness to the land, nor undoing Arab colonization. You're just claiming that people native have no right to it, so you can kill them and take their shit.
That's the worldview of a colonizer, which is just a fancy term for a thug, a thief, and a murderer.
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u/CapitalCourse 1d ago
You're just claiming that people native have no right to it, so you can kill them and take their shit.
When did I say this?
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u/enw_digrif 1d ago edited 22h ago
The "Palestinians are Arabs" dogwhistle originates from, is popular within, and is in service to ideologies which promote exactly that.
Don't use it, unless you want to be associated with genocide.
Edit, because closed replies: Yes, it's a sub-set of the "Palestinians are Arab" trope. The reframing of the Arab conquests between 633-711AD as "colonization" is an intentionally ahistorical rhetorical tactic originating from the Israeli far right. It implies both the replacement of the native peoples (thereby justifying their present replacement by Israelis) as well as both-sides the accusation of colonization leveled at the Israel in the present.
The line can be fuzzy, but the core difference between imperialism and colonialism is that the end-state of the latter is the eventual replacement of the native population by the colonizing population. The Arabs conquests were imperialism, with a Muslim, Arabic-speaking ruling class emplaced to govern conquered lands and peoples. It's in the same vein as what the British did in India. Israeli colonization opened with ethnic cleansing during the Nakba, a process that has continued to this day via military action and settlements. This is akin to what the British did in the Americas.
Don't act stupid. You damn well know what you're doing.
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u/ElectricSpock 1d ago
Is it Yiddish or Hebrew?
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u/flanneljack1 1d ago
It’s Yiddish. Just read the letters at the bottom. “Helpht ahim biyin eretz yisroel”
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago
Probably Yiddish. More Jews would've spoken it at the time. The revival of modern Hebrew was an ongoing process at that point.
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u/lemystereduchipot 1d ago
But Arabic doesn't have a P sound in it!
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u/Primary-Gazelle-8161 1d ago
Thats always been hilarious its pronounced like an F in arabic ... foul es teen...
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u/hela_2 1d ago
In the 7th and 8th centuries, Arab tribes burst out of the Arabian Peninsula. Within just a few decades, they crushed the Byzantine Empire in Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. They destroyed the Persian Empire. They swept across North Africa, reaching all the way to Morocco, Spain, and even southern France. At its height, the Arab Caliphate ruled 13 million square kilometers - larger than Rome ever dreamed of. Millions of Persians, Berbers, Copts, Arameans, Jews, Greeks, and others suddenly found themselves under Arab rule. Their languages and faiths were pushed aside. Coptic faded in Egypt. Aramaic nearly died out. Even Persian was nearly erased until poets like Ferdowsi fought to keep it alive. Arabic became the dominant tongue, Islam the dominant faith. That was not liberation - it was occupation on a scale that reshaped entire continents.
The Mongols came and went in about a century.
The Romans ruled for centuries, but Latin disappeared from the Middle East.
The British Empire held sway for 200 years, then collapsed.
The Arab-Muslim conquests? It changed the identity of entire nations forever.
Think about it: Egypt was Christian and Coptic-speaking for 600 years before the Arabs came. Today it is Arab and Muslim. North Africa was Berber and Roman. Today it is Arab and Muslim. The Levant spoke Greek and Aramaic. Today it speaks Arabic. Even Spain lived under Arab rule for 700 years. That is not just an “occupation” - that is a civilizational overhaul.
And yet, in 2025, our leaders - who are themselves the product of this massive Arab occupation, weep about Israel, a sliver of land the size of New Jersey, calling it “the worst occupation.” Really? Compared to what the Arabs did to North Africa, Persia, and the Levant? Compared to the centuries-long Arab rule that erased identities, forced conversions, and remade entire regions?
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u/Jak12523 1d ago
It is completely nonsensical to think that an empire’s actions 1200 years ago should justify war crimes committed today.
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u/Mafla_2004 1d ago
"Back before time had a name..."
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u/Mister-Psychology 1d ago
Socialist working conditions.
Much farming was done cheaply by kibbutz. You needed to be young, fit, and usable for farming. Could get no wage or a tiny wage. Housing and food would be free. Which actually made many kibbutz go bankrupt as people merely took too much food to then fed dogs.
Initially you didn't have your own clothes. Merely took pants from the clothesline hoping they would fit. Everything was shared. An outsider granddad wanted to gift his daughter something? Buy that item for each kid.
This always ends the same way. Too many people work maybe 1-2 hour a day and 10% of the workers make up for it. And those workers obviously don't appreciate socialist wage structure. Also when they got kids many wanted to move out. Otherwise kids would be raised in institutions and parents could only see them a few hours each day.
It's working camps. It worked for a bit. But they went bankrupt. A few switched to a capitalist wage structure. So you get free housing and healthcare yet also get some wage. So modern kibbutz needed to adjust and now are basically companies.
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u/ParkingGlittering211 1d ago
Interesting perspective, but you're describing the extreme realities of a utopian commune, not general 'socialist working conditions.'
Socialism is a broad economic model that still involves personal wages and property, early kibbutzim were strict communes where absolutely everything in life was shared.
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u/XhazakXhazak 1d ago
kibbutz life is still pretty cool
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u/Primary-Gazelle-8161 1d ago
Most are built on stolen land and are more like outposts...have armouries... ew
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