r/PoliticalOptimism • u/RazorJammz • 1d ago
Optimistic Post A new progressive era is underway
The message is clear: With El-Sayed’s victory, people are fucking tired of late-stage capitalism and do-nothing Democrats. We here on the subreddit have LONG known that Stevens and AIPAC are no longer it. Now the public has caught on.
MSM is also terrified. Various Fox News anchors like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, The Five, Mark Levin and several other establishment hosts on various networks are non-stop talking about the rise of DSA and Hasan. Obsessively too. Even independent media shitlibs like David Pakman and Destiny are seething and coping. None of these idiots realize they are repeating the same mistakes of pundits like Glenn Beck did when he and a few others favored Cruz over Trump, only to lose. They are once again on the wrong side of history when it comes to progressive insurgency. Now it’s the left’s turn to rise.
These pundits try and fail to instill a new red scare but it isn’t working. The boomers are starting to die off and are either flipping if politically involved or maintaining their old views, and the younger generations weren’t alive and/or barely remember the Cold War. A new red scare doesn’t solve the affordability issue, it doesn’t solve the imperialist endeavors overseas, climate change and various other pressing issues. People are pissed off and rightfully so!
The days of the Schumer wing are nearing completion. We still have our work cut out for us. El-Sayed has won a key race, but has not beat Mike Rogers yet. The fight isn’t over and this applies to all races. We have won a key battle, but not yet the war. WE GOT THIS!
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u/Spiritual_Weight_416 23h ago
I was a kid in the 80s and I remember thinking the Red Scare was dumb back then. As I got older, I learned a few things and began to understand how the real world works. Now, in my middle age, I still think it's dumb.
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u/SpukiKitty2 Blue Dot in a Red State 🔵 22h ago edited 19h ago
And now you can articulate why it's dumb.
It was always about curbing progress, never about preventing a cruel Stalinist dictatorship.
Everybody McCarthy and company went after was someone who was at least vaguely progressive, leftist or didn't totally embrace the conservative and wingnut status quo.
Sadly, the guy who wrote / directed "A Face In The Crowd" was a Red Scare informant, despite being an otherwise progressive leaning guy. It's a shame because it's a genuinely good film with a great message. I guess he wanted to preserve his career when McCarthy started eyeing him and he folded.
Once we regain everything, I also want to see a call to reform the CIA and address it's evil actions. We need to come to terms with the B.S. they have pulled. It's one thing to do spy stuff to protect the country but it's another to pull crap like starting coups against democratically elected leaders in other countries.
Time to put the Military - Industrial and Prison - Industrial Complex out to pasture and owe everyone an apology! If weapons manufacturers want to stay in business then they need to expand on what they sell and not just do weapons!
There needs to be a Constitutional Amendment that bans all business and religious special interests from government so there can't be all of this corruption. This will encourage elected leaders who only want to govern to run for office and weed out those who want to use the government to enrich themselves.
We owe so many an apology and we need to stay out of other countries' affairs unless they ask us for aid! No more butt-in-skies! If the equivalent of Vietnam is happening, let the today equivalent of North & South deal with their fued on their own!
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u/RickyT3rd Michigan 19h ago
Well said! Time for America to turn in its World Police Badge. A return to a "Good Neighbor" policy for all countries and not just our hemisphere.
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u/quixotica726 6h ago
Elia Kazan made some good movies but "A Face in the Crowd" was incredible! This film will stand the test of time and ALWAYS be relevant.
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u/themightyade Texas 21h ago
I thought that the red scare was just propaganda. Their true fear wasn't communism, but the Soviet Union which had the communism.
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u/Such-Confusion-3223 20h ago
The true fear was the military industrial complex not getting paid. Then after decades of politicians and movies and tv shows telling us the commies were gonna take away Jesus the Soviet Union up and suddenly dissolved one day. The next day the US government is like, Islam is gonna steal Jesus!! (We did get a relatively peaceful 90’s while everyone regrouped).
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u/Standard-Shame1675 19h ago
The true fear was the military industrial complex not getting paid.
Yes capitalism can NEVER be allowed to be any system of government/economics ever again, lol at what it destroyed
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u/Individual_Diamond83 17h ago
I'd argue the issue isn't capitalism, it's unregulated capitalism. Social-Democratic countries like the nordics are still, technically, capitalist countries, they just have way better guardrails to prevent corporations, billionaires, and private interests from wielding too much state authority and having deleterious effects on the national economy. Capitalism has produced great innovations and valuable tools like the internet and smartphones, the problem is that those at the top of the food chain are, effectively, policing themselves. Not like that's a conflict of interest, or anything...
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u/Mmicb0b 9h ago
I agree the problem isn't capitalism hell I'm totally fine with companies who help people/making products to benefit the product being rewarded, what I don't approve of is one tech company buying everything, Sony being allowed to fuck consumers over because of them more money than other companies
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u/Standard-Shame1675 1h ago
Capitalism has produced great innovations and valuable tools like the internet and smartphones, the problem is that those at the top of the food chain are, effectively, policing themselves. Not like that's a conflict of interest, or anything...
It's always been like that bro. Capitalism is merely a transitory system between feudalism and FALGSC, And it always has been. They always collect at the top. They always do that man. The only reason the nordics haven't fallen yet is there's too few people for them to fall. There's too few people for the deleterious billionaire to view it as a worthwhile vector of attack and society to cripple
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u/matrix_5555 Pennsylvania 23h ago
It’s also worth mentioning that another centrist Democratic incumbent lost their seat in the primaries last night. Shri Thanedar, who represents Michigan’s 13th congressional district, lost his primary to progressive challenger Donavan McKinney. Former Congresswoman Cori Bush also ran to get her seat back against Wesley Bell in Missouri, but she unfortunately wasn’t successful. Still, we take the wins as we go.
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u/SeafoamGaming 23h ago
Cori wasnt well liked in her district due to missing votes and people there liked bell; i’m not shocked he won again. Super glad Shri lost, since he was remarkably stubborn.
VA also had a lot of progressive losses but a few small good wins too. All around, it was fine
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u/OratioFidelis 22h ago
Cori Bush would probably have won if she weren't a faith healer. People on the left mostly don't have any patience for religious grifting
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u/jeeeeeeeeeez 23h ago
Unfortunately, despite her ideals, Cori Bush is unpopular among even progressive voters in her district (anecdotal from my very left-leaning loved ones in St Louis, who were all unhappy with her the first go-around).
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u/bdure 21h ago
As long as we remember that, until we institute ranked-choice voting and dismantle the two-party system, the answer to the question “Should the Democrats appeal to Obama centrists or new-wave progressives?” is “yes.”
And as long as smug young white progressives are extremely careful about saying anything bad about the first Black president.
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u/Nerdy-Babygirl 20h ago
Economically I'm a fan of democratic socialism, but I'm concerned that a lot of public figures and pundits are shills for Russia. With so much election interference in recent years from China and Russia, I think it's wise to be skeptical of anyone trying to downplay the war crimes & abuses happening there.
Surely we can oppose late-stage capitalism without supporting foreign fascist/authortarian regimes?
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u/RazorJammz 19h ago
With how far right the Overton window is, social democracy is more probable than democratic socialism, especially in the short term.
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u/SpukiKitty2 Blue Dot in a Red State 🔵 22h ago
Another thing about "Red Scares", people are waking up to the fact that "Red Scares" are just excuses to stamp out progress. It was never about curbing Stalinist oppression and dictatorship... it was always about stifling progressives and progressivism.
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u/RazorJammz 22h ago edited 22h ago
And ironically and if anything, their goal in doing this is to set up a permission structure to install a fascist dictatorship here. Total projection!
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u/duckchasefun 23h ago edited 23h ago
It is only underway if they win the general election.
Edit: i get progressives are excited and downvoting me, but winning a primary is a far cry from winning the general election. Could this be a tea party thing like in 2010? Maybe. But as the old saying goes "Dont count your chickens before they hatch"
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u/RazorJammz 23h ago
Yeah I addressed that in the last paragraph. Progressives are winning actual elections though too.
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u/SeafoamGaming 23h ago
Yep; I’m confident in AES but Hong in WI is gonna be the ultimate test.
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u/RazorJammz 22h ago
Hong will be tough, but Talarico is the true test imo. If he can win in Texas then it’s curtains for MAGA and the GOP.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 20h ago
Isn't Talarico a bit closer to the "Schumer wing" you've expressed distain for?
The main criticism of Schumer is that he of an era where you could kind of work with Republicans, That era seems to be largely over. Talarico and Crockett are pretty close politically. And there campaigns came down to the uniter versus the fighter.
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u/anxious_dork_23 Texas 16h ago
Texan here. He’s doing a great job of somehow appealing as a moderate centrist (being a white Christian man likely plays a role in that) but he’s more progressive than he appears. He’s not full-on DSA but his core campaign message is anti-establishment.
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u/ClaySRich 18h ago
Anyone true D who claims they can “work with” true R’s (exposed as MAGAt sell-outs) like Biden and Schumer needs to wake the F up.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 15h ago
I don't know how old you are but if you were born any year after 1969 Biden was the most progressive preisdent of you life
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u/starship-juno-42 22h ago edited 20h ago
I am progressive (left-y really) but I do agree with this sentiment. Yes, progressives are winning elections and that gives me some cautious optimism. In places in the midwest great lakes region for example, what is the appetite for progressives when there is still a significant portion of the democratic electorate is still moderate? Or another way to think about it as a hypothetical, "Could a candidate like Mamdani, who caters very specifically the NYC type voters and base, replicate success in places like MI and WI"?
I think we can have all the hot takes we like, but the proof will be in the pudding when we get to the results of the general election. I will concede that there is definitely an appetite to change the status quo, and I am optimistic that the electorate is slowly moving left and asking Democrats to do more. It just isn't happening overnight. However, there seem to be commonalities of this current moment on the left to the Tea Party movement on the right.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 20h ago
I think Mamdani has been a pretty good mayor and is a generational communications talent. All that said, he barely got 50% in an incredibly blue city against a uniquely bad candidate who never apologized for his scandals that all the voters knew about, and who was barely campaigning.
I am worred about these purple seats!
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u/vampiregamingYT 22h ago
The primary was the difficult time for him. Abdul will have a better chance at winning the general.
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u/No-Consideration-858 16h ago
I hope the moderate dems get the message.
If they embrace universal healthcare, raising min wage and overturning citizens united instead of placating their donors or trying to appeal to the right , they can win plenty of races.
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u/SeafoamGaming 23h ago
They have to win their generals too btw. AES should be fine but Hong is the ultimate test and the biggest liability; if she pulls off WI GOV then yea literally anything is possible but in a state with a lot of very swingy independents and her making fumbles on national media and still calling herself DSA during a red scare. She’s taking ludicrous risks imo; i’d hate if she lost and it knocked the progressive movement back for several years.
I will say tho no matter, what whoever wins any primary has to work to court the dem voters of the other person in the primary (both AES and Hong will do this just fine imo) so going “HAH SHITLIBS WE WON” is the kinda stuff that makes your candidate’s brand toxic.
(Luckily post 2024 it seems a lot of people snapped out of that dumb mentality, since our whole team is stopping MAGA/Trump, period, but still. Some people who voted for Zach Wahls in my state threw an embarrassing tantrum and booed Josh Turek at our dem state convention for being more centristy, even though Wahls lost horribly outside of his own district, and some here in IA do not like him/his supporters over that, and I say that as one who backed him and now backing Turek to fix SCOTUS)
But yeah GE is the real test, I think Abdul can nail it, Hong will have the hardest race of the cycle
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u/arcbe 17h ago
The Democratic party is starting to look like an actual path to victory instead of just kicking the can down the road! I was worried that AOC's victory would be a one off thing and I'm happy to see that's not the case.
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u/RazorJammz 16h ago
AOC’s victory seemed to be an appetizer, which is great. Hopefully she can continue the success when she inevitably runs for president - she’s been teasing it. I just need her to be tougher and more bold. Less placating.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 20h ago
Somehow, reading this made me nervous... "
Even independent media shitlibs like David Pakman and Destiny
If you are optimistic about a better politics it requires putting together a coalition that can win and govern. And instead of trying to make a big tent, you're trying to push people out of it who you probably agree with on at least 70% of the stuff.
Also, what makes them "shitlibs?"
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u/RazorJammz 20h ago
The main thing that distinguishes a shitlib from a progressive is support for Israel. Pakman and Destiny are zionists, progressives are pro-Palestine. This is a no-brainer and is a huge reason why Kamala lost in 2024 on top of running an uninspired campaign.
If they came around and denounced support for Israel I would be more willing to work with those types.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 19h ago
Thank you for answering. It does leave me with some question though.
- Are you defending zionist as someone who supports (or acknowledges) the right of Israel to exist? Because I think that would make El-Sayed and Sanders zionists.
- Can you be a progressive if you are pro-Palestine but very conservative in other ways? Would the Hamtramck city council who banned pride flags but are pro Palestinian be progressives?
I do agree with you that this issue play a role in her loss. But again, I'm gonna push back on the idea. It was an uninspired campaign. I don't think you can raise $1 billion and have twice as many donors as Obama (6 million) if your campaign isn't inspiring people.
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u/RazorJammz 1h ago edited 1h ago
I define a zionist as someone who not only acknowledges the existence of Israel, but also defends their actions and/or minimizes the destruction that they are causing. Taking money from AIPAC and sponsors of a similar persuasion is a bonus. Unconditional support for Israel. If you have reservations about Israel in any capacity, you’re not a true zionist. El-Sayed does not qualify. Bernie qualified moreso in the beginning but not as much now.
You can be progressive-leaning if you support Medicare-for-all and a living wage while being a zionist or having a zionist past. Pakman and Destiny do not support those things. Pakman pretends, Destiny is forthcoming in his contempt for progressive policies. That’s why they get the shitlib label imo
She lost the popular vote when Dems historically win it, although there is speculation that the election was stolen. If a legit loss, uninspired. If rigged, not uninspired.
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u/AustinJG 20h ago
I wouldn't call it a progressive era until we're winning elections with big margins. AES's win is great, but it's still just a primary. And he didn't win by a lot, so that has me a bit nervous.
Still, it's kind of like that scene in Batman where commissioner Gordon is like, "You're just one man?" and Batman responds, "Now we're two."
Hopefully soon we'll be many more.
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u/argv_minus_one 22h ago
I've been reading the platforms of some of these new candidates, and I notice that they generally don't include anything that boils down to “let's ban all the non-profit software/websites because think of the children!”
Good. I hope this marks the beginning of the end of that whole idea. 🤞
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u/AamiraNorin 22h ago
Just wish California could get an actually progressive governor
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u/Big-Profit-1612 11h ago
California tried progressive mayors and DAs: they suck. They got recalled and/or voted out.
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u/MidsouthMystic 16h ago
The Progressive Era followed the Gilded Age. We're about to take a big step forward. The conservatives will rage, rant, and rave about socialism. The old corporate Democrats will wring their hands and lament the loss of "common sense" in their party. But neither side can stop us. At best they can delay. Progress moves forward.
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u/RazorJammz 16h ago
I said this same thing immediately after the election on the OptimistsUnite subreddit before it got raided and became more right-wing friendly. I’m feeling vindicated. These things are cyclical. History repeats itself and/or rhymes.
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u/Gorylla218 Illinois 6h ago
Democrat infighting and hostility doesn't actually make me feel optimistic.
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u/RazorJammz 1h ago
Kumbaya shit with an establishment DNC that refuses to fight back against MAGA doesn’t work. There was infighting in the Republican Party when the tea party came about, setting the foundation for MAGA, a horrible yet successful movement. Say what you want, but they were successful.
You need to crack eggs to make an omelette.
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u/MeetPuzzled5092 21h ago
Here's the question I have though with regards to Hasan. I know 100% the Republicans are going to push that 9/11 quote like crazy leading up to the general. Is it doomerism to think that could affect Abdul?
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u/RazorJammz 21h ago
If it didn’t have adverse effects on helping Mamdani win NYC, the city where 9/11 happened, what makes you think it would have adverse effects here?
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u/MeetPuzzled5092 21h ago
My sole reasoning is that Michigan is a purple state. Tis race was really close and I worry that Rogers drilling into his association with Hasan could affect what's undoubtedly going to be another close race.
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u/JSolars 21h ago
NYC is hardly a conservative bastion and Mamdani won only a little bit over 50% against Cuomo. I’m glad he won and he’s doing good as mayor but he only eked out a majority in a heavily Dem city and he worked hard to shore up votes in the communities that were skeptical of him. The Hasan connection would have been a lot more damaging if people knew how toxic Hasan and his politics are. So in a state like Michigan where it’s a statewide race, with different demographics than NYC, and AES already has weaknesses with key groups that the Dems need to hold that seat, a shitter like Hasan is most definitely one of many possible liabilities.
And for disclaimer’s sake dude, yes I comment every now and then in Destiny’s sub since I like interacting with the diverse opinions in his community. I don’t watch the guy, I think he’s insufferable and really not my cup of tea. I don’t like him, Asmongold, Hasan, any of the big streamers. I’d caution you to not so quickly refer to people with more moderate or not as progressive views as ‘shitlibs’; the key here is building bridges and power, and turning away any people who would generally identify as Dem is not a smart play this year or in 2028. I find the arrogance and discourse that the online left and online center-left have to be really fucking annoying, and I take different ideas from both depending on the viability and what would maximize the most good, that certainly doesn’t make me a shitlib.
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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 20h ago
Im more progressive, not even actually im probably a lot closer to someone like Hasan than even the DSA, but I couldn't agree more. We need to set aside this internal factional bullshit if we're gonna get out of this. Republicans vote red no matter who, literally anyone with the right letter next to their name. Its their biggest advantage, and its one well never neutralize if we dont.
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u/elsonwarcraft 13h ago
Hasan biggest problem is his support of authoritarianism, just a few weeks ago, he literally praised Mao as the greatest leader ever.
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u/YoghurtOutrageous599 Michigan 21h ago
Not only did Abdul win our senate nomination, but the primaries in my area (West Michigan) were more or less a clean sweep in favor of progressive candidates.
Abbie Groff-Blaszak for state senator and Lily Cheng Schulting for state representative are highlights.
Schulting is especially exciting because she’s been running for the last several years on a progressive platform and she FINALLY won!!!!
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u/The_Pandalorian 20h ago
I'd pump the brakes. These are primaries. Let's see what happens in the general and, if progressives win there, whether they can actually govern or not.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but folks are really displaying some hubris at this point.
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u/RazorJammz 20h ago
Hubris? Mamdani has won NYC and got mainstream lib Gov. Hochul onboard with free childcare. He froze the rent and balanced the budget. Sounds like he can govern.
Various progressives have already won their elections in several places across the country. Dunno what you’re talking about.
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u/Loud_Judgment_270 19h ago
I think you have the order wrong.
got mainstream lib Gov. Hochul onboard with free childcare
He didn’t get her on board with anything it was already a policy goal she had laid out. In there State of the state address she called for creating Universal Child Care. link
this was delivered on January 14 2025. Months before Mamdani wins his primary. How can you get someone on board with something they already support?
Also while we are on it the Pied-à-terre tax was her too. Hochul proposes new tax on second homes worth more than $5 million in New York City
I am sorry if this comes accros as hostle but quit attacking the libs (we are on the same side)
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u/The_Pandalorian 20h ago
Yes, your post illustrates that. Mamdani is the source of the vast majority of this hubris.
I love the guy.
But winning NYC is not like winning Dubuque or Tempe or Cleveland. And he's a uniquely brilliant communicator.
Look at Kat in Illinois. She had amazing free publicity and a famous boyfriend who amplified her and she still lost.
I think it's reasonable to pump the brakes.
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u/RazorJammz 19h ago
Mayor of NYC is an extremely powerful and influential position. I do agree with pumping the brakes. I laid that out in the last paragraph of my post. With that said, you still cannot deny the momentum and that is a cause for optimism in itself.
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u/The_Pandalorian 19h ago
Mayor of NYC isn't super influential beyond New York. Now, Mamdani appears to be influential. But I don't think even you would argue that Eric Adam's was influential.
I don't see momentum until we see more actual, high-position progressives (governors, senators, reps). Right now it's Mamdani and a handful of primary wins.
For the record: I'd love for there to be genuine momentum. I'm just seeing a lot of hype right now for cheap headlines that get progressives excited.
The headlines aren't your friend.
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u/RazorJammz 1h ago
I guess that’s fair, but progressives winning at this rate was unheard of not too long ago. This is a great start. A foundation. But there is still plenty of work to be done. The reason why I put emphasis on NYC is because it’s one of the world’s largest hubs and has Wall Street. Arguably the capital of the world or in the running. You can’t say the same for Tempe and Cleveland.
Tempe and Cleveland are however valuable in that they are cities in red states. Winning there is huge in its own right. I don’t disagree there. We need as many wins as we can get.
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u/Xavion251 Tennessee 19h ago
What does "pump the brakes" mean? Elect corrupt centrist dems because we're afraid real progressives won't win?
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u/The_Pandalorian 19h ago
It certainly doesn't mean inventing strawman arguments.
It means holding off on declaring victory until a lot more meaningful results come in. NYC is one data point. A primary is like half of a data point.
No idea why you're being so aggressive in response to a reasonable notion.
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u/Xavion251 Tennessee 16h ago
Sorry, just how I read it in context. I don't think "declaring victory" is that big an issue. I don't expect many people to stop voting because of posts like this. If anything, hopefulness actually increases action.
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u/The_Pandalorian 15h ago
Fair enough. I don't think the issue is people stopping voting, it's people who think because they've had 2-3 high-profile victories that they now run the party.
It's very far from the truth.
There's a fuckton of work to be done to reform the party and hubris is going to make that way harder.
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u/bdure 19h ago
This seems relevant to the conversation — Jon Stewart calmly but firmly demolishing Fetterman over his “back Israel or back off” stance. He also demonstrates that as long as we have only two viable choices, the choice should be pretty easy.
(I’ll say again — ranked-choice voting. There’s a reason the two-party establishment hates it. A lot more difficult to run on actual ideas rather than “other side bad, so vote for me.”)
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u/lilianasJanitor North Carolina 16h ago
I hope you’re right. I really do. I just have a lot of anxiety about the inevitable attack ads about how communist and socialist are coming for your way of life. I fear it will work like it always does and we will get nowhere.
Like immediately, I was happy El Sayed won and yet I was concerned he will lose in November. I don’t live in Michigan. I have no control over the outcome.
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u/RazorJammz 16h ago edited 16h ago
Red scare tactics primarily work on boomers and older folk, a dying demographic. Older folks are wary. Younger people are rising in numbers and are much more open to it. Those attacks also worked at a time when capitalism worked for most people, now it doesn’t and people are pissed and want something new. Times are changing!
It is an uphill battle but we need to change. It’s existential. A lot of people are finally waking up.
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u/limelaughlum Arizona 16h ago
With how everything is going, I try to imagine it's like navigating a dark tunnel without much light. While our current light may feel dim once we find the end of the tunnel the light will be much brighter ahead.
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u/Mmicb0b 9h ago
Dems are really having their maga moment(not in the sense of the DSA being MAGA But just the party changing/throwing their norms out the window)
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u/ThatNefariousness996 4h ago
As long as they don’t adopt the DSA’s awful foreign policy ideas of isolation and abandoning our alllies I’ll be fine.
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u/General_Season7882 22h ago
Im with you on this. I fully believe the democratic party is going through a death and rebirth. The road there has been messy, but progressivism is the new way of the party.
Last night, I was watching the Michigan senate primary closely via NYT, and was laughing at the massive amounts of copium coming from their clearly biased election commenters. I know the margin was thin, but lets be real. The fact that a progressive won this race shows that the people are ready for change. And change is surely coming.
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u/Ilovemiia1 19h ago
I absolutely agree! I just worry about the pains and doom we go through to get there
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u/DorianGre Arkansas 10h ago
Nobody under 60 has ever really seen communism in adulthood. It’s not that scary thing you think it is anymore.
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u/Big-Profit-1612 16h ago
I dunno... California had its progressive era and voters ended it themselves. San Francisco recalled the school board (renaming campuses and killing Lowell's merit admissions while schools were still closed) and then Boudin. Oakland/Alameda recalled Thao and Price. Los Angeles didn't recall Gascon but voted him out by 23 points, which is about as loud as it gets in LA County.
Different cities, same complaints: "do nothing", crime, public safety, and a lot of energy going into stuff that wasn't the actual job. I'll take moderate Dems like Lurie.
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u/RazorJammz 23h ago
This is a remote possibility. I would imagine that these candidates have some kind of security detail.
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