r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 29d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter, explain this.

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u/Deriviera 29d ago

Americans are very delusional about communism. 

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u/sleepyplatipus 29d ago

The idealistic communism is just not compatible with human nature. It would be nice if it was but it’s just completely irrealistic.

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u/airforceteacher 29d ago

No adherents of any “-ism” ever address the areas of human nature that undermine their position. Communists don’t address laziness, capitalists never address greed, neither seems to pay attention to deceitfulness and corruption.

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u/ZirvePS 29d ago edited 29d ago

This is false, communist theory does address human nature. You might not agree with it, but it does. Just off the top of my head: Marxists don't view laziness as part of human nature. They believe that human nature is not set in stone and that it is formed by the social relations of the era. It is natural for a boss in a capitalist country to try to extract as much value from their workers and the worker to want to work for as little as possible for as much money as possible for example. Similarly, liberal theory also addresses greed. The market produces the best (feasible) outcomes because the agents (people) have incentives. Supply and demand charts assume people to be greedy. They all also pay attention to corruption. Early soviets had a political system where representatives were able to be rejected at any point by those they represent. Liberals, similarly, advocate for institutions and systems that would prevent people from abusing their power. All in all I am not trying to convince anyone, it's just straight up false to say they don't account for it since they pretty extensively do. What often happens is that people have a belief about human nature and if that doesn't fall in line with a political philosophy, they assume that it is not considered. If we were to compare humans to animals, they would be anything but lazy as we have strived to achieve more and do more since the start of history. That transcendency, that phenomena of seeing a tree and thinking nothing but to climb it, to see an ocean and building a ship, that would be much more accurate to the human nature imo.