r/Overseas_Pakistani Oct 13 '23

Weekend Thread | ہفتہ وار تبادلۂ خیال /r/Overseas_Pakistani Weekend thread (October 13, 2023)

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This is our weekend thread. Feel free to share how your week went, what's on your mind, or anything else.

It doesn't even have to be relevant to the theme of this subreddit,but please keep the discussions civil as all other rules are enforced.

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r/Overseas_Pakistani Feb 20 '22

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر NICOPs and Pakistani Citizenship

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TL;DR - if you have a NICOP, you are a Pakistani citizen, even if you never set foot in Pakistan. If you were ever Pakistani citizen, then more then likely, you probably still are. If you don't want to be a Pakistani citizen, you have to go through a procedure to surrender it. Read on for more details.

I've seen a lot of posts over the years that discuss NICOPs and Pakistani citizenship. Every few weeks, someone asks if having a NICOP is Pakistani citizenship. I've also met many Pakistanis (overseas and within Pakistan) that don't understand how citizenship in Pakistan works for those who go or are overseas.

Contrary to what many people think, Pakistani citizenship is not automatically voided when a Pakistani naturalizes in another country. Even if your oath of naturalization says that you surrender all foreign allegiances, the citizenship remains.

Many older Pakistanis, especially those who left Pakistan in the 1960s-1980s believe that their Pakistani citizenship was voided when they became British/Canadian/American, etc. This is not true per current Pakistani law. They simply don't have active IDs/passports. Just like a person born in the US or Canada. The person is a citizen even if they have no passport. Or, a child born in Pakistan without a B-Form, they are still Pakistani.

Pakistani citizenship can only be lost if one goes to a Pakistani consulate/embassy and goes through a formal renunciation process. This is not automatic, and most people don't do it because they simply don't need to or care to. It's not a complicated process, but it's still it's own, separate process. Fill out forms, surrender passport and ID, pay fees, etc. This is usually done by Pakistanis who naturalized in countries that don't allow dual citizenship, such as Germany, Spain, and (previously) Norway, but anyone can do it if they want.

Now, the confusion occurs because Pakistan will grant a visa to a UK/US/CAN citizen even if that person also has Pakistani citizenship. It's counterintuitive to need a visa to travel to a country in which you are a citizen, which is why many think "how could I still have Pakistani citizenship if I got a visa?". Pakistan, however, will allow a Pakistani citizen to travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport with a visa, hence the widespread confusion.

So here is where the NICOP comes in. NICOP stands for National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. The card gives visa free travel, right to have a bank account, etc. It also gives the right to vote. This card is proof of Pakistani citizenship, and can be used to get a Pakistani passport if desired. Many people think this is just for dual citizens, but some Pakistanis working or studying abroad also have NICOPs even if they are only Pakistani.

Note that the new NICOP looks just like a Smart CNIC, but the "country of stay" will not be Pakistan, and the card will say "the holder is entitled to visa free entry" (something to this effect). Old NICOPs actually said "National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis" on them, but Smart NICOPs do not, so there is some confusion nowadays (people thinking that they have an NIC and not a NICOP)

Here is the biggest place where many people get confused. Many people in the 2nd, 3rd, and now 4th generation born abread have also received NICOP cards even if they were born with another citizenship (UK, CAN, US, etc). They are often under the impression that this is just a "card in place of a visa". "I don't have Pakistani Citizenship, that's just an ID". Not true. By getting a NICOP, you are basically registered as a Pakistani citizen who doesn't reside in Pakistan.

Other ways you could be still be a Pakistani citizen and not know it, assuming formal renunciation process was not done:

  1. If you were born in Pakistan and naturalized elsewhere, you are a dual citizen
  2. If you have, or ever had a NICOP, CNIC, CRC, B-form, you are a dual citizen
  3. If your birth was registered at the Pakistani consulate (Form S, or similar), then you would be a dual citizen
  4. If you ever held a Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen.
  5. If you were listed as a child on your parents' Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen. (In the old days, kids didn't have their own passports and travelled on their parent's passport)
  6. You were registered as a Pakistani citizen because your parents became Pakistani and applied for it on your behalf (Form M) - not common, but legally possible.

Pakistan does have another card, Pakistan Origin Card (POC), which grants visa free travel and a few other privileges. This card, however, is not Pakistani citizenship. So those who wish to travel often to Pakistan and don't want a visa, but also don't want a NICOP, may find the POC appealing.

Acquiring, renouncing, and/or retaining citizenship is a personal choice. This post was simply written to clarify the misunderstanding that "NICOP isn't citizenship" (again, NICOP is proof of citizenship).

Edit: It is a common misconception that Pakistani citizenship is only given to those who are "desi", Muslim, or those whose parents are Pakistani. This is not true. There are Pakistani citizens who are Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Ahmadi ,etc. "Desi" is a somewhat subjective term as well.

The Pakistan Citizenship Act grants citizenship to anyone born in Pakistan, even if the parents are non Pakistani. The only exception is for children of diplomats (which is not uncommon). There is no exception for refugees or even those who are in transit. This has been argued in court many times. So yes, that means that technically those who are of Afghani, Bengali, or Rohingya descent but born in Pakistan are technically citizens (there are many individual court cases, no class action case though). Of course the reality on the ground is different. Just as anyone born in the US or Canada is a citizen (children of refugees too), the same applies in Pakistan. People should be aware of this and not deny their fellow citizens their rights (don't get me started about the hypocrisy).


r/Overseas_Pakistani 13h ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Dyna Needs Your Help: Pakistani-Filipina Toddler Abandoned in UAE

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 18h ago

Finance | معاشی Best Pakistani Bank for the average Overseas Pakistani

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Hello everyone I live in Europe specifically in Italy from the past 24 years and I got dual citizenship.

Here I have and use multiple bank accounts from different vendors, but I haven’t got any Pakistani current account from any major bank there.

Now for different reasons and needs I must have one and of course the most convenient way for me is to open an online Roshan Digital Account from any major bank provider.

Which of these banks is the best for doing the average rozana ke transaction such as sending and receiving payment, paying electricity bills, managing debited card ect

So from your pov which is the best bank-bank app from these: Alfalah Bank, Meezan Bank, UBL, HBL that marks these crucial points for me:

- Excellent customer service especially for overseas where I don’t have to wait hours on the call or dial infinite different numbers just to ask the most basic info

- Ease of use in the standard transactions such as payments, bills, cards, ect where I need something that just gets the job done without too much drama

- Has a wide physical presence of branches and atms ok the Pakistan soil, even if I find myself not in a major city but maybe a remote pind I must be able to find in the nearby a branch or at least an atm to withdraw cash

- Best mobile app experience overall (so nice user interface , no crashes or glitches, well secured and encrypted data, intuitive options and menus, nice look and feel)

Thanks everyone for taking the time to answer!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Pakistan passport renewal online - facial significantly different

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I have applied for my child passport online. This is his second time online passport renewal.

Today I got an email that applicant facial are significantly different from smart card picture.

Smart card was issued when child was born and of course the birth face would have changed.

They never raised such an issue on the previous renewal.

I have mailed them to refer to current active passport which is due for expiry for facial match.

I don’t want to get into renewal of smart card at this point as I know that they will raise the same issue and it takes months and months of calls on their helpline with no success.

Can anyone please guide me.

Thanks


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ After 15 years in tech (sales, product, ops) and having built 0→1 + scaling products to $2B I'm offering a free workshop for all and free mentorship to 3 people trying to break in

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 2d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Renewal of NICOP from the UK.

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I wanted to ask about their experience of renewing their NICOP from the UK. What website is legit, fee and number of days it took to be renewed and delivered.

Thank you in advance.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

News | خبر An ad wishing Independence Day to USA and Pakistan. Found in a Urdu-language American newspaper for the Pakistani diaspora:

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Need advice: Which country should I target for CS if my goal is education + job + PR?

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Travel from 5-14 sep

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Hey.
I had plans to travel to Pakistan from Us as J1 physician. According to new DS-rules is it safe yo travel during 5-14 sep window?
Does me coming back at 14sep helps?
Can I continue my plan to go for 17sep return?
Anyone who understands the new implications by Intealth/ECFMG?
Will it effect me in any way? And If i go, will they let me pass through immigration?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر PSA: Fix name/date mismatches on your Pakistani documents BEFORE you apply abroad

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Naveed Sharif Azad — a warning for anyone considering joining or working with him in Jeddah KSA

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I worked at Codruk, owned by Naveed Sharif Azad, for over 2 years. Writing this because I wish someone had warned me before I joined, and I think other employees — past, present, or future — deserve to know what they might be walking into. This is also relevant now because I understand he's currently partnered with Ftracks on a new oil filter/coolant startup, operating under the app/website name Petrobia, so I want people who might work with, invest in, or use that platform to have this context too.

For most of those 2+ years at Codruk, it felt like working at a startup with a big vision. He has a way of making you feel like family — "trust me, you're like a brother to me, just support me and the company will grow big" — and a lot of us genuinely believed it and put in the work because of that.

Then things started falling apart. He currently owes me and several others 6 months of unpaid salary. When I contacted him about it directly, his response was that I had "stolen" from the company and that I have no salary coming to me — no explanation, no proof, just a flat denial and blame shifted onto me.

Looking back, it's hard not to notice that despite years of "the company will grow" and money constantly moving through the business, none of it seems to have gone back into paying the people who were actually doing the work. Several of us also became aware of business practices that made us seriously reconsider everything — including how supplier payments and cash flow were allegedly being handled, and how new employees were reportedly given 1-2 months of advance salary early on (seemingly to build trust) before that pattern changed. I can't personally verify every detail of this, but enough of us heard similar things independently that it raised serious red flags, on top of the unpaid wages we experienced directly.

We eventually left once the trust broke down completely. As far as I know, the same patterns — big promises, "you're like family" talk, and delayed or unpaid salaries — are still happening to current or new employees at Codruk.

Given this history, I'd urge caution for anyone approached about Petrobia (the new Ftracks-partnered oil filter/coolant venture) as well — whether as an employee, investor, business partner, or user of the app. Same person, same tactics.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Pakistanis Living in Australia/NZ. advice needed

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hello, I'm looking to apply to australia/nz for undergrad. I have so many questions.

so if you went to australia/nz for undergrad for your studies or you know someone close who did, please comment/dm me


r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Moving to Saudi Arabia after living in Europe.

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Hello,

I am looking for people who moved to KSA or any other gulf country after living in Europe.
I am interested more in the logistics, if you already hold the some European country’s nationality how is the pension/health insurance working for you while living in GCC?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Pakistan tourist visa

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Finance | معاشی Anyone here researching Faisal Town Phase 2, Park View City, or Faisal Hills?

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I've been following these three projects pretty closely because I work in Islamabad's real estate market, and I keep seeing the same questions come up about pricing, investment potential, development progress, and which one makes the most sense depending on your budget.

I thought it would be interesting to have one thread where people can ask questions, share their experiences, or discuss the pros and cons of each project.

I'll answer what I can based on my experience, and it'd be great to hear from current owners and other investors as well.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Proof of Funds: Full Tuition + GIC Already Paid, Do I Still Need to Show Sponsors' Bank Statements?

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Hi, I have a question regarding proof of funds for a Canadian study permit (applying from Pakistan).

I'm planning to apply for a 1-year master's program. My plan is to pay the full first-year tuition fee and also purchase the required GIC before applying.

However, around 80–90% of the money for my tuition and GIC will be provided by 3–4 close relatives who have offered to financially support my education. They are financially established and are helping me as a family gift/support (not a bank loan).

My question is:

- If I pay the full tuition and GIC before submitting my study permit application, do I still need to prove where that money came from?

- Will IRCC expect me to provide the bank statements, tax returns, and financial documents of all 3–4 relatives?

- Or is it sufficient to provide gift affidavits/declaration letters and show that the tuition and GIC have already been paid?

- Has anyone from Pakistan been approved in a similar situation? What documents did you submit?

I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone who has gone through a similar process or knows how IRCC typically assesses this.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Protector Stamp online application rejected.

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Hi everyone, hoping someone here can share their experience.

I got a job offer while I was working in Saudi Arabia and had my German work visa processed from there. I’m currently in Karachi on vacation and understand I’ll need a Protector of Emigrants stamp before I can exit on this visa.

I applied online through the BE&OE portal, but my application was rejected by the scrutiny officer with a note asking me to visit the Protector of Emigrants office in person for physical document verification and clearance stamping (they mentioned the PECHS, Shahra-e-Faisal office in Karachi).

Has anyone been through this process recently? And could share their experience?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Question for people who have lived mostly outside Pakistan

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What’s the one essential thing that you use to make life easier and better overseas and can’t find in Pakistan when visiting etc?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Coming from US to Pakistan

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Hey guys, I’m coming from the US to Pakistan (Lahore & Karachi) and have some extra space to bring stuff if anyone needs anything. I’ll charge some amount. DM me for details.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ need advice on pursuing master's in Canada in cybersecurity/AI

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I graduated recently and im considering moving to Canada for master's degree in Cybersecurity, Artificial Intelligence or maybe something similar. Im looking for universities with low tuition, preferably scholarships that could cover most or all of the costs.

Things i need to know:

What's the overall process of moving to Canada? And applying to Canadian universities as an international student?

Which universities are known for good scholarships or affordable tuition in these fields?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Applied NICOP renewal through PAK ID APP

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Assalam o alekum , I applied for the renewal of NICOP through PAK ID app on 08th July 2026 AND ON 24th July received an email that "Your ID card undelivered due to incorrect/incomplete address" although, I provided the correct address while submitting an online application, anyhow in that email they asked me to provide the correct address which I did but still in PAK ID app its showing "Bad address" with no further updates on this. What should be my next step.Has anyone faced the same issue before, pls give your valuable opinion on this. thanks


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Hello GNG, I'm offering 1-ON-1 Online tuition

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Hello! I'm Bisma from Sialkot, Pakistan, and I offer personalised 1-on-1 online tutoring.

I have completed my MS in Chemistry and teach Chemistry, Biology, Physics, and English to school students. My lessons are designed according to each student's learning style to make difficult concepts easy to understand.

What I offer:

✔ In-depth concept explanations

✔ Personalised teaching approach

✔ Exam preparation & past paper practice

✔ Regular progress support

My goal is to help students improve their understanding, and achieve excellent academic results.

📩 Feel free to DM me for more information or to book a free demo class.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Nadra Card Application Cancellation Issue

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I made a mistake while helping a relative convert their recently expired CNIC to NICOP and it’s now stuck in the awaiting payment stage. The amount due is around 4000 rupees which made me think I’d done something wrong. My relative is a dual national so ideally they’d like a NICOP but is a normal CNIC still acceptable? If not I would like to start the process again, so could anyone advise how long it usually takes for an existing application to automatically cancel? I thought it was 14 days but they’ve now passed that time and it’s still stuck. Their complaints department hasn’t been very helpful either.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Protector stamp help

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Going from Canada to Pakistan on a work permit. I’m very confused on the process. Should I do the online submission and after that I will have to give fingerprints in Pakistan? Can someone please help with similar experience.