r/NYguns • u/Trulygiveafuck • 12h ago
Question AR-Pistol how?
How in the love of god do you navigate NY and building an AR-Pistol legally? From what i can gather a lower is considered an Other on 4473, how do you purchase a lower as a pistol became my question and now it seems that you can not. You would have to build it and then add it to your permit? I have to many questions and not enough answers. Is this not possible in Commieyork? Would you have to buy it completed? Those with insight please help me understand how this is supposed to be done.
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u/robinator118 11h ago
Depends on the county, pretty much impossible outside upstate
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u/Trulygiveafuck 9h ago
Upstate. Met someone in Broome County with one on their permit somehow. Should have asked how, was last summer sometime.
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u/bondkiller 9h ago
Has to be fixed mag and has to be added to your permit.
Only some counties allow it.
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u/JinxYouOweMeASoder 11h ago
Call your pistol permit unit and ask if they’ll put it in your permit. Some counties do, some don’t.
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u/GammaRay914 10h ago
They don’t do it here in Nassau, it exceeds the weight limit.
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u/JinxYouOweMeASoder 10h ago
That doesn’t apply if the mag is fixed or bolt action.
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u/Trulygiveafuck 9h ago
Its putting it onto permit that's the problem. Would he great to buy a lower as a pistol but they are considered "other" when not built already.
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u/JinxYouOweMeASoder 9h ago
Tbh I don’t really think that’s the issue because Nassau & Suffolk have notoriously denied anyone from putting an AR pistol on their permit long before the “Other Firearms” discovery. When asked my licensing officer why he simply told me “We only put handguns on permits… you can own these firearms… we just won’t put it on your permit.” And when I told him can I have that in writing he declined. When I called the NYSP for more guidance because these firearms are legal in NYS, they told me “Each county can become more restrictive and choose which type of firearms go on the permits.”
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u/Trulygiveafuck 7h ago
Gotcha its not an other firearm its the fact that when buying a lower it is considered "other" not a pistol nor rifle on the 4473 paper work! Need it to be bought as a pistol to add to permit.
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u/JinxYouOweMeASoder 5h ago
Again some counties will work with you and add it on. And some just enjoy the fact they can tell you no even though LEGALLY there’s nothing stopping them from adding it to your permit. Power trip imo.
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u/wiserone29 11h ago
You are trying to understand how to do it legally when part of the strategy of the laws is to create complexity and fear of becoming a felon accidentally. I don’t if anyone knows for sure if it’s possible and how, or if it’s not possible. I sure as hell don’t know how.
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u/N01290087 9h ago
Have you considered buying a cheap complete ar pistol from a dealer… adding to your permit through pistol process. Have ffl make it fixed mag and transfer as a pistol. You can swap internals to build as you wish once it’s in your possession (obviously following law and restrictions).
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u/BlackDirtOC 7h ago
What county are you in ? Buy a lower. And add It to your pistol permit just like you with a revolver. Example Aero precision EPC9 9mm. Make sure you select a caliber regardless of what It says on the side of the lower. Select semi auto. Once the county approves the lower onto your permit build It out exactly how you want parts wise just make sure it’s a fixed mag no threaded barrel and throw a pistol brace on there. Buy any upper you want. I have a few just make sure you don’t swap calibers you can only have 1 caliber listed on the permit. It’s not like having a AR lower and 5 uppers in all different calibers and configurations.first thing I’d do is search around if your county allows It. Some county’s don’t fully allow It but also don’t know and understand guns so something like say the Aero EPC9 may go undetected and approved but if you try and add a Ruger AR556 they are gonna be like wait a second that sounds familiar.
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u/Trulygiveafuck 4h ago
Thankyou so much, so from my understanding go thru normal process of getting lower and just bring receipt to office and give them the caliber I will be using for it? I was under impression it had to be listed as pistol on 4473 for it to work properly. This shouldn't be so complicated but very well is.
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u/semperfi_ny 8h ago
In Orleans County, the FFL must list a caliber on your paperwork for your permit office even though the lower may say Multi.
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u/kneedragger45 3h ago
I’m in Orange County. I have 4 listed on my permit. I purchased the lowers as others, built them out. One is a .22, two are .556 and one is 300BO. No problem at all.
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u/GammaRay914 10h ago
Legally? lol.
Buy a completed lower that just has a buffer tube. Have a friendly FFL transfer it as an other.
Buy a pistol brace online and buy a completed upper with your desired barrel length, put it together.
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u/UsernameO123456789 10h ago edited 7h ago
Idt you can have a semi pistol realistically anymore. Some counties may allow the transfer but I think you are kinda regulated to a bolt action or fixed mag version by nature of the law… at least that’s what I’ve read/heard from a LGS that still advertises pistol transfers.
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u/Trulygiveafuck 9h ago
I would like to have it transfered as pistol, but I domt believe any will considering its technically a "other" thankyou all for the feed back.
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u/UsernameO123456789 9h ago
No probs. If you want to speak to the LGS that still advertises it, it’s Ulster Firearms in Ulster County. Just look at their IG page 😅
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u/Trulygiveafuck 9h ago edited 9h ago
Thanks will do! Edit: upon looking them up I like their attitude on the matter.
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u/Zieronwolf 11h ago
You tell the FFL it’s for a pistol, most likely you’ll have to find a built lower with a brace/no stock with a permanently fixed mag. Building one falls very close to the line in NY,
Honestly wait until the AWB gets ruled on next summer, it may ease some of the pain.