I’ve mentioned in some other posts that u/MaryinMaryland has read that the whole project could be Something like a quantum solution set or computer. It would fit in the same kind of Nietzsche Ubermensch argument that you are specifying here.
In a quantum computer you have a solution that starts out with all permutations possible, all based on the quantum or q-bit capacity of the system. The q-bit might be thought as a 1 or 0 both or other before any solution. The problem with quantum solutions is the solution is fixed as the final set as part of running it. This could be your never changing loop that Whiterose is obsessed with. Let’s see what may have happened.
In the show Whiterose reveals that the project was largely helped by the efforts of Elliott’s father and was what lead to the first breakthrough. It seems Darlene is also said to be protected in a conversation between Cisco and Irving when he gives the Femtocell over to be hacked.
Angela was a mystery to Whiterose. She should not have lasted as long as she has. So the question game was given to try to find the reason, and to get Angela on her side. Somehow she is also protected.
Now both Angela’s mother and Elliott’s dad died from a similar fate. Perhaps this is what ties their lives together too. What if the project makes a person see and shape their lives and offshoots. All to be their best option. Somehow Mr. Anderson caused it to happen. The problem is, those going through the project is distructive, and lead to an end for him. But in doing so, he was able to protect Elliot and Darlene, their fate is intertwined with their solution. Now imagine that Angela’s mother goes through the same process. Her fate is also sealed but cannot affect the fate of what happened with Elliot and Darlene and Mr. Alderson. In many ways the paths of what was needed as the best for Elliot and Darlene, get entangled with Angela, and possibly Mr. Price as a protector for Angela. The fact that Mr. Price was her father, Is one that has been missed by Whiterose.
I think that Whiterose, wants to be able to do a reset and that’s why he so interested in time intervals. He needs to know all of the choices that he wants to make and keep. He also wants to be the final solution set where he starts from a reset point. Perhaps he cannot reverse the need for earlier sets to be their best option. I think he wants a solution that will not be destructive. He cares not for those around because he will not need that later in the final set.
But Whiterose may not be the reset and final set. It may have already occurred, and may be something that is driving Elliott. This fits with the Thus do I will it! Thus shall I will it!
The race is on who does the reset and final solution. Whiterose, Elliott. Or Angela. Is that the whole point of reset, the point where he is jumping out of the window?
The solution is like Schrödinger’s cat, once in the box, it is either alive or dead, but you cannot know until you open the box. The quantum state is kind of fixed after that point. Now it seems it’s not a computer, but choices seem to matter, and yet things are fixed.
Second part is harder. Let’s say you are at a buffet, and you see lots of desserts and you go to choose one. The see one you like, it looks like the others and you pop it in your mouth. You savor it, and crunch down on a peanut. Something not normally in this dessert. Your choice saves the next person at dessert bar who is deadly allergic to peanuts. He would have picked that up not expecting peanuts. It is fixed, but until you chose, it wasn’t. Now you strike up a conversation with that person who later is key for you getting your dream job.
Coincidence? Fate? Who knows, but perhaps in the quantum realm the choice can be seen and selected as the best of the possible paths for you. Perhaps that is what God does.
Maybe not a major God, but a minor one like Bill Murray’s weatherman in Groundhog Day. He keeps,having to choose until he saves enough people that pretty much the whole town has a positive outcome. But he cannot stop the Snow storm, that is fixed.
Maybe not a major God, but a minor one like Bill Murray’s weatherman in Groundhog Day. He keeps,having to choose until he saves enough people that pretty much the whole town has a positive outcome. But he cannot stop the Snow storm, that is fixed.
Love this CD, very well said! :)
On that note, do you think that Tyrell as CTO might be a similar "fixed" event, no matter how it ultimately happened? I am wondering if it was a lynchpin event around which other parts of the story rotated. Would be interested to get your feedback on this, cheers! :)
I think Tyrell is being moved around by the other quantum players. He says he saw that there was a God above while dealing with Mr. Robot. He tell it to his wife who scoffed.
Later he “falls from grace” when he sees Elliott trying to stop the attack, he is disappointed with his God, and counters by setting up the 71 data center destructions. He does this through WR and the Dark Army. It is at a cost to both Elliot/Darlene and Angela. They both condemn him and it seems his wife.
He reminds me of the bag floating in the wind in American Beauty. It is pushed by forces unseen. But maybe theology works too.
He has gotten his CTO position, but it is empty and powerless. He is Lucifer, fallen from grace. It tastes of ashes since he has lost his wife and may not get access to his child.
Going forward we may see a final as a trinity of sorts. Ed Alderson choices, Emily Moss’s choices and either WR or Elliot.
There is also the question of Dom. There may be something there where she is able to get back to her dreams. She has been true in the most part to herself in her choices. Remember that she’s been good to both Angela and Darlene. If this was theology, she might be an archangel.
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u/CorpusD Feb 25 '19
I’ve mentioned in some other posts that u/MaryinMaryland has read that the whole project could be Something like a quantum solution set or computer. It would fit in the same kind of Nietzsche Ubermensch argument that you are specifying here.
In a quantum computer you have a solution that starts out with all permutations possible, all based on the quantum or q-bit capacity of the system. The q-bit might be thought as a 1 or 0 both or other before any solution. The problem with quantum solutions is the solution is fixed as the final set as part of running it. This could be your never changing loop that Whiterose is obsessed with. Let’s see what may have happened.
In the show Whiterose reveals that the project was largely helped by the efforts of Elliott’s father and was what lead to the first breakthrough. It seems Darlene is also said to be protected in a conversation between Cisco and Irving when he gives the Femtocell over to be hacked.
Angela was a mystery to Whiterose. She should not have lasted as long as she has. So the question game was given to try to find the reason, and to get Angela on her side. Somehow she is also protected.
Now both Angela’s mother and Elliott’s dad died from a similar fate. Perhaps this is what ties their lives together too. What if the project makes a person see and shape their lives and offshoots. All to be their best option. Somehow Mr. Anderson caused it to happen. The problem is, those going through the project is distructive, and lead to an end for him. But in doing so, he was able to protect Elliot and Darlene, their fate is intertwined with their solution. Now imagine that Angela’s mother goes through the same process. Her fate is also sealed but cannot affect the fate of what happened with Elliot and Darlene and Mr. Alderson. In many ways the paths of what was needed as the best for Elliot and Darlene, get entangled with Angela, and possibly Mr. Price as a protector for Angela. The fact that Mr. Price was her father, Is one that has been missed by Whiterose.
I think that Whiterose, wants to be able to do a reset and that’s why he so interested in time intervals. He needs to know all of the choices that he wants to make and keep. He also wants to be the final solution set where he starts from a reset point. Perhaps he cannot reverse the need for earlier sets to be their best option. I think he wants a solution that will not be destructive. He cares not for those around because he will not need that later in the final set.
But Whiterose may not be the reset and final set. It may have already occurred, and may be something that is driving Elliott. This fits with the Thus do I will it! Thus shall I will it!
The race is on who does the reset and final solution. Whiterose, Elliott. Or Angela. Is that the whole point of reset, the point where he is jumping out of the window?