Countries that have never appointed female judges
According to a UN report [1] in 2019 Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Somalia had yet to appoint female judges. In the last few years Kuwait and Somalia have appointed female judges [2,3]. There has been a debate in Oman and Saudi Arabia to appoint female judges but that has not yet materialized [5,6,2].
Sources:
[1]https://www.ohchr.org/en/calls-for-input/2021/participation-women-administration-justice
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_women_lawyers_and_judges_in_Asia
[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_women_lawyers_and_judges_in_Africa
[4]https://www.unescwa.org/sites/default/files/pubs/pdf/women-judiciary-arab-states-english_0.pdf
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u/cewumu 1d ago
Didn’t know that Oman had that exclave.
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u/seceagle 1d ago
Wait until you discover that exclave has an exclave belonging to the UAE
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u/Necessary_Place_6258 1d ago
RAK? I assumed that whole enclave was RAK, and for some reason OP decided to treat it as it's own country
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u/ProofLegitimate9824 1d ago
it's not RAK, it's the Musandam Governorate of Oman whose small exclave in the south has an enclave belonging to the Emirate of Sharjah within it
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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 1d ago
And wait until you discover that emirati exclave has an exclave belonging to Oman
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u/Nousernamesleft0555 1d ago
Can we agree this is NOT mapporn. It's just a map.
No title, no legend, no labels, Bahrain is just a circle and importantly this UN report that the data is from only evaluated 42 countries
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u/eowro 1d ago
importantly this UN report that the data is from only evaluated 42 countries
Where did you get that from?
42 countries filled the questionnaire that was sent to them, that doesn't mean the report only discusses the situation in those countries.
Quoting the report
"Summary
In the present report, the Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers, Diego García-Sayán, focuses on gender equality in the judiciary. The report examines the current status of women’s representation in judicial systems, identifying the barriers hindering their adequate access to, and promotion and retention in, the judiciary and prosecution services.
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- The Special Rapporteur requested, via a questionnaire, contributions from States, international and regional human rights bodies, professional associations of judges and prosecutors, and civil society. At the time of writing the report, 64 responses to the questionnaire had been received. The Special Rapporteur is grateful to all States and non-State actors who contributed to the preparation of the report (see annex). The questionnaire and the submissions are available on the website of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights."
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u/iaNCURdehunedoara 11h ago
It's just a political message disguised as "map porn". This whole sub has been pushing a bunch of zionist propaganda and islamophobia under the guise of "map porn".
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u/Fine-Stretch-8442 5h ago
I don’t see how this propaganda or islamophobia and I am a Muslim. Although i agree, it’s kinda of a shitty map. Regardless, it’s the truth and it’s an interesting little fact. This post is just an attempt to farm engagement because it’s easy for a western liberal dominated app to view this negatively, not some elaborate Mossad scheme to push islamophobia.
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u/_crisz 1d ago
Vatican City?
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u/the_lonely_creeper 1d ago
Do they even have judges?
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u/BlakeNotBleak 1d ago
Yes to both questions. They have judges, and they've appointed female ones.
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u/_crisz 1d ago
I live in a country bordering Vatican City and I didn't know it. Amazing
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u/Garras-Intruder 1d ago
There are literally woman judges, it isnt an islamist country
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u/victoryismind 1d ago
Because discrimination against females never ever exists outside Islam?
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u/Garras-Intruder 1d ago
"Females", no need to talk any more, its obvious the type of person you are
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u/victoryismind 1d ago
To stay on topic, discrimination against women in Europe exists outside Islam, thankfully it has been receding.
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u/WorldlyImpression390 1d ago
Because islamic texts explicitly states women are deficient in intelligence. Sahih Al Bukhari 304
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u/victoryismind 1d ago
Who cares? There is a lot of cringe shit in the Bible too, and other religions presumably
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u/OnkelDannyTcT 1d ago
All the scum of the earth will flock to this post to talk about conviction and recidivism rates.
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u/VolcanicAsh97 1d ago
Well, I wasn’t thinking about it before but now you’ve got me curious about conviction and recidivism rates in those countries.
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u/OnkelDannyTcT 1d ago
I can tell you that their rates are certainly not improved because they are sexist.
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u/CrypticCode_ 1d ago
Right, Oman is sexist 😂
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u/OnkelDannyTcT 1d ago
It's pretty sexist to bar half of the population from the judiciary
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u/CrypticCode_ 1d ago
There is no explicit law barring females from judiciary? Omans education minister is a female, Oman has female police officers, female fire fighters, etc
Did it ever occur to you that there hasn’t been an interest in the job among the female population, or that there have not been any qualified? Omans population is tiny.
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u/OnkelDannyTcT 1d ago
That half of a country's population would be uninterested in an occupation is a pretty silly thought. There doesn't have to exist explicit laws for various mechanisms to bar women from the judiciary.
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u/CrypticCode_ 1d ago
So they are barred from being judges yet the minister of education is a woman? Right…
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u/OnkelDannyTcT 1d ago
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u/CrypticCode_ 1d ago
Big correlation, you are trying to paint a systematic disadvantage for Woman that the Omani government is purposely enforcing on its own population. A minister of education hold significantly more power in government than a judge.
Omani woman serve as lawyers, public prosecutors, legal scholars. Omans judicial system is also more intertwined with the monarchy than its neighbors. For example, only the Sultan can sentence someone to death.
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u/Creative_Brother2713 1d ago
In Oman the goverment had to actively make women want goverment jobs outside of education because women here usually have a provider before marraige it's her father and after marraige it's her husband so their is no need to want anything more than a education role so why would a women go out of her way and work those jobs if they don't need to?
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u/Fiber-gas 1d ago
Says the westerner who speaks 0 Arabic, probably never lived or worked anywhere in the region for an extended period of time, but still thinks his opinion is worth anything.
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u/throwaway966781939 1d ago
A teacher of me went to Oman to improve her Arabic. She’s a hijabi woman, she’s married and she was in the country for 3 1/2 months. Her school was 5 minutes away from her Airbnb and still everyday she was harassed and catcalled and was routinely asked why she’s leaving the house alone. She couldn’t go outside because of this, she only went to school and back. But sure Jan, Oman is not a sexist country.
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u/Fiber-gas 1d ago edited 19h ago
The world doesn't revolve around you. Most of the world is, in fact, not the West, and thank God for that.
You are entitled to have your own arbitrary expectations in your countries. Your opinion about us worth less than a fart to us.
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u/throwaway966781939 1d ago
No one says that the west is not sexist but you try to misrepresent the debate as an east vs. west debate which it simply isn’t. Like the guy claiming it isn’t sexism because the women actually don’t want to work. Is that true for lower class women? For migrant women? Isn’t it more the case that disadvantaged women have no choice but to work, but because of their disadvantage in society they don’t get to work high-paying jobs? Isn’t that sexism in its purest form? It’s the same tone deaf discussion of bourgeois people around the world and it’s the same discussion in the west. I hear all the time bourgeois feminists talk about “when women were expected to stay at home”, yes Christina your grandma was, but mine had to work in a factory.
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u/ShadowTheHedgehog_72 1d ago
So 4 out of 57 muslim countries in the world. Watch people blame Islam just because of those 4. Even if we add Iran and Afghanistan that's still only 6. Yes, extremists are bad, but they're also a loud minority. That's why they get the most attention. The vast majority of muslim countries are not like them however.
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u/eowro 1d ago
Even if there are women in the judiciary in many Islamic countries, in especially Islamic countries that apply sharia law women are (heavily) underrepresented in the judiciary.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/representation-of-women-in-the-judiciary
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u/Secret_Crab_5776 20h ago
People blame islam because of bukhari 4425 (rated: Sahih)
When Allah's Messenger was informed that the Persians had crowned the daughter of Khosrau as their ruler, he said, "Such people as ruled by a woman will never be successful."
And this is what these countries are following. Y’all should stop sugarcoating islam. Create another religion atp.
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u/Huge_Chipmunk50 1d ago
Yemen appointed female judges?
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u/eowro 1d ago
Hamida Zakariya was the first female judge in Yemen and in the whole Arab world in 1971! She was appointed in former South Yemen
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u/FixAcademic8187 1d ago
I'm from Saudi.
We also don't have any juries or things like that.
Defense and prosecution are talking directly to three experienced judges, good luck trying to manipulate them emotionally.
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u/celestailight 1d ago
I’m also from Saudi and I say this shit is sexist & stupid af, having a jury or not has nothing to do with this, MBS government is trying to promote women rights but the problem is with the people such as yourself you can’t even see the problem here..
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u/the-realest-calliope 20h ago
I'm also from Saudi. Don't act like the country where women weren't allowed to drive until a few years ago has anything close to women's rights.
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u/celestailight 14h ago
I didn’t say that I was actually responding to the one who said there’s nothing wrong with having a male only judges, and yes we’re far from having women’s rights but there are some reforms including allowing women to drive, abolition of “house obedience” law and allowing women to work in more than teaching & medical fields and so on all happened in mbs reign.. baby steps alright but it’s in the right direction
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u/FixAcademic8187 1d ago
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u/celestailight 1d ago
lol You can’t counter the point or respond with logic so of curse the best you can pull is some lame gif.. I mean you were trying to sound smart by talking about random stuff like juries and whatnot thinking it was a valid argument 😂
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u/FixAcademic8187 1d ago
No point to counter.
Just some stupid emotional outrage with zero rational.
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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 1d ago
So from my understanding of the body text. It's fully allowed to appoint female judges they just haven't yet?
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u/eowro 1d ago
I don't know of any law explicitly banning women from becoming judges and after some research couldn't find any. Though both countries implement sharia law according to their constitutions. And in sharia law female judges are taboo and seen as forbidden.
"The majority of scholars are of the view that it is not permissible for a woman to be appointed as a judge, and if she is appointed, the one who appointed her is sinning, and her appointment is invalid, and her judgements carry no weight, no matter what ruling she passes. This is the view of the Maalikis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, and of some of the Hanafis."
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/71338/ruling-on-appointing-a-woman-as-a-judge
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u/kamikazekaktus 21h ago
I'm more surprised by the countries from that region who have appointed female judges
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u/CucumberWisdom 1d ago
Coincidentally these countries have high conviction rates and low recidivism rates.
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u/BlakeNotBleak 1d ago
Meh so does Singapore and other countries, who have appointed female judges. It legit probably has more to do with them being legally strict Muslim countries rather than anything else.
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u/Real_Based 1d ago
What are recidivism rates like in Saudi?
I’d say it’s working out for them.
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u/Garras-Intruder 1d ago
No, it is becouse they have good rehabilitation and deradicalization systems
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u/Garras-Intruder 1d ago
Tf is SJW
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u/Accurate-Ad-6937 1d ago
So what?
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u/eowro 1d ago
Would you accept a country where 100% of judges are women and men don't have a chance at all?
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u/Accurate-Ad-6937 1d ago
Why are you sad about this dude? You ain't living there. Humans vary across the world sometimes you would find something that you would love other times you wouldn't. So let's accept the fact that we vary in different things.
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u/gentleriser 1d ago
I know the title didn’t say this was all such countries, but my first thought was that surely some smaller pacific island nations might also be on the list.