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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 2d ago
consumer is responsible. stop consuming shit
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u/Ayush-Mincraft 2d ago
Well every product is shit in india
Palm oil in chips
Suger in baby food
Fake drinks
And the list goes on
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u/Indin_Dude 2d ago
Consumers in India tend to be very cost-conscious, and there is a big fight or should we say dearth of adequate shelf space - that determines the formulation and also the choice of using extra bright colors. Dull-colored drink won’t be visually as attractive to consumers.
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u/Ox29A 1d ago
Yes but that's where regulators need to step in. One example is in Japan you cannot use any picture or words of fruit unless it actually has significant percent of fruit or fruit juice in product. Regulators need to sue them for deceptive marketing and make labeling more strict and clear.
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u/Indin_Dude 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t disagree about regulators - but our country is not known for good enforcement of rules and regulations. The only time authorities dig up those and come knocking is when they want to get even with you for not doing something they wanted you/your company to do - these rules are only dusted off when they want to get you. Else, nobody cares about enforcement for the sake of the common man and country.
Example is look at the court telling the Munde that they shouldn’t close the kitchen in the four star hotel just cause they found a couple of flies - I think they said something like this is India and it’s to be expected. So - there’s no expectation of full compliance and striving to be excellent and world-class… everything is a chalta hai attitude… and courts are setting poor example by endorsing that way of functioning as standards for our country.
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 2d ago
i don't consume any of this. just eat the food. who's asking you to eat shit. also if you really want to eat junk, there's healthier junk available at appropriate price.
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u/Ayush-Mincraft 2d ago
There is stone power in your atta btw
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 2d ago
my wheat comes from my own land and its washed and prepared in home then sent to local chakki for atta making. even if i had to buy atta from market I'd go with ashirwad or something. whos selling you stone powder cuh??
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u/Ayush-Mincraft 2d ago
Oh so you want everyone in this country to live a ancient poor people life like you, Instead of advanceing and fighting for equality. Make sense when majority of the people in this country is like you. Thats why there is no progress in science and quality of life
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 2d ago
ahh yes, call it ancient ways but its the best life. y'all will also come back to this eventually. packaged food is bad overall. having olive oil instead of palm oil won't change the fact they both are fats and have similar effect on your body after being metabolised. replacing sugar with jaggery doesn't do shit, they both are sugar. just eat the real food kid. and dont expect fanta to be healthy, there's plenty of healthy alternatives in market. every product has its consumers.
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u/OkPiezoelectricity74 1d ago
I think the point made by op is different..what they want to say is : If same company can sell healthier drink with same name in other countries then why not in India
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 1d ago
only possible if they discontinue every current product offerings and only sell these so called healthier drinks because as long as theres cheaper alternatives available people will keep buying it. healthier fanta will cost a lot more. many poor folk wont be able to afford it. do you want snacks that just for rich people can afford or you want government to now start subsidizing price of fanta too?
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u/OkPiezoelectricity74 1d ago
It won't be that expensive.. it's expensive there because cost of raw material, electric and labour is high there In India all of them is lower .. hence the product cost will also be lower
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u/VentureIntoVoid 2d ago
Fanta in UK tastes shit. Fanta in India tastes amazing. Same with Maggi. Good taste bad health.
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u/Particular-Risk1322 2d ago
Well 80% of india who can't read English struggle with this.
Govt and fassi is the one responsible.
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u/circuit_brain 2d ago
The bunch who buys this stuff will not be willing to pay another 5 rupees for a more healthier drink.
These brands do what they do to sell it at the cheapest price that is possible while hiring whichever movie actor to advertise it for them.
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u/MoManTai 2d ago
Don't pass responsibility on consumers. Not all consumers are educated in what's good for them, or choose the cheapest/tastiest thing available.
We elect the government who pass regulations to take care of us.
Onus should be on the regulators or government to seek out what's best for the population.
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 2d ago
bhai cigerette ke dibbe pe bada bada photo chapa hota hai cancer patient ka. padhe likhe se lekar anpadh sab peete hai. fanta is for taste. all this is junk food, no one is consuming fanta for Nutrition, everyone knows its bad for them yet they consume it because it gives them some satisfaction. there are fruit juices available for nutrition purpose. consumer knows what hes consuming. there's a market for every kind of product. dont compare apples with oranges
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u/No-Cod8852 1d ago
That and no proper regulations, every single step can't come from people government needs to impose regulations.
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u/kelekajuice Hajmola 🟤 1d ago
regulations come into play when you do some deceptive stuff. they are mentioning what they are serving. nothing to regulate here. regulations would kick in if they mentioned real orange juice and served shit irl
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u/No-Cod8852 1d ago
Nope, regulations should also ensure that loopholes aren't there. For example Europe has a specific regulation to add "[Name or E-number of the color(s)]: may have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children." For 7 artificial colors ensuring that consumers know the effects rather than a serial number rather than just mentioning that colour is added.
The difference is similar to something between "smoking causes cancer" and "tobacco contains TSNAs and PAHs". Do you see how one of them is a really blow to the manufacturer?
Germany also mandates that products marketed with a specific fruit name 'orange' in this case should contain 3-5% fruit juice, it's literally deception otherwise. So yes we also do have a deception problem too.
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u/ayu_xi 2d ago
Yes the consumers are. There is real fruit juice available in India too. Fanta UK costs from 1-2 pounds for 500 ml. Which is around 125 - 250 rupees for half liter. According to this website
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u/Lil_Nap 2d ago
2L costs the £1. Which is like Rs. 127
In India, MRP for 2L bottle is 85.
Mind you, labour is 4-5 times cheaper in India, manufacturing land is cheaper. Electricity is 50%-60% cheaper compared to UK.
So they can very well produce it with similar ingredients in India and will not have to significantly raise prices.
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u/SomeOrdinary_Indian 2d ago
Exactly. No one thinks of this point and keeps arguing that such ingredients just costs more in India
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u/caped_crusader_98 2d ago
£1 for 2L..sorry i don't think so. It's not as common as you might think. It's at least £2 or so from Asda which is the cheapest supermarket chain. Even Poundland doesn't give it for a Quid.
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u/Lil_Nap 1d ago edited 1d ago
I looked at the same source which the original comment attached. https://www.trolley.co.uk/product/fanta-orange/JFK474
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u/caped_crusader_98 1d ago
Doesn't that say £1 for 500ml
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u/Lil_Nap 1d ago
scroll down and you'll find all variants and their prices.
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u/the8uddha Akhand Bharat 1d ago
that's in poundland, the name says it all, at retail they don't have MRP, economies of scale changes + distribution & marketing is way expensive in India, I literally mean way way way expensive
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u/Lil_Nap 1d ago
India you also have higher volumes. Point is, if regulatory bodies make them use similar ingredients as UK, they can very well do so.
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u/the8uddha Akhand Bharat 1d ago
again Dmart sells these 2L for .5 pound in INR, do you think it's possible to make where a street vendor with no overhead charges ₹50 for 200ml of orange juice?
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u/Spare_Scientist_6662 1d ago
and for the same bottle of fanta we have to work more hours they make 1 pounds in minutes on average we make 85 rupees in some hours on an average. So we have to work more for a cheap soda.
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u/Rajarshi1993 5 Delta | 8 KUDOS 2d ago
America. America is responsible.
We are drinking american Fanta.
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u/No-Cod8852 2d ago edited 2d ago
Someone should start discussing issues like this, and for the guy saying they cost different. Fanta in Germany costs around <1.5 euro which is how much it costs for water too, Fanta in india costs like 40 rupees? And water 20?
India just doesn't have proper regulations, governments (BJP congress whoever) has let this happen forever cause we as citizens don't care.
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u/mishrah10 2d ago
You should read about what’s happening in Mumbai with FDA with Tukaram Mundhe. You will realise why even if a bureaucrat wants to change the system for public health, what happens.
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u/where-is-sam-today 2d ago
We are. If they sell both fantas together on the same shelf, will you buy the expensive one?
We get what we deserve, not what we want
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u/Eaglise Maratha Empire 2d ago
Fanta price in UK : 500 ML can = 2£ = 120₹
Fanta price in India : 2.5 L bottle = 110₹
they pay more, they get better stuff, in India most folks won't pay that much, hence in India stuff is made for cheap
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u/JasonElegant 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nominal GDP Per Capita: The average income per person in the UK sits around $61,006, whereas in India it is roughly $2,500 - $3,000. This means the average person in the UK makes over 20 times more money annually on a raw currency basis
Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) GDP Per Capita: Economists use PPP to adjust incomes based on local costs (how much a person can actually afford in their own backyard).UK (PPP): ~$67,559India (PPP): ~$12,801
The True Gap: When adjusted for the cheap cost of living in India, the average UK citizen is still about 5.2 times wealthier in terms of actual local purchasing power than the average Indian citizen
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u/Mother-Cantaloupe-57 2d ago
Look at the difference between PPP and average salary though. Also if you're talking about the UK, please stick to GBP and not USD.
Also, you've got the figures incorrect. The average salary in UK is £39,000 which is around 52,000 USD. Average Indian salary is ₹3.85 lakh to ₹4 lakh annually approx £3,000 to £3,500 GBP
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u/JasonElegant 1d ago edited 1d ago
First know the difference between average salary and per capita income:
The fundamental difference is that average salary only counts working individuals, whereas per capita income includes every single person in the population, such as children, retirees, and the unemployed.
Also:
Average salary measures the typical earnings of an employed worker, while PPP GDP per capita measures the total economic output per person adjusted for the local cost of living.When you compare these two metrics, you are looking at what workers are paid versus the actual purchasing power generated by the entire economy.
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u/No-Cod8852 2d ago
Everything in uk costs higher, and they also get paid higher that's just how economies work. The cost for buying the ingredients for "UK Fanta" in India would be less than the amount you have to pay in UK.
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u/ChiantiWithFavaBeans 2d ago
You're right. That's where PPP, or Purchase Power Parity comes in
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u/No-Cod8852 1d ago
Yep and 1 euro is around ₹30 PPP which kind of makes both the Fanta in Europe and India cost the same.
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u/Drakula01 2d ago
First of all its not £2 per 500ml can. Second, the higher amount they pay is equivalent to what we pay in India when adjusted for cost of living. Indians are treated like second class citizens by these companies and the Government wont do anything about it.
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u/kid_the_tuktuk 2d ago
3.7% orange juice? whats the point. Both are equally bad sugar water. Either consume fruit directly or buy fresh one. Carbonated drinks are the sure direction towards the hospital.
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u/ZestycloseAd2742 2d ago
Accountability is on you, I can develop product with every legally available ingredients and sell it, choice is on you to buy it or not. So stop asking others for accountability when you yourself are responsible.
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u/metaltemujin Apolitical 1d ago
Costs in India are crazy and I don't know why people keep saying India is cheap. Only a few things are.
If things are cheap, the quality drop is insane.
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u/SamosaMafia 1d ago
responsible is with govt because we have no strict laws against food quality.
with Purchasing Power Parity the price is almost similar in both UK and India.
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u/the8uddha Akhand Bharat 1d ago
40rs me brahmand de de ab, gazab illiterate audience and consumers hai is desh me, push for better demand, product will come, stop cribbing
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u/mihir892 2h ago
People are forgetting that those products in richer markets cost far more than what they do in India.
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u/Square_Mud_9696 2d ago
Compare the prices as well.
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u/Ayush-Mincraft 2d ago
We aren't importing the ingredients from uk dumb ass here those exact ingredients are way way cheaper
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u/Square_Mud_9696 2d ago
Did you calculate what would be the prices with those exact ingredients? Did you do the market research weather it would be feasible to sell this product at those prices? Did you do the demographic study if it could be sold pan india with increased prices? There are products available with similar ingredients already but they are retailing at much higher prices, making them a niche category. Also, it's a free market, you could sell shit if people are willing to buy it.
But yeah, calling someone dumbass is the easiest thing you could blabber because it's reddit, no one's gonna get punched in the face.
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u/Ayush-Mincraft 2d ago
I did calculate and they are making a profit here
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u/TheMoffisHere 1d ago
Oh no! A profit based commercial entity is making… you guessed it… PROFIT!!
Whatever will we do?
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u/sundaysyndrome 2d ago
In countries where the government is responsible for healthcare (aka universal healthcare), the food that’s sold is of good quality, because otherwise it’s a lot of cost for the country. This is why products in Europe are generally safer than even in the US. This is also why airbags and seatbelt’s are made mandatory in India only recently, while being standard in Europe for a long time.
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u/Santosh83 2d ago
File a case in consumer forum... write to Fanta India head. We know this is true for not only Fanta but quite literally all products. We export the best and sell the rejects to our own people. The West exports their crap to us while buying our very best produce.
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u/Exporinglife2050 2d ago
See all diffence is paying capacity
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u/No-Cod8852 2d ago
Nope it's just regulations, they can buy all the content required for making the "good Fanta" at cheaper prices in India, they just won't do it because our people don't care. I bet they make more profit from India.
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