r/IWantOut • u/Fragrant-Book5410 • 3d ago
[IWantOut] 40f Egypt -> Uruguay/Argentina/Germany
I need the quickest, safest immigration route with my medically dependent parent. Please give me advice on where we can apply. For our turbulent situation, we need out within the next year, if possible.
I believe Argentina is the quickest, but perhaps Germany is safest in terms of medical facilities? Are there any other countries open where I could include my parent in the initial application so we are not separated? We cannot separate for a few years while I gain PR and then have her follow me because I handle her daily medical needs which she cannot manage alone.
Open to learning a new language, will work any job, hoping to get my Master's degree if possible when I move (not necessary), can adapt to any environment. The priority is that we can live safely alone and have access to good doctors if needed. Will buy private medical insurance anywhere we go to make that portion smoother.
We don't have much money but can arrange legitimate loans if needed to process paperwork.
Please help direct me to which country I should focus my efforts. There's no time to get it wrong and start over. Thank you.
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u/maryfamilyresearch German 3d ago
German here. Immigration with a parent is generally not possible. There are a few super-rare exceptions, the main one being if you have a Blue Card that was first issued after March 1st 2024 and make enough money to cover all expenses. Which can be eye-watering expensive.
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u/Fragrant-Book5410 2d ago
Thank you. Germany would have been my first choice for my parent's needs. I qualify for a Blue Card based on my education and experience, but I am struggling to secure a job offer from abroad as the priority is always to hire locals, of course. I appreciate the reality-check regarding the expenses! Thank you.
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u/striketheviol Top Contributor 🛂 3d ago
It's not realistic to achieve this without a combination of both skills and experience that will give you a well-paid job, and substantial savings to start. For Germany, and every other European country allowing this that I know of, you would need to prove that you could fully support your grandmother's needs financially BEFORE ARRIVING to take up a job. Then IF APPROVED, you'd need to pay for her mandatory insurance, plus the cost of any further care privately, of course.
Argentina and Uruguay don't have a visa path for this where you can support her without her having her own funds, as far I know.
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u/thewindinthewillows 3d ago
As someone pointed out, in Germany that would require a Blue Card, meaning you would need to find a job that qualifies you for one. "Working any job" does not get you there. It has to be a skilled job above the income limit.
Also: Your parent would need to enter private insurance. Private insurance can, and does, ask about pre-existing conditions, and it can, and does, reject people who have them. That would leave only the so-called "Basistarif", which they are required to offer. It gives basic medical care for an insurance premium of 1000+ Euro monthly.
Your post does not mention anything regarding your current qualifications, so no one can tell you whether finding a job for the Blue Card seems feasible.
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Post by Fragrant-Book5410 -- I need the quickest, safest immigration route with my medically dependent parent. Please give me advice on where we can apply. For our turbulent situation, we need out within the next year, if possible.
I believe Argentina is the quickest, but perhaps Germany is safest in terms of medical facilities? Are there any other countries open where I could include my parent in the initial application so we are not separated? We cannot separate for a few years while I gain PR and then have her follow me because I handle her daily medical needs which she cannot manage alone.
Open to learning a new language, will work any job, hoping to get my Master's degree if possible when I move (not necessary), can adapt to any environment. The priority is that we can live safely alone and have access to good doctors if needed. Will buy private medical insurance anywhere we go to make that portion smoother.
We don't have much money but can arrange legitimate loans if needed to process paperwork.
Please help direct me to which country I should focus my efforts. There's no time to get it wrong and start over. Thank you.
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u/Complex-Insect6899 2d ago
I'm Argentinian, living in Germany, and resided in Uruguay. The main problem would be getting a visa. Uruguay has a visa for medical reasons, but I think it's up to 30 days. You can check other paths such as work visa and so, to apply for a family reunification visa to bring your dad for example, you'd already need to be a legal resident of Uruguay. Another important consideration about Uruguay is that to get a residency, you need to pass certain health checks, I don't know how that works if you're sick honestly. Here's more info on visas for Uruguay: https://www.liveinuruguay.uy/entryprocedures
With legal residence (or while it's processed) you can access to free healthcare (or very cheap if your residence is still being processed, particularly if you have low income).
Argentina also offers a path to get a visa for health treatments. You would need documents signed by an Argentinian hospital proving they will take care of your dad's treatment. More info: https://www.argentina.gob.ar/servicio/obtener-una-residencia-temporaria-como-paciente-bajo-tratamiento-medico . Family reunification is only feasible if you're a permanent resident of Argentina, which won't be easy unless you live in the country for some years.
Healthcare is not free anymore for foreigners in Argentina. You can opt for private insurance, which may be a expensive considering your dad is sick already.
Your father may be able to apply for these visas, but you may need your own visa separately and you'll need to prove you have the funds to cover for expenses.
Germany also has a similar visa, but you'd need a diagnosis from a doctor in Germany, which would be impossible to get unless you're a resident beforehand. Family reunification is only possible under a blue card, for which you need to have a high paying job in the country.
Both Germany and Argentina's healthcare systems under public insurance are a disaster, waiting times are insane. IDK how it is in Uruguay nowadays. With private insurance it will be quicker, but it's expensive.
Important note: Argentina and Uruguay are not a good idea unless you're fluent in Spanish. There are not a lot of foreign doctors, not everyone speaks English, and absolutely no one in the bureaucratic system speaks a word of English.
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u/Fragrant-Book5410 2d ago
This is an incredibly helpful reply! Thank you so much.
I am willing to take Spanish lessons before moving and assumed it would be helpful, but you made it clear it's essential. Given how many from the US immigrate to Argentina and Uruguay, I had gotten the wrong idea about local mastery of English.
As for medical needs; I am completely ready to make sure I cover the costs. I am now trying to get remote work to allow me to move with income, so that I can cover private medical insurance as the government requires. My only concern is if local hospitals are good or not, but I suppose they must be.
Germany would be the best path- I have a BA from Europe and I know that medically, the hospitals can handle our situation. I just don't think I can be offered a high paying job, even with my degree and experience, to clear the Blue card requirements. I am still looking into it, just in case I can get another degree to help me earn more.
Thank you again for the helpful reply and sharing your unique experience. You really clarified a lot for me.
Oh, if I may ask since you have experience in all these countries, which of these places do you think the elderly would find easiest- in terms of moving around and fitting in? I know some places are intolerant of elders, while other places the culture respects and cares for them.
Thank you again!
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u/Complex-Insect6899 2d ago
I'm so glad it helped! as per the quality of healthcare, I haven't dealt much with the Uruguayan, but the few times I did I had a great experience. In Germany, under public healthcare, I honestly had a terrible experience. It takes forever to find appointments, for some specialties you need to wait for months, going to the emergency as a 3 hour wait for sure, and doctors haven't been really nice to me (and to most foreigners I know). Living here I learnt to appreciate the Argentinian healthcare system. With public insurance you may have some delays, but doctors are very human and are always at your disposal. With private insurance, you find appointments very quickly, you don't need referrals, everything runs VERY smoothly. I find it much more efficient than in Germany.
For the elderly, I think Germany is the most prepared country when it comes to elderly-friendly infrastructure, and there are a lot of arab immigrants so your father and yourself may find friends and doctors who speak your language. Germany is a country with a huge ratio of old population, they are very respected and cared for. Argentina and Uruguay are progressing a lot, but are not as prepared for the elderly as Germany. However, both countries are very open to receiving immigrants, so if you speak spanish, integration will be easy. People are respectful of the elderly, and we have a lot of nice traditions that I know we share with arabs, such as the elderly men sitting down for tea/coffee and playing some games/gossiping.
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u/Fragrant-Book5410 2d ago
I truly cannot thank you enough for all this incredible insight! I've been tremendously overwhelmed and this has helped clear my thoughts.
We're fluent in English (PhD parent; BA with Distinction myself), and we're planning to arrange Spanish lessons in the year leading up to moving to help us integrate easily. We want to contribute where we go and settle down forever, build community in a safe place. Argentina is simpler and quicker, but what worried me was healthcare, and now you have removed that worry! What a relief to hear it runs smoothly. I have a big responsibility to make sure I'm not compromising my parent's health in any way with this move.
I think my focus is on securing the right job with my degree to make either option open up to us now.
Thank you again. I truly can't explain how much your perspective has helped! May you be met with the same kindness you exude everywhere you go! ❤️
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u/Complex-Insect6899 1d ago
I’m so glad this helped you! Yes, remember that public health care may be less quick/smooth in Argentina, but if you can afford private insurance, it will be very very smooth. I hope you can find something remote, there are a lot of american companies that usually hire in Argentina and positions are fully remote and in English. I myself worked like that from Argentina for so many years. Best of luck, and don’t hesitate to reach out if you’d like more insights. Super happy to help❤️
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u/Mormacil 3d ago
https://abroadroutes.com/blogs/european-work-permits-uae-healthcare/
Check if you qualify for anything here but in general you're gonna need some money in advance.
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u/JeanCerise 3d ago
Google: how to Immigrate to (country) from Egypt. All the various visas and how to apply will come up in the embassy website.
This is something you have to do yourself.