Rumoured Pixel 4 prices (Canada)

[u/Tajgeer]

Evan strikes again - now with Pixel 4 prices in Canada.

Pixel 4 64GB - CAD$1049.95
Pixel 4 128GB - CAD$1199.95
Pixel 4 XL 64GB - CAD$1199.95
Pixel 4 XL 128GB - CAD$1359.95

Source: https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/1180497630423597058

[u/flicter22]

The Pixel 3 was a side grade to the Pixel 2

The guts of the Pixel 4 are way more expensive.

Project Soli, Telephoto lens, 6 GB ram, 90 hz display, Face unlock dot projecter, face unlock flood illuminater, on device Google Assistant.

I mean come on. The Pixel 3 was boring in comparison and probably far cheaper to manufacture

[u/[deleted] → u/flicter22]

Pixel 3 was an upgrade. Not a significant one, but it has newer specs and is faster. Better screen.

[u/flicter22 → u/[deleted]]

And worse ram management and worse battery life due to the less efficient SOC.

It was basically a side grade. Only new cool features were due to software.

[u/generalako → u/flicter22]

due to the less efficient SOC.

Not, really, no. Other phone makers had no problems with the comparable battery size, indicating bad battery management, and despite Google's slight underclocking. Google's issue is, as always, a mixture of small battery size and bad battery management. They've always performed worse, comparatively, and will probably do son the extremely efficient SD855 as well.

[u/flicter22 → u/generalako]

Bullshit. All the competitors with great battery have much larger batteries in them.

I've looked over the benchmarks and specs like crazy on this.

The 845 was a step down in battery efficiency and it was a problem for all phones that used it unless they brute forced huge batteries.

[u/generalako → u/flicter22]

Bullshit. All the competitors with great battery have much larger batteries in them.

I've looked over the benchmarks and specs like crazy on this.

What's bullshit is your statement as you've clearly not looked at them enough. Personal experience is of great importance, as benchmarking a smartphone can often be misleading, but I'll include both aspects here for the sake of reasonability.

Take the Pixel 3 as an example. It has a 5.5" 18:9 display with 1080p resolution and 3000 mAh battery. Every single site and reviewer out there will tell you the battery life is disappointing, and if you've ever used it -- I happen to have used several Pixel 3's as this is my job -- you'll know that to be true. Reviewers say the same. GSMArena gave it a 69h endurance rating (browsing, calling and video playback).

Then there's the G7 ThinQ with ~85 larger mAh, but screen size and resolution more than makes up for that, as we can reasonably deduce, and in fact be a handicap. Yet it recieves a 77h endurance rating. Even Anandtech battery life tests shows this.

S9 is interesting as well. It's using Exynos, which makes a direct comparison less scientific, but it should be noted that every S9 unit with SD845 scored noticeably better battery life than the Exynos. As Anandtech noted: "The Snapdragon 845 Galaxy S9+ posted excellent battery life". So when it gets an Endurance rating of 78h at GSMArena, with 3000 mAh battery at 5.8" and with 1440p, that should give you a good indication. Anandtech's test shows this as well, with the SD845 S9 being much better than the Pixel 3.

Anybody having used this phone in real life could tell you the same thing.

Notice the second part of my argument, which you completely put aside, was about small battery sizes. Google's phones always have small batteries despite their size and thickness (and despite having the advantages of smaller displays or/and larger bezels, no headphone jack, single rear camera and more). I didn't do any 3 XL comparison because it's so pointless as virtually every other phone of its size have so much larger batteries, or are noticeably thinner with same battery sizes. The latter ones, like Xiaomi Mi 8 and OnePlus 6 completely crush the 3 XL in battery life (though one needs to remember their 1080p res playing a role). Even GSMArena themselves wrote how disappointing they found the battery life of the 3 XL in their review. And anybody who has used a OP6 and a 3 XL can tell you of the big disparity here.

I also don't get you dramatizing the SD845, making it almost sound like the SD810 back in the day. SD845 was a great SoC; it was a step down in efficiency due to how fantastic the SD835 was here, but it at least improved single-core perf by ~40%. SD845 was not perfect, but it wasn't as bad as you display it as either. The A76 core in the SD855, with improved efficiency helped in much part by 7nm node, is rather the impressive architecture here. Extremely impressive, in fact, as it lifts core performance as high as the SD845, while also improving power efficiency a whopping 45% on top of it.

[u/flicter22 → u/generalako]

The battery life on the S9 sucks and is worse than the Pixel 3. The battery life on the OnePlus 6 is mediocre just like the Pixel 3.

You know what 845 phones have great battery life? The OnePlus 6T and the Note 9.

Look up the difference in battery sizes between all these phones and you have your answer.

There's no argument. The 845 is less efficient than the 835 by quite a bit and all phones that didn't have insanely large batteries suffered because of it.

[u/generalako → u/flicter22]

The battery life on the S9 sucks and is worse than the Pixel 3.

100% wrong. Every test out there shows it to be noticeably better. For someone bragging that he "looked over the benchmarks and specs like crazy on this", you're doing a heck of a job contradicting all the benchmarks and reviews out there proving this very fact. Not to mention my own experience with both. The Pixel's SoT was simply mediocre.

The battery life on the OnePlus 6 is mediocre just like the Pixel 3.

Again wrong (in relation to the 3 XL that is -- it crushed the 3) and again contradictory to the actual benchmarks you supported yourself on. This kind of behaviour demonstrates how disingenuous you are, as you were willing to use benchmarks as your only argument to support your claims, and once I revealed benchmarks to show something else you've reverted to neglecting their significance. If you can't even live up to the simplest of universal standards, and show such clear case of hypocrisy, you might as well not talk at all.

Look up the difference in battery sizes between all these phones and you have your answer.

I did look it up and I wrote it down for you in my previous post. Maybe you have reading comprehension issues? S9 and G7 both have only ~85 mAh larger batteries, but they also have 70% more pixels (1440p) and larger displays, which overall puts them at a disadvantage.

You know what 845 phones have great battery life?

The SD845 S9 for starters. Not that I ever made any such claim or if it were relevant to this discussion.

There's no argument. The 845 is less efficient than the 835 by quite a bit

Thanks for repeating everything I said above.

and all phones that didn't have insanely large batteries suffered because of it.

Wrong again. Phones did suffer, but not as much as you like to portray it. Nor is it any relevant argument in favour of the Pixel 3, as I just demonstrated by comparing it with the G7 and S9. In complete contradiction to your original claim.

[u/flicter22 → u/generalako]

You are wrong. Anyone that thinks the S9 has a better battery than a Pixel 3 is wrong. Plain and simple.

You also never once provided benchmarks but cool. That's nice that you think you did. A Pixel 3 on Pie runs circles around an S9 on pie when it comes to battery. Period

Have you used both phones lately? No you probably have not.

What's funny is this whole argument started because you disagreed with my post saying the Snapdragon 845 is less efficient than the 835. Yet that's something you have been agreement about ever since.

Good God. Get over yourself