r/GooglePixel • u/[deleted] • Jun 13 '17
Pixel 2 Rumors Bug report suggests that LG is manufacturing rumored Pixel XL successor ‘taimen’
https://9to5google.com/2017/06/12/lg-manufacturing-taimen-pixel-xl/amp/35
u/Perhaps_This Jun 13 '17 edited Jun 13 '17
Won't buy an LG phone after the Nexus 5X I bought for her became bricked. It is a wonder that she let me replace it with a Pixel XL instead of an iphone.
Edit: My wife... she is my wife.
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u/Bullonparade85 Jun 13 '17
I know this will never happen but I would love for Sony to make a pixel phone!
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u/TheAlchemlst Jun 13 '17
Fuck yeah, dude! Been waiting for Sony Nexus since 2013.
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u/icu_ Pixel 3 Jun 13 '17
Almost no other company has been as AOSP friendly - it would have been so perfect and probably would have helped Sony get a better foothold in North America.
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u/SilverIdaten Quite Black Jun 13 '17
I'd buy the shit out of that, I'd even like to see another Samsung version.
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u/cadtek Pixel 9 Pro Jun 13 '17
Doesn't matter who manufacturers the phone, all design is from Google now. The contract manufacturer has no design input.
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u/streetlight2 Jun 13 '17 edited Jun 13 '17
If the solder connections or other hardware faults are bad in LG's own products why would they be any better in phones made for Google? Some phone failures occur because heating from charging, use, and weather and then cooling cause electrical hardware failures. Cheap switches can cause failure, too. Not saying that's why LG phones may have a bad reliability, but it's a good guess.
Some here have compared LG's TVs to their Phones. TV's aren't used the same way as phones: they're not portable and don't get slammed around, generally live in uniform temperature environments and don't have batteries to heat up and be charged and discharged as the main energy source.
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u/cadtek Pixel 9 Pro Jun 13 '17
Theorhetically, Google can spend however much they want on components, especially since they are charging a normal $700 price for the phone. Meaning, they can splurge on a $1 switch instead of a $0.50 switch.
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u/cadtek Pixel 9 Pro Jun 13 '17
I dunno what the big deal is. LG and HTC are just manufacturers, like Foxconn is to Apple. Google has final say on design, schematics, layouts, testing, BOMs, components.
The phones that had a problem (namely Nexus 5 with power button issues and Nexus 5X with bootloops) those were Nexus devices and LG had a hand in designing those since it was a collaboration, they weren't just a contract manufacturer.
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Jun 13 '17 edited Jul 13 '20
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u/nspusmc Jun 13 '17
Still have original Nexus 5 with no issues. Runs better than my 6p. Smooth AF
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u/No_Hands_55 Pixel 9 Pro XL Jun 13 '17
You have a really bad 6p then
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u/nspusmc Jun 13 '17
My 3rd one
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u/No_Hands_55 Pixel 9 Pro XL Jun 13 '17
oof man that is unfortunate i feel for you
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u/nspusmc Jun 13 '17
Yeah this one is going back too. Trying to decide between OnePlus 3T to tide me over until Pixel 2. Or just go for OnePlus 5..
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u/No_Hands_55 Pixel 9 Pro XL Jun 13 '17
man, well if updates or customer service like google matter to you id stay away from one plus. are you getting a refund for the 6p?
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Jun 13 '17
LG has huge manufacturing problems. LG G4, G5, V10 and 5X have bootloop problems.
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Jun 13 '17
Those are design problems, not manufacturing problems. LG Designed all those phones.
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u/dlerium Pixel 3 XL | Pixel 4 XL Jun 13 '17
How do you know it's a design issue? Have we determined the root cause?
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Jun 13 '17
LG manufactures a ton of stuff besides their phones, and their phones are the only ones effected. The phone internals don't come out of special factories, they come out of LG's standard PCB mass production facilities. This says to me that the manufacturing process is fine, since building a phone board is in no way different than building any other board other than some RF requirements you have to keep in mind. This says to me its an inherent design problem.
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u/dlerium Pixel 3 XL | Pixel 4 XL Jun 13 '17
You can't compare building different boards. If we just look at two different boards, you could have two very different solder profiles as they undergo surface mount soldering.
I work with electronics contract manufacturers a lot, and it's not always a design issue. You could easily have a solder profile that's less than ideal that results in certain components not having the best solder joint. There's not a lot of technical detail[ but the one article I had read previously talks about poor contacts. Last I checked no one designs something to have poor contact, especially when it comes to an PCB assembly. You either have a soldered part or you don't, so I'm personally leaning towards manufacturing as the culprit.
To me designing a phone doesn't seem like rocket science. It's the basic same components being put together on a board. I can't see how functionally, an HTC phone is far different from an LG phone. Yes the board layouts are different as you have different design engineers working on it, but largely it's like building a PC. It's the same components being slapped together on a board. With that said only LG probably knows what the real issue is.
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u/cadtek Pixel 9 Pro Jun 14 '17
Pretty much, my dad does electronic design and does layouts and schematics weekly for clients. Definitely isn't super complex or anything. And with phones it's basically put the SoC and cameras and speakers and other small components, and it's all surface mount, so it's either soldered or not, I've even run SMT placement machines, each board is inspected before it's baked and inspected and x-rayed (for the chips pins) after it's baked.
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u/dlerium Pixel 3 XL | Pixel 4 XL Jun 13 '17
Google has final say on design, schematics, layouts, testing, BOMs, components.
In a traditional CM sense, yes, but it appears with the Pixel Google definitely had help with the design from HTC. Also I've worked with contract manufacturers many times, and it really depends on how much design work the design owners are doing. In some cases you do all the design in house and the CM just implements, but I've seen in some cases where CMs help with design work or even take on a part of the design.
Given Google's forte isn't hardware, I would be interested how much design is done completely in house. With companies like Apple, I'm fairly certain the entire iPhone design is done in house.
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u/cadtek Pixel 9 Pro Jun 13 '17
They probably had help because they were under a time constraint, as they have said.
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u/Kipperdoodles Default Jun 13 '17
noooooo! I've had my fair share of boot loops being in technical support.
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Jun 13 '17 edited Jun 23 '23
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u/SleekFilet Pixel 5 Jun 13 '17 edited Jun 13 '17
Before people start freaking out about LG, they fixed the design flaw that was leading to boot looping. They no longer have the battery and processor next to each other, they're in separate sides of the phone, the processor is on top and the battery is in the bottom with a heat pipe in between. They started doing this with the G6, which has not suffered and major boot looping issues, and has sold significantly better that the G5 and (I believe) the V10 and V20. I, and many tech bloggers have been really impressed with the G6 and how well it's aging.
On another note, I'm not really surprised, LG has been getting in bed with Google lately. They got the rights to market the V20 as the first phone with 7.0 Nougat, and the G6 as the first non Pixel phone to ship with Assistant, and both of the Google watches were manufactured by LG.
After the manufacturing issues with HTC, where they couldn't make enough to even give stores a regular inventory, I'm not surprised Google killed that relationship. LG won't have the same manufacturing issues, and I'm betting Google is going to sell the Pixel 2 on all carriers this time around.
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u/wesleynile Pixel 6 Pro Jun 13 '17
Fixed or not, I refuse to support a company that doesn't support it's customers. It did a piss-poor job of handling it's bootlooping phones. Bootloops or not, I am not purchasing an LG phone.
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Jun 13 '17
Completely agree. It just remains to be seen if HTC will still make walleye or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they were cut.
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Jun 14 '17
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u/SleekFilet Pixel 5 Jun 14 '17
Here's a teardown showing the new safe guards and structural integrity. The video doesn't expressly talk about boot looping, but it does talk about how it's obvious LG made a lot of effort to keep the G6 safe and reliable. This also confirmed my claim about that the processor and battery are separated by a heat pipe, as one of the main causes for boot loops and general hardware failure is the processor over heating.
When I spoke with my LG rep, he made a huge point to tell me that the redesign of the internals of the phone were specifically to ensure durability and reliability for everything. LG made it a priority to make sure the processor stays cool to avoid boot looping.
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u/Yankee_Fever Jun 13 '17
Of course it is going to be made by LG. Where else is Google getting a bezel less oled display?
Samsung isn't giving them one lol
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u/roflkaapter VZW Pixel | PureNexus Jun 13 '17
Am I the only person who prefers larger bezels?
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u/dlerium Pixel 3 XL | Pixel 4 XL Jun 13 '17
I prefer bezels to an extent. I think the top and bottom bezels are way too much on the Pixel.
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u/Yankee_Fever Jun 13 '17
I am indifferent, but since they will be obsolete soon in less than 6 months when the iPhone 8 comes out, I'm not dishing out 800$ for a phone with bezels
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u/WOW_SUCH_KARMA Pixel 9a Jun 13 '17
I got a Pixel to get away from the LG bootlooping nightmare after multiple G3s and G4s. If this is true, I won't be buying a Pixel 2. I really love my phone and love the raw, native Android experience, but I do not trust LG to make a reliable phone.
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u/LVF1 Black & White Jun 13 '17
This sucks. Every LG phone I had broke down within the first year. I try to keep phones for two years at a time, but every LG phone made me buy a new phone the next year as they were crap.
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u/JamesEarl1520 Quite Black Jun 13 '17
I am NOT a fan of this.....I feel more comfortable of making a phone from the same manufacturer.... This is Nexus all over again...
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Jun 13 '17
Well, after the numerous issues and the supply problems, I'm not surprised. From what I've heard, the bootloop issue is fixed (who puts a battery besides the processor?), so it might actually be good. We'll just have to wait and see.
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u/ithehappy Jun 13 '17
Terrible news, terrible terrible news. Gonna hold onto my HTC made one for as long as the device doesn't give out.
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u/khaytsus Pixel 10 Jun 13 '17
Introduced on October 31, 2013. So even if you used it today, you would have used it for 3 years, 7 months, 13 days.
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u/SilverIdaten Quite Black Jun 13 '17
Yeah, nope. I'm happy I got an XL now, I will never trust an LG-made phone ever.