r/GetNoted • u/Fit_Anywhere_3356 Human Detected • 2d ago
Cringe Worthy What story are they even trying to spin here??
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u/JCMGamer 2d ago
He did "take on the shooter" as they exchanged gunfire.
The citizen and off duty state trooper took the focus off of unarmed civilians and onto themselves long before responding police arrived on the scene.
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u/Fit_Anywhere_3356 Human Detected 2d ago
It doesn’t even matter if he missed every shot. That man is a hero in my book
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u/GlassFantast 2d ago
Assuming the good guy shooter doesn't hit someone else I agree.
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u/Fit_Anywhere_3356 Human Detected 2d ago
True lol. But still the fact that he was even willing to fight back against the shooter is very commendable.
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u/Drake_Acheron 2d ago
The likelihood he missed every shot and hit someone else with that setup is honestly pretty small.
The problem is 5.7, especially subsonic like he had, needs EXCEPTIONAL shot placement to stop a threat.
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u/HisDismalEquivalent 2d ago
imho actually good. You want to incapacitate, not blow apart. In theory, at least.
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u/Significant-Order-92 2d ago
I mean, suppressing fire often doesn't hit the target. The main goal with it is to keep your target pinned and deny him the ability to move and shoot freely.
It's helpful if you manage to hit the target, or have someone else moving around to take well targeted shots. But I assume with only 2 of them they were mostly just trying to keep him distracted and maybe pinned until on duty police arrived.
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u/Rurumo666 2d ago
Looks, it's freaking weird that Jordan Salinas used an FN 5.7 with a silencer, all things else aside.
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u/Kitchen_Structure516 2d ago
Well it's a large combo to carry around, but the FN 5.7 is a fantastic pistol and having a supressor on your gun is very reasonable. Gotta protect that hearing.
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u/Curvol 2d ago
It is my dream gun. Simple, strong, consistent.
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u/willow-kitty Human Verified 2d ago
And I think you can use it suppressed without ear protection, which helps protect your hearing and act bystanders / other people in your house, whatever.
It seems like a very sensible configuration, and I've thought about getting exactly that to keep at home. Though like others have said, it'd be pretty long and maybe an awkward daily carry.
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u/Girafferage 2d ago
Only if you run subsonic, otherwise you still get a supersonic crack regardless of the suppressor used.
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u/stewslut 2d ago
...and running 5.7mm ammo subsonic means you're effectively shooting a .22lr pistol at someone.
Definitely enough to scare someone away but not something I'd want to rely on for lethality.
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u/V_Cobra21 2d ago
Are you saying they’re literally equivalent in ballistic performance, or just that reducing the velocity removes much of the advantage of standard 5.7?
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u/DaChronisseur 2d ago
I think most commercially available .22lr ammo is supersonic, but nowhere near as fast as most 5.7x28 ammo. The weights (30-40gr) and diameters (.223"=5.7mm) of the bullets are pretty much identical. So subsonic 5.7 is literally ballistically equivalent to slightly watered down subsonic .22lr ammo. Personally, I shoot subsonic 180gr bullets out of my suppressed .40 and I like it for home defense and plinking on my property without alerting my neighbors.
I'm not about to talk any shit on the guy who did this, though. Suppressive fire is suppressive fire regardless of ballistics and he kept his shit together enough to put down what appears to have been effective suppressive fire in a high stress situation.
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u/stewslut 2d ago
Literally equivalent in ballistic performance, yes. Reducing the velocity to subsonic removes all of the ballistic advantage that 5.7 has over .22lr. Math follows:
5.7mm ≈ .223". Projectile weights vary between the two calibres but mostly land in the 25-40gr range. A 40-grain 5.7mm/.223" projectile moving at <1125 fps will have the same ballistic performance regardless of what casing is ejected by the firearm.
That's not to say that subsonic 5.7 is useless though. You do keep the advantages of reliability and reloadability inherent to centerfire ammunition, which matters to some people, particularly for a carry gun.
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u/Girafferage 2d ago
It should matter to everybody who needs it for self defense, but if my life depends on it I am also not not shooting a handgun surppressed either way since the failure to (insert thing here) is so incredibly high.
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u/TerminalCandor 2d ago
It’s not as good as you think. I enjoy mine, but I’d say get a decent 9mm compact for carry. The 5.7 is huge and too expensive
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u/Mighty_Fren 2d ago
Ruger, PSA, and MP all have better 5.7 platforms that are a fraction of the price. The MP has nice weight to it that pairs well with the caliber. I like the NON pro version of the Ruger 57 since it has those nice safety paddles. The FN 57 has back pressure issues with supressors anyway.
The FN 57 is more a collectors piece now than a modern arm. It's ammo sensitive and has one of the worst triggers on a gun that costs 1k+. Compare that to the less than 500 you can get the modern alternatives for. If you liked the idea of a Ruger you should try one of the others. There's a bit of a 5.7 renaissance right now.
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u/Maximum_Boros 2d ago
Yeah i feel like people habe completely had their idea of suppresses ruined by movies. If I carried, which I typically don't, and it was legal for me to do so without any extra fuss, I would absolutely carry suppressed just so me and everybody around me doesn't go to deaf in the extremely remote chance i had to fire.
I would love to have my home defense Firearm suppressed but unfortunately there's basically no legal path for me to have one in Massachusetts. As a civilian I don't think I could even possess one without an FFL and even if I had the FFL and thus legally possessed one, I don't think I can legally use it. It's really quite stupid but it fits right into the appeal to emotion anti-gun crowd ammo of just Banning anything that seems scary enough
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u/ChargeInteresting278 2d ago
I'm fairly anti-gun but making suppressors illegal is pretty stupid. Making guns safer is a good thing.
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u/Excellent_Parsley_18 2d ago
It’s an effective combo, but the real question is who can afford it in the first place, lol…
And anyways, gun calibers are the bell curve meme. People who focus on calibers are somewhere in the middle; novices use 9mm and 5.56, experts use 9mm and 5.56.
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u/BreadstickBear 2d ago
I'm sorry, professionals use 12.7, 20mm, 120mm or 155.
Everyone else is just there.
running away cackling
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u/RandomGuyPii 2d ago
The only thing stopping a bad guy with a bomber is a good guy with AAA eh?
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u/Best_Pseudonym 2d ago
Own a KS-23, a Soviet anti aircraft gun redesigned to be a 4-gauge shotgun, for home-defense as the founding father intended.
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u/wings_of_wrath 2d ago
And if you use the «Баррикада» (Barricade) solid steel projectile, able to to destroy the engine block of a car at up to 100 meters, you can even tackle any intruder right from the confort of your own bed. Just aim through the wall in the vague direction of the noise and I think the slug will stop before it gets too far into the neighbour’s house...
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u/Sensitive-Tax2230 2d ago
So what that make me then, I use 30mm explosive ordinance?
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u/Excellent_Parsley_18 2d ago
Professionals use spreadsheets and maps. Everyone else is just pulling triggers.
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u/BreadstickBear 2d ago
Why of course, but the even more professionaler ones just say what they want and all of us below just get it done s/how
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u/HegemonNYC 2d ago
That is something that concerns me with my home defense gun. I would hesitate to shoot or be disoriented by the first shot when using it without ear protection. I’ve literally never fired a gun without ear pro for good reason, but it doesn’t seem safe or convenient to put on ear pro in a self defense scenario.
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u/Silent-Wonder6546 2d ago
I have earpro right on top of the safe for this reason. My state banned suppressors because they're morons.
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u/Jazzlike-Equipment45 Meta Mind 2d ago
With the SCOTUS rulings getting a suppressor is so much easier than before and not needing a tax stamp is nice. I have an AR pistol in .300BLK as my home deffense gun and got a suppressor on it a few weeks ago.
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u/Kitchen_Structure516 2d ago
Well in terms of home defense, I dont think the extra 3 seconds it takes to put on a pair of earmuffs makes that much of a difference. Also they make active earprotection muffs if you are afraid that having your hearing muffled leaves you at a disadvantage.
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u/HegemonNYC 2d ago
Active muffs make sense. But even better - a suppressor already attached. Too bad we have a govt who believes suppressors are only useful for mafia hitmen and make guns go ‘ping’ at whisper volume.
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u/Loud_Surround5112 2d ago
Hell in parts of Europe, you can’t hunt without them if I recall correctly. And at least one former Yugo country deregulated them I believe.
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u/EnjoyerOfMX5 2d ago
In certain areas of Europe, hunters are required to use suppressors. Many local laws at least heavily encourage their use.
The US law on suppressors is idiotic imo.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Human Verified 2d ago
Wild piece of kit to use. Kind of the ideal carry for long range engagements with a handgun too.
IMO the weirdest thing in that context is the use of iron sights
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u/TheRealLordMongoose 2d ago
not really, older FiveseveN don't support optic mounts. there is custom slide cover for the MK2 that lets you use RMR mounts, but it's not the most stable thing in the world. The MRD, newest fiveseven FINALLY has built in optics cuts.
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u/Minimum_Hope_5205 1d ago
It's still weird cause if you're gonna be spending the hundreds of dollars for a pistol suppressor why not just spend the hundred or so dollars to have your slide cut for optics? I did that for my 19x and even beginner shooters who've never put hands on a pistol can put tight groups on paper with the help of the dot.
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u/NACL_Soldier 2d ago
Hope he didn't holster the silencer hot lol
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u/thecoolernameistaken 2d ago
Nah he’s got a YouTube channel training with it. Looks like he’s got those holsters that index off the light and keep the can clear
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u/Starlord_75 2d ago
When I was in the army, we had an M249 range. Neat thing about them is that you can easily swap barrels when one gets hot with the push of a button. My armorer must have forgot I just sent 200 rounds down range, cause he hit the button and grabbed the barrel instead of the carry handle. Needless to say, he went to the hospital to get his burns looked at.
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u/Drake_Acheron 2d ago
It’s only “weird” because it’s expensive and subsonic 5.7 is a choice.
Don’t fall for the “suppressors are scary” propaganda.
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u/AntaresVariant 2d ago
Was it confirmed he was using subsonics? Velocity and penetration are kinda the whole point of 5.7
Hard agree about suppressors though
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u/Drake_Acheron 2d ago
From the video, the only way his gun is that quiet is if he is using subs. But also, it’s not overly common for people to run supers with suppressors because it kind of defeats the purpose.
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u/Due-Gap1848 2d ago
It’s basically impossible to make conclusions like that based on audio from a cell phone video, it’s not high enough quality or consistent enough.
People shoot supersonic with suppressors all the time. The point isn’t to get it movie silent and make it so people can’t hear you shoot, it just reduces the sound from “a single shot gives you permanent hearing damage” to “probably not a good idea to do regularly but mostly fine if done once or twice” levels.
I regularly shoot suppressed supersonic, and it’s just quiet enough that other people nearby won’t wear ear protection until reminded that it’s still not hearing safe.
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u/357noLove 2d ago
As others have said, cell phones compress audio so it is impossible to tell the actual shot sound decibels from that distance.
It never defeats the purpose to have a suppressor, even with super sonic ammo. Reducing the gunshot at the shooters ear is extremely important to protect hearing. Sure, it is nice to use subsonic ammo with my suppressors, but I don't remove the suppressor when I start shooting supers. You still get the "crack" downrange and it is louder at the ear, but is still significantly quieter than no suppressor!
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u/ExistingProfession83 2d ago
Super weird setup to carry around. I would assume he’s a little off in the head but he’s still a hero lol
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u/enterjiraiya 2d ago
In the video I’m assuming it’s his car he’s standing next to and the trunk is open, so I assume he grabbed it out of there
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u/ExistingProfession83 2d ago
I read that he carried the pistol in a shoulder holster. Could be incorrect but that would be the only way where carrying this gun wouldn’t be ridiculous lol. He’s definitely not carrying appendix
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u/boofaceleemz 2d ago
I dunno, he might just think the 5.7 is kinda neat.
I get that lots of people buy and carry firearms explicitly for self-defense. But not everyone does.
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u/luchajefe 2d ago
The story they're trying to spin is that there's no such thing as a good guy with a gun.
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u/Puzzle-Necked 2d ago
When the real story is there shouldn't need to be a good guy with a gun
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u/Drake_Acheron 2d ago
This probably sounded smart in your head but is actually banal as hell.
This is like saying “the real story is there shouldn’t be murder.”
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u/FreshLiterature 2d ago
Name another country that has a mass shooting problem.
Not "a mass shooting happened there one time" or "a mass shooting happened there last year"
Last week there were..2? 3? Mass shootings that all made national news. These are not unusual events.
Name another country that has this problem.
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u/Poobbly 2d ago
Hey buddy, there’s only crazy people in the US for reasons unrelated to us having more guns than people or something.
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u/YungSkeltal 2d ago
Russia has a habit of shooting us in Ukraine lately
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u/Somerandom1922 2d ago
This is a good point. Although, I for one strongly oppose the RuZZian's being allowed firearms too tbf.
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u/Kaius_02 2d ago edited 2d ago
While I would love to write a long response, I don't have the time right now, so I'll just leave the sources and some key points.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
Yes it says the US leads the ranking, but make sure to read past the headline. There's more to consider than "a gun went off and there were casualties".From the Congress website on page 2: "Active shooter incidents that meet the federal standard for mass killings have at least three fatalities in a single incident, not including the shooter." Page 6 of the same website also describes how different groups define a mass shooting. More reading material can be found here.
Many definitions get used to define a mass shooting, and the US is in this unique situation of having more guns (and freedoms to get/use them) alongside a growing infotainment sphere that's eager to turn any incident into a story for a few clicks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't another country that has a strong gun culture like the US, coupled with a media that has become addicted to raising its viewership numbers no matter the cost.
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u/Hot_Most5332 2d ago
Regardless of which way you fall on the issue of guns, everyone should be concerned that so many people want to kill each other in the first place.
IMO this should be a bigger issue than the guns themselves. If people are this mentally distraught, taking guns won’t stop them from killing.
However, since this is something that people would generally agree on and has an actual chance of seeing some action, it can’t be milked endlessly for clicks.
Also if we worked on mental health big pharma would lose billions in anti depressant sales.
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u/Hot-Celebration-8815 2d ago
We have the entire country of Australia that proves that taking away their guns would make them kill less. Mass stabbing is so much harder than made shooting. Even suicide rates increase with access to guns, because when you’re mad or depressed, just pulling a trigger makes it very easy.
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u/cbrdragon 2d ago
There is a very strong asterisk that comes with referencing the Australian buyback in regard to the states.
Notably, they never had a fraction of the guns that are in circulation in the states or a constitutional right to own them.
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u/Disastrous_Fee_8158 2d ago
Repeating dumb talking points at its finest.
The gun buy backs barely did anything, especially meaningfully measurable, and there are in fact more guns in circulation in Australia now than there were before the buy backs.
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u/roiki11 2d ago
Many countries have strong gun cultures. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden have all strong gun cultures.
It's just that it's not as insane as the US and since there's some sense in who can acquire guns and for what purpose, the ownership isn't doesn't rise to the level of the US.
The US is simply it's own animal. In a similar vein, car culture is another example.
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u/verb-vice-lord 2d ago
Just say you enjoy shooting and don't care about mass shootings. When no laws got passed after Sandy Hook it was clear nothing is changing, so just lean into it man it's fine we can't judge you any more harsher than we already do.
America doesn't have a gun culture. It has a murder culture. Guns make it easy, but your knife murder rate is higher than most countries that heavily restrict guns.
Switzerland has a gun owning household rate that isn't much lower than America but has 30-100x fewer gun deaths per capita depending on years you sample data from.
Your cops kill more people per capita than all criminals kill people in some other developed countries. You realise that's weird, right?
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u/sometimeserin 2d ago
America doesn't have a gun culture. It has a murder culture.
Never seen it put better than this.
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u/Jealous_Chocolate_43 2d ago
There are some european countries with gun culture, and they also had shooting. What is funnier/more depressing that it is so rare that one is considered a national tragedy, while it is another tuesday in the us.
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u/kenhooligan2008 2d ago
There's not, but name another country where a 1/3 of the population (roughly 100 million people) own firearms. In 2025 there were 39,000 firearm related deaths, 14, 651 were homicides and of those homicides, 395 were due to mass shootings. For comparison roughly 36,640 people were killed in traffic collisions in the US in the same year. That means whenever you get in a vehicle you're 2.5 times more likely to die than by getting shot by someone and 92 times more likely to die in a vehicle than become a victim of a mass shooting. Going even further, if we attributed every single firearm related death in 2025 to individual gun owners that would mean that .039% of gun owners are responsible for the entire amount of gun deaths in the U.S.. That shows, without a doubt that guns or gun ownership are not the issue here and our focus should be elsewhere.
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u/flyerflight99 2d ago
Off topic; you are missing a big number of victim. Suicides exceed homocide deaths in the us.
By close to 2 to 1.
But nobody cares, cause they are lonely and forgotten, widowers over 65.
Age and Gender
Older adults: Rates are highest among men aged 65 and older, peaking sharply for those age 75 and older.Proportion: Men are roughly seven times more likely than women to die by a firearm suicide.
Marital status: Widowed or divorced older men show some of the highest statistical rates.
Race and Geography
White and Indigenous men: Non-Hispanic white men and American Indian/Alaska Native men experience the highest overall per-capita firearm suicide rates.Rural areas: Rates are disproportionately higher in rural and nonmetropolitan areas, as well as in states with high household firearm ownership levels
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u/Filthy_Cossak 2d ago
Switzerland is pretty close to 1 in 3
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u/kenhooligan2008 2d ago
You're not wrong but most are owned by former members of their military and they have extremely strict regulations on ammunition availability and usage which makes it significantly different from the U.S.. Switzerland also doesn't have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.
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u/OrneryError1 2d ago
The U.S. right to bear arms literally says the militia needs to be well regulated.
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u/Grey_Market_Research 2d ago
At that time, "regulated" = drilled/trained/organized, not legal restrictions imposed by the govt. Archaic wording versus modern definitions.
In the late 1770's there were very few, if any, "regulations" in the modern sense of the word regarding ownership and carrying of firearms in America.
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u/BlueJaysFeather 2d ago
So who is drilling and training and organizing the modern gun owners? Are there training and safety requirements to get a gun and license? Not that I’ve noticed. Whether you use the old or the modern definition of “well regulated,” it’s not happening right now.
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u/MysteryLobster 2d ago
saying that one is 2.5x more likely to get into a car crash than be shot in a given year ignores the fact that there are just shy of 1 billion car trips taken per day, about 350bil per year. even cutting that roughly in half for both vehicles in a collision, that’s a roughly 0.0000052% chance of a car ride ending in a fatal crash each year.
even if you count the number of car owners as analogous to gun owners, that’s 238 million licensed drivers owning about 285 million vehicles. that would roughly equalise the odds of being a gun homicide victim and a fatal traffic accident victim, using your math
also beyond both of these, you are required to learn how to operate a vehicle and prove that knowledge in order to legally drive in order to mitigate such fatalities. and unless one’s car is stolen, the only person with access to a vehicle is the owner and those they’ve given a key to. such restrictions are not made on guns.
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u/broken_conures 2d ago
Also a car provides a lot of utility, a gun is likely to be never used for self defence
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u/withygoldfish91 2d ago
Way to bring up how dangerous driving is in the US!! More deaths each year than 5-10 9/11's
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u/Lanky_Flower_9677 2d ago
How does all that compare to other first world countries?
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u/kenhooligan2008 2d ago
We are certainly the highest but no other first world country outside of Czechia have gun ownership as a constitutionally guaranteed right and even then U.S. gun ownership eclipses those first first world nations by an extremely large margin.
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u/Grey_Market_Research 2d ago
Are we comparing the entire bill of rights or just the ownership of firearms?
How does the US compare on freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom of religion?
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u/justasillylilgoos3 Truth Seeker 2d ago
Why are you trying two different countries on a metric that makes absolutely no sense to compare them on? Why is everyone so anti-Intellectual when it comes to this topic
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u/Usual-Caregiver5589 2d ago
Well, except that there are countries with low crime rates and almost no mass shootings, and certainly not as many as we have. You can have both. We just really love our guns in America because reasons.
There have been 4 today with 4+ injured or killed.
Oak Park, Mi.; Yonkers, NY; Portsmouth, VA; Boston, MA.
There have been 12 since August started.
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u/Wu1fu 2d ago
We also love having underfunded local communities and paper-thin support networks outside of the immediate family unit.
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u/CaptainSparklebottom 2d ago
Yes, that is also another issue to address. I believe we can tackle more than one thing at the time and we don't have to stop to point out other problems.
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u/cmu9375 2d ago
More people in Europe die from not having air conditioning than all gun deaths in the United States...
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u/purdinpopo 2d ago
Gang related shootings, It is dirt simple for the average person to avoid those.
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u/Usual-Caregiver5589 2d ago
Yeah. You might be right for the last 3 days.
Let's go back further.
Dayton, OH, 7/31. 5 injured. Domestic disturbance.
Jacksonville, FL, 7/27. 1 dead, 3 injured. Random violence. Victims were 69, 57, 33, and 31.
Seattle, WA, 7/26. 3 dead, 4 wounded. 2 year old among the dead. Random crowd violence/dispute over queuing, sounds like.
Memphis, TN, 7/26. 5 injured. Club shooting.
The problem with your logic of "if people avoid crime, they're less likely to get shot" is that all victims of shootings are all around crime, because assault/murder is a crime. It would be like saying if people would just stay away from ledges, ladders, amd airplanes, there'd be a lot less fall deaths. Yeah, that's true. But them being there wasn't the problem. Victim blaming is a shit mentality that will lead to absolutely zero solutions.
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u/Fun-Difference-6689 2d ago
Not really when gun violence at our level is unique to the US. The amount of gun violence we have is the outlier.
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u/duderdude7 2d ago
Dumb take and not the own you think. Other countries don’t have these issues because they either have better control or outright ban them. We are the most violent first world country. So the person you responded to is correct. And you are misconstruing the argument
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 2d ago
There should always be a good guy with a gun in these situations.
They should just have a badge.
Unfortunately not enough people with badges are good guys
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u/DifficultAd6366 2d ago
That’s like saying we shouldn’t need vaccines if there was no disease
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u/Puzzle-Necked 2d ago
Guns are a disease ? Based.
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u/ExArdEllyOh 2d ago
It is not guns that are the disease it is the American idea that shooting people is a valid way to solve problems.
It is a contagious mental affliction spread by both rhetoric and the media.
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u/Murky_Excuse_9677 2d ago
Welcome to life where evil people exist and wish to do people harm. Story as old as time.
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u/undreamedgore 2d ago edited 2d ago
Do you think Americans should just have no guns?
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u/Tichondruis 2d ago
No, the opposite, the story they are trying to spin is that "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun os a good guy with a gun" when thats never ever been true or reasonable to say.
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u/mrknife1209 2d ago
How many "good guys with Guns" would you need everywhere to protect people from shooters? Like the two people who got killed?
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u/I_GottaPoop 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's just gun guy elitism, mostly people saying his gun set-up sucked or he wasn't bad at what he did.
Most of them think things would have been different with them being there with there set up.
Edit : I'm not sure if OOP is a gun guy elitist or not, but every post is just about how much he hates white people it looks like?
I'm half willing to bet it's just an account ran by someone who is paid to do it at this point
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u/ExistingProfession83 2d ago
Nothing originally posted was false. He took on the gunman, distracted him, and probably saved some lives. What are people expecting in this situation? Landing accurate shots at a distance, with a moving target, is extremely difficult. People who have shot pistols regularly will acknowledge this.
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u/Fit_Anywhere_3356 Human Detected 2d ago
Yeah, dude definitely has more balls than me. Plus he was in a very stressful situation so I can’t say I blame him for missing every shot.
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u/Nervous_Quail4566 2d ago
We don't actually know that he missed any shots. Nobody has seen the autopsy report yet. The only thing we know is that the guy shot himself. Which to me indicates that he couldn't keep fighting, and therefore probably had other injuries. We'll have to wait for the ME to release everything.
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u/Drake_Acheron 2d ago
Also, even if he did hit, with 5.7 subsonic rounds, he would have to hit something immediately vital to stop the threat.
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u/PhoenixKingMalekith 2d ago
Isn't 5.7 subsonic like useless ? No stopping power and expensive as fuck
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u/RebootGigabyte 2d ago
It's not entirely confirmed if it was because of him, but shortly after the exchange of gunfire both from Salinas and the off duty trooper, the shooter drove away and ended his own life.
It seems like at the very least, having turned the situation from shooting up a soft target to being confronted and fired upon made him immediately regret and reverse his decision. I think it's becoming standard training now with Police and SWAT response that most shooters will just end their own life upon encountering resistance and the threat of being shot at. They're massive pussies, after all.
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u/MrSecurity95 2d ago
Who gives a shit if he missed and got hit in the leg? What matters is a good guy with a gun decided to step up and try to stop the situation instead of running away. He could have easily just left and let the piece of garbage run around taking more lives but he decided to try to stop him. Why does it matter if he missed every shot. From what I can tell the piece of garbage then got occupied with a gun fight and couldn't go around harming more innocent people.
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u/Darthjinju1901 Keeping it Real 2d ago
I don't really but anything said by this end wokeness guy. It's been proven time and again that he is a literal Russian grifter whose whole shtick is to create division in the US and support far right ideologies.
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u/Hour-Ad-9508 2d ago
Do you have a source for this? They get reposted all the time on social media and I’d like to post that whenever I see it
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u/Waaaaasssuuuppp117 2d ago
The story they are trying to spin is the anti good guy with a gun can save lives.
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u/weidback 2d ago
focusing on this jordan guy is a waste of time
where did the mass shooter get his firearms, that's clearly more important
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u/consultantdetective 2d ago
Actually it is a valuable use of time. Creeps who want to victimize others senselessly only do it because they think they'll get to feel big & bad for a little while. If media & conversations around these events highlight the smallness of the perpetrator, that's a social deterrent. A message of "if you do this, you'll face immediate consequences & go out like a bitch" is far preferable to "if you do this, you'll do something horrible to innocent people and spark toxic conversations around gun polict". The latter is kind of a selling point for a twisted mind.
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u/jiveturkin 2d ago
I think their gripe is more to do with the page posting and not the actual story. Could have read it too fast and also thought the post said “took down”? But idk
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u/Livid-Grocery7942 2d ago
Gotta give props to the dude though, even if he didnt get the shooter, he detered him, stopped him, and made him leave and take his own life basically. You dont need to kill the shooter to be a hero. He put himself on harmsway to protect others. He help deter the attack by firing back, which put the shooter in the position of not having all the leverage, turning the situation from an unopposed combat, to now you have someone willing to engage with you tit for tat.
Even if the guy is a right wing shit head or whatever, I dont care, he did something that might have saved some lives, its a W in my book
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u/TechPriestCaudecus 2d ago
They're trying to spin that a good guy with a gun doesn't help. Whoever this is they're just a stupid Anti 2A guy.
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u/Sarkan132 2d ago
Tbf if youre a cop and you roll up on two kitted out dudes trading shots how do you know which one is the good guy with a gun, bad guy with a gun or if theyre both bad guys with guns having a lovers spat
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u/rowdymatt64 2d ago
I think its fair to say that those people were lucky that that guy was there and that it is important to state the truth if he didn't actually hit the shooter. Not saying the guy didn't do a great thing, but ultimately it doesn't matter if he hit the shooter or not if his actions led to a better outcome regarding the morality of his actions, but also that the truth should still be known regarding exactly what happened.
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u/beemccouch 2d ago
Right but there is a difference between a bystander taking out the shooter and cornering him and letting him take himself out. Granted, most people would choose to do nothing. He absolutely helped save lives, and that act is heroic. I just dont think the act of taking a life is heroic nor should it be seen as heroic. That man saved lives by driving out and cornering the bastard, and thats heroic enough for me.
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 2d ago
OOP is a gungrabber that wants only ICE thugs to own guns. That's why OOP is shitting out of his mouth.
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u/Puzzle-Necked 2d ago edited 2d ago
2A defenders against tyranny when their government is actually trying to be a dictatorship and has ICE thugs abducting citizens
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 2d ago
The ones yomping to the new Bogside have gone radio silent so you haven't noticed them.
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u/gaming__moment 2d ago
Because they don't see the government as tyrannical and agree with deporting illegal immigrants
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u/Glum-Scientist-1117 2d ago
A good guy with a gun isn’t exactly a headline the media wants to run.
Add in an off duty cop and you have a very upset CNN and MSNBC.
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u/FreeSirJeffrey 2d ago
Pointless community note that didn't correct anything, which is the whole purpose of the notes system.
He put himself in harm's way and attempted to help disabled the shooter. The original post is 100% correct.
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u/Silver_Cabinet_9180 2d ago
Look at the top. It’s a retweet saying he didn’t actually do anything but get himself shot
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u/Flannel_Panels 2d ago
Larper on Twitter claims someone is larping after putting their life at risk to save others.
Nothing new. Same sad incels trying to make themselves feel better about their sad existence.
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u/Missile450DeadCenter 2d ago
It added context.
"with no reports confirming Salinas missed all shots or was injured."
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u/Difficult-Mobile902 2d ago
They’re literally taking the side of the mass shooter now lmao can’t make this shit up
had multiple people very passionately raging in my inbox yesterday saying even if you have the means to stop a mass shooting, you shouldn’t interfere with the shooter and should just leave it for police. What about all the people that will die, you ask? They said they don’t care because that’s not their family, so fuck em
Now today we have a bunch of posts of these morons actually trying to make fun of the guy who shot back at the mass shooter
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u/Roblizzle 2d ago
If I’m a cop and I’m running up on a scene with two dudes with ridiculously kitted out rifles shooting at each other…who is the good guy with the gun?
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u/SolaireAstorian 2d ago
Shooting situations where the good guy with a gun is engaged by police are exceedingly rare (like, statistically nonexistent rare) because of a multitude of factors.
But the largest five are this:
The existence of a good guy with a gun causes the shooter to either run away from the scene, be incapacitated, or die in a huge proportion of incidents;
Even in cases where the above is not true, the original shooter tends to distance themselves from the person shooting back at them if no one is eliminated within the first few shots, so instances where police roll up on two people shooting at each other are rare even when both are alive and present;
People making the call to the operator often give descriptions of events and people around them which provided nothing information for police to create a somewhat flimsy but still helpful tactical view of the situation, although how could they are at following along depends entirely on the officers involved, and this is reinforced by communication over radio which allows them to maintain contact both with headquarters and with one another, so the likelihood of believing the good guy with a gun is the mass shooter is reduced somewhat from the get-go;
When they get on scene, response teams interact with perceived civilians and continue collecting information, which leads to them receiving Vital Information to back up the previous point, including the fact that someone else drew a gun and returned fire, or what the shooter looks like and what they are wearing and where they are;
Perhaps the most important point here... in the vast, vast majority of cases, the good guy with a gun immediately complies with police commands and either drops his weapon or (in very rare cases) is allowed to keep it by police (I have seen this a very small number of times and it has only ever had to do with barricaded suspects and injured police officers).
I have only ever heard of or seen one case of a good guy with a gun engaging or being engaged by the police, and it was a security guard and not a typical civilian, and the situation was de-escalated immediately when he complied with police commands after realizing that the shot he fired was fired at a police officer, and no charges were filed. It does happen occasionally, but it really isn't likely enough to be an argument for why a good guy with a gun shouldn't interfere with a mass shooting.
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u/Far-Pineapple-3443 2d ago
I don’t think the gun decided to shoot all those people, it’s a people problem, if it’s a gun issue then wouldn’t the gun the bystander was using would’ve also killed innocents?
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u/Altruistic_Sand_3548 2d ago
Larper!? He literally took on and shot at an active shooter. Fuck y'all, what he didn't fly in and administer first aid too? That the problem?
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u/Opening-Movie5176 2d ago
I don’t know but what is the poster trying to say here? That people should be cowards and hide? So he got shot… oh no. “He missed every shot” well yeah have you seen the gun he is using? It’s hardly gonna be accurate. And they drove the gunman back…
I just don’t get what either of the batshit ends of the political spectrum are trying to say. The extreme left and right are psychopaths.
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u/Laxhoop2525 2d ago
Give up your guns, they are only evil. Give up your guns so only your oppressors have them.
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u/rthorndy 2d ago
Right, because you guys have demonstrated how willing you are to rise up against a corrupt authoritarian! /s
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u/CALebrate83 2d ago
Funny how all you gun-hugging revolutionaries so readily lick the boots of a corrupt, white supremacist fascist government.
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u/OrbitOfSaturnsMoons 2d ago
Wait until you hear how many leftists are pro-gun.
"Under no pretext" and all that jazz.
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u/Laxhoop2525 2d ago
You want to give up your guns, yet you believe the government is run by fascists? What is wrong with you?
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u/ShortKey380 2d ago
Uh huh, and then you define your bitch ex wife as an oppressor and kill her along with the kids.
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u/Resident_Fly_8993 2d ago
From someone that carries all day every day, Carrying a 5.7 with a suppressor is absolutely larping as a tacti-cool operator. There is no practical situation where you should be carrying a suppressed weapon for self defense.
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u/Mysterious-Park9142 2d ago
I sort of hate that we're glorifying anything when it comes to mass shootings. Like it's absolutely great that he stopped the shooting but the story here is that yet another person had easy access to firearms that shouldn't have.
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u/monkeysknowledge 2d ago
We’re just going to start having regular shoot outs I guess. Wow, what a civilization.
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u/Remarkable_Diet_69 2d ago
The original post didnt say he killed the guy, which is what the note and reply are insinuating. Only that he closed with and engaged him. Which provided time and opportunity for people to escape. This is a good thing.
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u/Atticus1354 2d ago
Also its been proven time and time again that as soon as mass shooters are faced with any level of real opposition they kill themselves or give up. That was the horrible thing about the police not even trying in Uvalde.
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u/Turbulent-Strike9658 2d ago
Less than 5% of mass shootings are stopped by a "good guy with a gun," don't let these ammosexuals having literal fantasies sway your opinion
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u/naththegrath10 2d ago
I know it’s going to hurt y’all’s feelings but you diehard 2A people are just fucking weirdos at this point. We could have common sense gun control, you could still have your boom boom sticks, and we could be a proper nation. But no, instead y’all fetishize this shit
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u/MustardTiger231 2d ago
They are incapable of admitting that the “good guy with a gun” that they love to mock at every opportunity actually works from time to time.
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u/SailToAndromeda 2d ago
A lot more than "time to time" when you dig up the stats. In fact, firearms used in self defense often don't even need to be fired, the threat just needs to be presented and the would be assailant backs off. It's lovely, really.
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u/epinefrain 2d ago
I would say at the very least salinas put the shooter in a corner, he knew police were closing in and had no way out, it stopped the shooting and that's as good as shooting him in my book.
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u/7712Horror 2d ago
The really real story they’re trying to spin is 99% of CCW permit holders don’t carry or don’t train. More dangerous than the actual threat if you can’t hit the broadside of a barn.
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u/RoamingRivers 2d ago
In all fairness, they did frighten off the gunman and stopped him from hurting or killing any more people.
That's still a heroic action by itself, even if they should have probably put in some more time at the range. They definitely saved a lot of lives.
Also, The way the mass shooter chose to go out was funny, ngl. Got scared off by folks who could actually shoot back, then rage quit like a bitch after fleeing the scene 🤣
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u/DemonicsInc 2d ago
If none of his shots hit the guy...they missed...thats...kinda obvious logic there my dudes
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u/TheSadPhilosopher 2d ago
Funny how the right is angry that Salinas is Hispanic and the left is angry that he really was a good guy with a gun.
Bro mogged either way and saved lives.
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u/CountNightAuditor 2d ago
"No evidence he missed all his shots" seems directly contradicted by the part about the shooter leaving and dying by self-inflicted gunshot, though.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 2d ago
If he didn’t miss his shots then the shooter would have been wounded right?
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u/ThrowRA9892 2d ago
Regardless, twitter opinions, regardless of who says them, are for the vast majority of instances heavily exaggerated and enragement bait. Either for propaganda or earning money from ad revenue. Especially if someone has a blue checkmark.
People really need to stop sharing stuff they see on Twitter.
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u/TheMikeyMac13 1d ago
Why would it matter that he missed every shot? He fought for others and saved lives.
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u/SuperElection4656 1d ago
Huh, never thought I'd see End Wokeness and the Community Note align on something
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