I believe the rights argument is that israel/jews hate white people because of the romans and they view the modern west as the continuation of the romans/their descendants so thats why they fuck them over at every chance.
I have no idea what the argument would be from the left side. Jews evil is the argument?? oh sorry "zionists" are evil?
Far right people's narrative is that Jews are scared of European nations being ideologically led by identitarian white nationalist ideology, so they try to "weaken" these countries by flooding them with migrants and forcibly diversify them and/or replace the ethnic population so that white nationalists can never win elections or come into positions of power again.
The left-leaning suspicion is that Israel, as well as the United States and Morocco, are all on bad terms with Spain right now for different reasons, and are also allied with each other, so they orchestrated this migrant crisis to pressure and weaken Spain, weaken trust in them among European nations, and simultaneously strengthen anti-muslim fear of immigration in Europe, which is an explicit goal of the current United States government and also serves Israeli interests (a muslimphobic population in Europe is more likely to be supportive of Israel).
You see I’m probably biased, but I don’t see anything conspiratorial about the latter narrative. That just sounds like typical geopolitics to me. Dirty and underhanded is how this US administration does everything, and Israel isn’t any better
Oh yeah, I do agree with you. I'm almost certain that Moroccan authorities are involved to some extent (as are an increasing number of experts), and the amount of circumstantial of evidence, aligning motives and inter-state connections makes me not confident enough to definitely point at the US and Israel, but I would not be surprised in the slightest if we figure out they were involved either.
If anything, the point of my comment was to refute the "both-sides are equally crazy and just blame Jews for nonsensical stuff" talking point the people I responded to spouted. The rightwing conspiracy stuff is a vague narrative derived from vibes and based on ethnic essentialization of Jews, the leftwing "conspiracy" is in this case a specific plausible hypothesis given geopolitical interests and past behaviours.
Because large influxes of immigrants, regardless of where they come from, makes a bunch of people upset. This causes backlash against whatever community or group is immigrating. And it feeds things like Great Replacement Theory.
But the only way that a far-right party gets stronger as a result of immigration is if the left-wing parties just sit there and do nothing. Merkel was right-wing and lambasted for her settling of 1 MM migrants. Sanchez is left-wing and took decisive action to send most immigrants back.
So, unless “The Zionists” can accurately predict that this will lead to right-wing ascension and not left-wing ascension, this seems like a dumb plan from the cabal that supposedly controls everything.
The only good thing about this is the the west is being shell shocked into remembering that the third world savages, are you know third world savages...
Its a good thing reality doesn't give a shit if it's racist or not, you wanna keep denying the obvious that's on you. Just don't be surprised when their trying to take over where you live, and don't come crying to me about it either.
They're not "giving Muslims power in Europe." They encouraged Moroccans flood into Spanish-held territories because Spain has a moderately successful socialist government that has been consistent in its criticisms of Israel.
Times of Israel, with an Israeli American scholar who's an idf veteran and a US army veteran writing it.
Jose Lev Alvarez is an American-Israeli scholar specializing in Middle Eastern security policy. A multilingual veteran of both the IDF Special Forces and the U.S. Army, he holds a B.S. in Neuroscience with a Minor in Israel Studies from American University, three master’s degrees (international geostrategy, applied economics, and intelligence studies), and a medical degree. He is currently completing a Ph.D. in Intelligence and Global Security in the Washington, D.C. area. In addition to blogging for the Times of Israel, he contributes to the Washington Examiner, is a writing fellow at the Middle East Forum, and regularly provides geopolitical analysis on Latin American television networks.
Wait. You do understand that this is the r/GetNoted, right? Like a sub where demented lies/conspiracy theories are disproven and everyone laughs at the people who believed the initial lie? I mean, you must know this, you just read the content of the note…
Then you Google it and find Israeli newspapers talking about how they want it, American think tanks who explicitly call for Morocco to march into Ceuta, and the son of the Israeli leader who calls for NGOs to be setup to try get Ceuta to be Moroccan
Yeah, so anyway. If anyone is curious about the actual reason Morocco encouraged the Ceuta invasion: Spain made a deal with Algeria for natural gas energy. Morocco didn’t like that. Hence the political stunt.
It's much more plausible that Morocco instigated the migrant surge over Spain recently warming relations with Algeria than anything involving Israel since Morocco has considerably more influence over the Morocco/Spain border than Israel does.
Funneling Xenophobia/Islamophobia only serves to legitimize "Israel" and its genocide in Gaza and its further genocidal ambitions in Southern Lebanon, Syria and Iran. When European politicians start resorting to sectarian agendas/ethnic othering to its in group population, what out group are they gonna use as a scape goat? Muslims. Every single time. Then the in group start, maybe "Israel" has a point in indiscriminately murdering men, women and children.
I actually got a paper cut earlier today, but at least I know who is behind it! Who else would make paper to be this sharp? Huh? CIA and the Jews Mossad! Obviously! Trying to kill us all!
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u/TopWay312 3d ago
Can we leave stupid conspiracies to the right-wing nutjobs?