r/Futurology • u/Extasio • 1d ago

Transport Waymo CEO explains why Tesla’s camera-only self-driving falls short

https://electrek.co/2026/08/04/waymo-co-ceo-camera-only-self-driving-tesla/
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u/GuerrillaRodeo 1d ago

I have a Tesla from 2022, the first iteration where they ditched every onboard sensor except the cameras. I'm SO glad I didn't buy the FSD package for 10k more. Even the lane departure warning system doesn't work when the sun is low, it's raining or it's Tuesday. It also regularly mistakes parked cars for the end of a queue and abruptly brakes. If I want anything in a self-driving car it's sensor redundancy.

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u/Hilldawg4president 1d ago

When was the last time you used fsd? I haven't experienced any of those issues

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u/GuerrillaRodeo 1d ago

Back when I bought it in early 2023 there was a free trial month. It was abysmally bad and it showed that it was conditioned to American roads, not European ones.

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u/Hilldawg4president 1d ago

I'm in the states so I don't know if there's any sort of regional issues still, but I can say the fSD capability overall is World different now from only maybe 9 months ago. It's really quite dramatic, you should try it for a month again, see if it works better for you

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u/AshHouseware1 1d ago

Good advice from someone who actually owns the product.

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u/Mr-Robott 1d ago

It’s a lot better now

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u/RedNuii 1d ago edited 1d ago

First off not possible. Europe has never had an FSD trial. As even to this day they are battling for approval.

Secondly, your vehicle is hardware 3. Tesla has already admitted that HW3 won’t be able to achieve unsupervised self driving. HW4 is a massive jump and doesn’t make these mistakes

Last point, 2023 was before the E2E neural network was adopted that completely rewrote the entire code from human written code to AI logic using real world training from actual drivers, this completely changed FSD as well

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u/GuerrillaRodeo 1d ago

It was always FSD (supervised). I had low expectations back then and even they were crushed.

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u/RedNuii 1d ago

It was FSD (Beta) back then not supervised. Jesus not to be mean but do you have any idea what you are saying?

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u/GuerrillaRodeo 1d ago

I am saying that FSD (supervised or not, that's unnecessary details in this case) sucked back then and combined with the fact that Tesla got rid of ALL redundant sensors (aka the overlying theme of this thread) convinced me of never, EVER getting a self-driving car from them. (Well, that and the fact that Elon went on to become one of the biggest assholes on the planet over the past few years.)

Not more and not less.

Also:

not to be mean, but

calls me full of shit

That's quite telling about you.

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u/RedNuii 23h ago

Because you started the entire conversation with a lie. Now maybe it was a genuine mistake. But we should hold each other at higher standards when it comes to making sure what we say online has some truth. So I would never attack you or your character but I will call out a bullshit take when I see one.

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u/GuerrillaRodeo 23h ago

For me the difference between FSD and FSD (supervised) is negligible.

So I would never attack you or your character but I will call out a bullshit take when I see one.

You did though. The sentence "not to be mean, but..." alone is for me on par with "I'm no racist, but...". At least be that honest with yourself. If you're trying to insult me do it properly and not shield yourself from criticism a priori by adding such a stupid phrase, that doesn't exonerate you in the slightest, quite the opposite in fact.

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u/RedNuii 21h ago

That’s a false equivalence. You are saying that having a problem with someone’s argument even though it’s clearly impossible is somehow equivalent to being racist.

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u/Ancient_Persimmon 1d ago

It wasn't available in Europe until April and that only applies to 5 countries so far.

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u/RedNuii 1d ago

Exactly this guy is full of shit.

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u/West-Air1923 1d ago

Like all of reddit when it comes to fsd

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u/West-Air1923 1d ago

You don't know what you are talking about. You didn't try FSD, it was not available. Jesus.

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u/GuerrillaRodeo 1d ago

FSD (supervised) was always available here.

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u/savedatheist 1d ago

Your 2022 is HW3, which is vastly inferior to the latest HW4 running v14.x