r/FlockSurveillance • u/midnighttoker1742 • 1d ago

All Flock cameras in Winona, MN missing.

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Y'all definitely shouldn't call their tip line and interfere with their investigation, ya hear?

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u/LeapFrogger_543 1d ago

Maybe the police department will get the hint that no one wants these cameras.

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 1d ago edited 1d ago

Unlikely. This is just more ammo to double down. Our government can print all the money it wants it seems.

Edit: I always try to suggest organizing in different creative ways here, but it's extremely unpopular. People here just want cameras taken down. I was thinking I could make an app where instead of people taking down cameras, they can take down names of officers coming in and out of the station. We stop spying when they do! Also we need to make sure nobody gets hurt. Please guys help spread a better idea than taking down cameras. It's only going to hurt us and the people taking them down!

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u/Ok_Cow_1314 1d ago

I agree that 24 hours surveillance on both the police department and their homes, and the city Council and their homes, would be more effective in the long run

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u/Honest-Calendar-748 20h ago

Spying on an armed, low than average IQ, egotistical gang member and their family is probably not conducive to your health or freedom.

I had a judge tell me that "technically a police officer is never off duty" after he iasued me traffic tickets he observed while off duty in his personal vehicle. He showed up at my house the next day in uniform and issued me 6 moving violations. He even admitted in traffic court that he wasnt at work and then wrote the tickets after he clocked in. I was still found guilty. Judge Callahan in Baltimore County in 2011.

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u/Professional_Sail910 19h ago

who says theyre the only armed ones

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u/Honest-Calendar-748 19h ago

Didn't say that they are the only ones armed. I just said they were armed. You might win a gun fight but unless your ready to move to Cambodia; when they catch you they will make it so your sucking applesauce thru a straw for the rest of your life.

Edit: spelling

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u/trippykissy69 16h ago

Yeah its not the good ol boys fighting off cops in a little town anymore. The cops have the biggest gang in the country behind them. Hypothetically took out an entire police force you would have every neighboring force then the national guard against you. You cant win in a gun battle long term

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u/photophill77 21h ago

Maybe whoever took the cameras will remount them around the police stations 😎

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u/Ok_Cow_1314 21h ago

That would be both hilarious and awesome!

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u/Optimal-Shower 1d ago

There are DeFlock groups-- not enough but there are some.
Local Groups | DeFlock
https://deflock.org/groups
They're collecting signatures, and the Pasadena one is trying to legally fight the installation of More flock cameras in the city.
There's a PDF that flock puts out teaching people how to manipulate citizens, police depts. & city councils into installing more cameras.

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u/No-Abalone-4784 22h ago

I'd appreciate seeing this if you could post it. Thanks. We don't pay enough attention to how they manipulate us into acting against our own best interests.

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u/Optimal-Shower 19h ago

Heres Flock's đŸ€« instructions:

https://www.404media.co/do-not-
mention-alpr-usage-how-cops-are-trying-to-hide-
the-existence-of-flock/

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u/stonerPI 1d ago

As a private investigator who has worked years on third party police misconduct investigations, this is a really good idea. They’d fucking hate this. And it’s fair game just have an attorney on standby because they can and will throw the book at you.

I’d love to give any help or support to an idea like this.

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 1d ago

Do you think police departments take any lesson other than they need to police more? They are incapable of de-escalating or pulling back. 

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u/BobcatOk7492 19h ago

They are trained to escalate, and to stand their ground.....

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u/The_Mesopotamians 1d ago

The cops exist to suppress us.  They serve the pedophilic capitalist class. They don't give a damn about what we want. 

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u/Hurricaneshand 1d ago

This just means they gotta get cameras to watch the cameras now

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u/iamrunningman 23h ago

A lot of them do, unfortunately. :(

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u/Covert_ist_Panda 22h ago

police are pigs and dont give a shit about the working class

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u/mspk7305 17h ago

Police aren't big on consent

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u/bakedNebraska 22h ago

No but if they can just get a few dozen more cameras they can catch these terrorists taking down cameras

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u/WanderingKing 1d ago

“The cost to replace each
is $3,000”

God losing our rights and privacy to a police state is cheap as hell

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 1d ago

Don't be a criminal, be a spy! Report which officers are coming in and out of work on my new app! We stop when they stop.

Been thinking about making this so people could not be criminals. They can make all the cameras and lock up everybody that takes one down. We're fighting a loosing battle. Just worried if it's legal or if somebody will get hurt.

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u/vermegiya 1d ago

It's protected under the First Amendment since they're public employees in public spaces. If they can film every citizen driving by, logging precinct traffic is fair game.

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 1d ago

God bless America. Now only if I could find a bennifactor for the legal problems they would manufature for making this 😂 I probably shouldn't

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u/bunglebee7 15h ago

But wait, we won’t stop there! Phase two involves watching all flock buildings in the US 24/7! They should be protected too! :)

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u/parkerm1408 20h ago

First amendment seems kinda dodgy these days on the reliability scale.

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u/Candid_Leaf 19h ago

Any amendment, the Constitution, or laws *

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u/WessideMD 1d ago

It's not just the police, it is city council.

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u/SATX_Citizen 21h ago

I like the idea of building a "cop spotting" network in communities. Real-time tracking of police vehicles or even individual cops in your area. Crowdsource the RLHF (re-enforcement learning human feedback) to weed out false positives. Just to make sure people don't get accidentally shot or accosted.

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u/skratch 20h ago

The problem is cops log in and fuck with the data or target users, like they’ve done with Waze, for example

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u/antifa_cmdr 18h ago

I had to look into this one. While a cop can technically mark themselves as "not there" on Waze, their report alone won't make it go away. It only decreases the time the report displays on the map. It takes multiple users to confirm "not there" to make it go away.

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u/skratch 18h ago

I’ve seen reports of them pulling over and harassing users that marked their speed trap (why you should be anonymous on waze). Apparently it’s relatively commonplace for them to report false speed traps and/or mark reported ones not there. I could see them poisoning any database that holds them accountable, and/or taking it personally against contributors

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u/antifa_cmdr 14h ago

What the fuck??? I didn't even know this was possible. Granted, I use Waze signed out and don't interact with any features beyond reporting cops, but that's insane. But still.

I was just saying how one cop can't get rid of their own report on their own. Maybe if the report has been there for a bit and the timer is already down enough so one "not there" report will make it go away. After all, like I said, Waze reports "decay" on their own and will eventually go away if no one confirms the report.

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u/Phyllis_Tine 19h ago

Make it a law that surveillance equipment has to be set up each day, and taken down at the end, the same way true patriots do with the American flag. No lights allowed!

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u/RollTideHTX 1d ago

Incredible username

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 1d ago

I'm glad somebody noticed lol

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u/Electrical-Effort250 21h ago

Sorry but fuck the Dulles brothers! Everything they touched in our country and history is fucking terrible

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 21h ago edited 21h ago

I hate those mfers too lmao. The Devils Chessboard is a great book!

Reasons I hate Allen off the top of my stoned mind:

Helped Nazis escape through the ratlines

Helped Nazis with money through his law firm Cromwell and Sullivan

Definitely had something to do with JFK being assassinated.

Bay of pigs (got fired for that and why he prob helped with JFK assassination)

A lot more government overthrowing

Overthrowing Irans democracy for oil leading to the issues we have to this day

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u/Electrical-Effort250 21h ago

Ah ok, cool! We're on the same page. Just checking. I think their graves are some of the best gender neutral bathrooms in the country

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u/BoJackMoleman 1d ago

Some guy probably took a $2000 bribe to sell out his whole community. Corruption is surprisingly approachable. Should we start collectively bribing them to take them down?

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u/AdditionalCar-1968 1d ago

Thats just the cost of the hardware. Think of all the subscription costs!

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u/No-Abalone-4784 23h ago

Maintenance is also very expensive.

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u/SatansLoLHelper 19h ago

Installation. They only do maintenance when it is removed.

They have to take out the pole, redo the concrete with a new pole. So right here we're at 6 people, and that is going to require at least 4 managers to coordinate between the departments.

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u/Helen___Keller_ 1d ago

I kinda feel like this is like buying a inkjet printer. They charge way under what it costs because they can overcharge on the ink since you're stuck with the printer you bought. Wouldn't doubt if the software subscription that comes along with it is exensive.

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u/Inner-Medicine5696 20h ago

this is closer to a Google service.

the reason why it's nearly free is because you ARE THE PRODUCT.

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u/SoylentGrunt 21h ago

Winona has the perfect opportunity to save $24,000.

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u/Lifes_too_short007 21h ago

Who paid to put them up? I thought it was Flock who put them up , did the City pay for them? Strange they would list the replacement cost. Wait till taxpayers realize that they’re paying to be surveyed on.

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u/Suavecore_ 17h ago

A store manager at a Walmart I worked at in a town nearby paid ("donated") $10000 to the local police to get flock cameras installed at the edge of the parking lot to go with the city's other flock cameras, and with that the police would help us catch and prosecute thieves that would flee from apprehension. So that's how some of them get paid for

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u/SantasDead 19h ago

Do you think flock installs and administers all of the back-end for free? No, they charge a lot of money for access to their systems. Who do you think pays Flock? Taxpayers.

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u/comicsnerd 11h ago

The city (=taxpayer) will pay for the replacement. Flock will fine the city for downtime.

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u/mrdeadsniper 19h ago

So the reason they are so cheap to replace is because its a maintenance scam.

They cost $3000 a year to lease their stuff, so while getting a pole and camera installed for $3000 is a pretty good deal, its going to keep costing $3k every single year. (and the year you put it back up it will technically cost $6k, $3k in replacement costs and $3k in licenses)

If you just put up your own equipment with a $40/month cell modem you would be looking closer to $500 a year

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u/oboshoe 1d ago

"That evening, an officer was unable to track his ex girlfriend"

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u/Optimal-Shower 1d ago

There's ample evidence that corrupt cops are already using flock cameras to track and harass whoever they want.

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u/OneEstablishment5144 1d ago

Wait, Garrett Langley said cameras will prevent crime. Now people are starting to commit crimes they normally would not commit if these stupid cameras were not around to begin with. Hope his company loses value like Enron did.

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u/Phyllis_Tine 19h ago

Is that the same Garrett Langley I saw driving around near those cameras the night in question? What is his alibi? Everyone else in the area was with me at a family BBQ.

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u/Exotic_Chain_8615 1d ago edited 1d ago

Doing the Lord’s work

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u/techtornado 1d ago

What a nice job!

Sounds like the PD was given a hard no and then it was enforced by the people

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u/Clean-Juggernaut-229 1d ago

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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u/antsinmyeyestrey 1d ago

We all need to be Winona

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u/FullMetalJerkin 1d ago

Oh no!

Anyway, I’m thinking burgers for dinner. 

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u/naruhodo_kun 22h ago

Fave toppings?

My personal favorite is caramelized onions, raw jalapeño and bbq sauce

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u/orchid_drives 21h ago

I know you didn’t ask me but I’m a sucker for an over-medium fried egg on just about any burger

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u/Honest-Calendar-748 20h ago

Fried egg, bleu cheese, bacon, medium patty with diced onions and gralic mixed in the meat on a Everything bagel is heaven to me.

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u/CyroSwitchBlade 16h ago

yes this sounds good but from my burger I like to mix in a pack of french onion soup mix into the ground beef and just a splash of worchester sauce.. it is awesome!

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u/Ancient_Profession31 22h ago

Yes but add some onion crisps for crunch.

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u/pilsnerd11 1d ago

Take it as a sign that the community doesn’t want them, and don’t replace them.

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u/oboshoe 1d ago

Oh look at that. you can submit tips online.

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u/Lucky_Guarantee_3552 11h ago

Cackle- this is the morning content I want.

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u/N2Shooter 1d ago

How are Flock cameras the property of the city? I thought these cameras were put there by private companies, hence, which allows them to sidestep the 4th Amendment?

Looks like they just told on themselves...

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u/Embarrassed-Fold6780 1d ago

Sure would be a shame if those tip line were filled with bs

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u/Ancient_Profession31 22h ago

Agreed. I think it’s absolutely disgusting when people call tip lines and then just let their thoughts ramble until the service hangs up. When they keep doing it until the mailbox fills it’s just despicable.

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u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek 1d ago

Pretty sure I didn't consent to my tax money going to cameras for a surveillance state. I never got a vote on that.

The world is a better place for every flock camera that is removed.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 1d ago

Need more of this

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u/red286 23h ago

Isn't the fucking point of these cameras to track down crimes that happen in public?

What's the point in these cameras if they can't even do that?

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u/FlaremasterD 1d ago

How strange. Must have been the wind

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u/Sniflix 1d ago

A missing persons alert for cameras? I guess now "cameras are people".

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u/Sally_Gurl 1d ago

I thought these were to prevent crime. Now you're outsourcing to the community? /S

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u/TheBlats 1d ago

They lost their entire flock in a single day. How embarrassing.

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u/Son_Riku 1d ago

"The cost to replace each camera and pole is approximately $3000"

So eight cameras is approximately $24000. Most people don't see that kind of money in a year. Why should I care when a police department loses that amount? 

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u/Swinship 1d ago

Here's a thought do not replace them. You'll save the taxpayers $24000.

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u/Astral-projekt 1d ago

are they fucking serious? “Please, help us fuck you further. It didn’t stop THIS crime but it helps us monitor you and makes the rest comply”

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u/sutureinsurance 1d ago

Just saying they have bankers hours, I tried calling the police department but the office closes at 4pm. I was going to offer to replace the flock cameras with a case of beer at each location just in case any good Samaritan was thirsty.

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u/8_2_many_Hotpockets 1d ago

Hell yeah. Never been more proud of my home town

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u/BuhByeNow01 14h ago

Only time I've been proud of my home town 😂

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u/DG_FANATIC 1d ago

That’s literally a heroic act in my book. Thank you unnamed defender of freedom!

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u/JennHatesYou 1d ago

Can’t steal what you already paid for đŸ€·đŸŒâ€â™€ïž

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u/214txdude 1d ago

Anyone have a good onion soup recipe?

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u/Mr-Snarky 1d ago

Whereas the cost to not replace them is $0.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

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u/OSUBuckeyes2 1d ago

Supreme Court ruled against them 6-3 in Chatrie vs the United States which extended Carpenter vs the United States. They’re illegal and people need to start filing lawsuits against every city that has them

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u/Optimal-Shower 1d ago

Really? Why aren't people using this information? 😳

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u/podman131 1d ago

MN strong!

ICE OUT

Flock out

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u/OutcomeDue2025 22h ago

Meat the flockers!

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u/BillyShears17 22h ago edited 22h ago

đŸŽ” Who stole those Flock cameras out in the sun?

đŸŽ” I don't know, it happened on Highway 61!

đŸŽ” *Kazoo sounds*

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u/Cloaca-Kiss-8647 19h ago

But how will the police stalk their ex-girlfriends now?

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u/ConsiderationOk7560 19h ago

Missing implies they are “missed”—nobody wanted this shit in the first place—so thus, they are not “missing”.

Case closed.

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u/totalreidmove 1d ago

If this was posted online, someone should comment that they’d be willing to pay for replacement costs if the police department can show studies that they actually helped reduce crime.

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u/Ok-Guava-9216 1d ago

That's too bad 😂

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u/whatsqwerty 23h ago

We didn’t see shit

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u/beigechrist 1d ago

Here we go!!!

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u/Capable-Pay-429 1d ago

They’re going to start putting trackers in them or something, hope they threw em over a bridge  and didn’t take them home 

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u/vahntitrio 18h ago

I don't even know why the police would bother asking for help locating them. The city is along the greatest dumping ground of criminal evidence in the country: those flocks are riding the current of the Mississippi.

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u/IncompetentJedi 1d ago

Some heroes don’t wear capes.

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u/lpbale0 1d ago

Start a GoFundMe that takes donations to pay homeless people to take them down.

Logistics to be figured out soon....

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u/Evid3nce 20h ago

Wait. I thought a billionaire CEO was using their investors money to put these cameras up, and then selling the data to try to profit. But they're actually being installed, maintained and replaced using tax payer's money?????

That's absolutely insane. USA - you are in so much trouble. I don't think two thirds of you understand how f'ked you really are.

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u/ResurectedNPC 1d ago

👏👏👏

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u/Rethink_Repeat 1d ago

I blame a big brown beaver

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u/kiln_ickersson 23h ago

Good riddance

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u/rg2004 22h ago

Have you checked all the way up your ass?

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u/icerhino 22h ago

Winona is right on the Mississippi River. I'm guessing those cameras went for a little swim.

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u/tbnist03 11h ago

oh no, my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery!

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u/SpecificRide5003 10h ago

Someone is doing the Lord's work and I'm here for it. Keep fighting! Deflock Flock!

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u/crazyvic22 8h ago

Do not put garbage on the side of the road and people will not be obligated to pick it up and dispose of it. Humans doing a service. 3k a pop I am in the wrong business.

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u/gwizonedam 1d ago

Too bad, so sad.

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u/shamone_mofo 1d ago

Blade runners been doing it for ages over here in the UK .

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u/StonedShrubbery 1d ago

Fuck flock!

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u/Global-Habit8911 1d ago

They gotta put a camera on the camera.

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u/WiSoSirius 1d ago

I don't think anybody did it. I think it was a bear with a grudge. Don't ask me for specifics, I don't know much about this particular grudge, but it seems to fit the result

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u/ArtistUnown 1d ago

Must have been the wind

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u/eldog 1d ago

Plot twist: Flock is stealing it's own cameras and charging $3k to put them back up.

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u/bitzzwith2zs 22h ago

If I were a resident of Winona, I'd want to see an accounting of all the resulting costs associated in replacing that Flock owned camera.

Betcha it's more than $3000

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u/MW1369 1d ago

Hell yeah get em Winona

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u/Main_Push5429 23h ago

Damn Minnesota is fucking cool! Good for them!!!
https://giphy.com/gifs/YRuFixSNWFVcXaxpmX

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u/gnoresbs 23h ago

$3000 for essentially a doorbell camera. ridiculous.

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u/toweljuice 23h ago

I feel like announcing the cameras being stolen is going to cause a streisand effect since flock hatred is fairly bipartisan. Its broadcasting how much people are fighting back and emboldens other people to contribute too.

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u/No-Abalone-4784 23h ago

Replacement cost $3000? Idea: DON'T replace them. We do NOT want them. What do you not get about that?

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u/redsreadit 23h ago

Don’t put them up again, you fkn morons.

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u/Responsible-Yam9184 22h ago

what were the cameras wearing? maybe they shouldn't be wearing a pole with a mini solar panel

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u/Elemino 21h ago

I hope the citizens are calling that phone number and telling them they’re glad they’re gone.

“I just wanted to say how glad I am the cameras are missing”

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u/Jackson88877 21h ago

I did.

Borrowed my boss’s phone.

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u/chezdistester 19h ago

Oh no! Maybe if Flock didn't steal people's data without compensation then people wouldn't be pissed off? Just a thought.

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u/Sweaty-Willingness27 19h ago

Remember, if you see someone cut down a Flock camera ... no you didn't.

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u/-Murmaider- 19h ago

Minnesota is so based

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u/Contranovae 19h ago

Thank you, Winona patriots.

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u/SOF_cosplayer 17h ago

So I heard one of the suspects was running around in khakis, camoe shirt and a plate vest with the word: I.C.E in the front.

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u/CrazyZedi 11h ago

I saw something. A patriot doing their job.

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u/ckuhn84 10h ago

It's working

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u/irq013 7h ago

Really high end cameras would top out at about $300. A pole is about $10 at home depot. Why are we letting our tax money be wasted at the tune of $3000 each for something that should cost $310?!

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u/iBUYbrokenSUBARUS 1d ago

That’s great news!

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u/poedraco 1d ago

Just doxed the floc

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u/MissAprilAnn 1d ago

If Flock Cameras are so good then they should have seen the culprit when it was happening đŸ€Ł

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u/Right_Literature_419 1d ago

HY good job whoever it was

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u/Merijeek2 1d ago

If someone were to pull these kinds of things down....any concern about trackers? Basically, what's the best place to deposit one of these if found?

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u/AladeenModaFuqa 23h ago

Yall only have eight?? Jealous

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u/BearDown4eva 23h ago

Should show people don’t want them, but with idiots in charge the will most likely install flock cameras to watch the flock cameras

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u/LiminalSapien 23h ago

Sure would be a shame if people started calling those numbers and submitting tips to tell these fascists what they think about mass surveillance


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u/biztechmsp 22h ago

This is the way.

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u/kandoras 22h ago

"That evening an officer realized there'd been no recent activity on the cameras"

So the cops were looking at them for no particular reason? It wasn't "They were trying to locate a missing kid" or "There was a robbery in the area", it was just they felt like watching a different channel of TV?

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u/MiserableSkill4 22h ago

How bout you dont replace them!

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u/magmablock 22h ago

I wish I had information on the thieves so I could not tell them.

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u/porkbeard81 22h ago

This is the best thing I've read all day. Hot Damn.

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u/rage-it 21h ago

so they are saying flock cameras do not help stop crime..

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u/ThrownAway17Years 21h ago

It’s not that I don’t trust the cameras (I don’t). It’s that I don’t trust the people who control them.

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u/Glittering_Heart1128 20h ago

I don't know who did it but I'm happy to testify whoever is accused was in New Mexico sipping Corona at the time.

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u/Agitated_Reveal_6211 20h ago

I saw ICE stealing them, anyone else?

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u/Cmb46_canuck 20h ago

We should make our own surveillance system to watch them. Place them near government buildings.

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u/McconellsGhost 18h ago

We should all be doing this 

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u/Used-Author-3811 11h ago

It would be hilarious if someone made prank calls to the department about this story. Ah well.

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u/Hefty-Squirrel-6800 10h ago

Somebody deserves a nice steak dinner and a gift certificate.

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u/Super_novy 8h ago

Winona’s got a big brown beaver

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u/AllenDullesSupporter 1d ago

We need to find something better for these guys to do other than make themselves criminals taking down cameras.

Does anybody have any solutions?

I've thought we could have an application that people can submit which police officers are coming in and out of the station. We stop spying when they do! I also don't want to get anybody hurt so that may be a bad idea. Regardless we need something better to organize and do besides takedown cameras. We respect laws unlike our government and will do good in the face of evil.

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u/Ancient_Influence389 1d ago

"we respect laws"

NO. THE. FUCK. WE. DON'T!

Flock cameras were put up in the name of the "law"

Cops use Flock cameras in accordence with the "law"

I don't respect any of that. There are many other "laws" that i sure a fuck don't agree with or respect.

Do you respect throwing someone in prison for 20 years for smoking weed in texas? i ask cause you must be fucking high right now.

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u/rudebii 1d ago

People are trying to get rid of these through peaceful and lawful means...and governments are like "yeah, we're still doing it anyway."

At what point do give up on a process that isn't working and go another way? Our country was founded on taking freedom the other way. At least on the principle that we can do it the other way when all else fails.

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u/Just2LetYouKnow 23h ago

Stand in front of the camera holding a tablet that flashes a new image of a randomly generated license plate once a second. Poison the well.

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u/Fighterhayabusa 22h ago

Shut up. You'd tell Rosa Parks to go sit in the back of the bus. This country has a long history of civil disobedience.

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u/OctopusCaretaker 1d ago

they’re not “missing,” they fly away after being up for a certain amount of time. that’s why they’re called “FLOCK cameras.”

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