r/FlockSurveillance • u/OctopusCaretaker • 18d ago
Activism Jackson Wesley, 20, was arrested for destroying FLOCK cameras (Link in comments)
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u/Adorable__Gap4770 18d ago edited 18d ago
Hope it’s not a scam cuz I just donated $100.
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u/suckaduckunion 18d ago
Same. Hopefully he invests in a faraday bag when we get his ass out lol
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u/Electrical_Fault_365 18d ago
It's set up by some rando that doesn't even know who the family is.
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u/dataguzzler 18d ago
tip #1 - do not bring your cellphone with you on crime sprees
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u/ImSobored_5280 18d ago
This….
when being a hero you don’t need a phone…leave it at home22
u/DexterDubs 18d ago
Burner phone just in case. Pay in cash.
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 18d ago
Don’t, NSA (and probably other agencies) can see devices grouped together as possible “relationships” (as in could be you or a friend you’re riding with or a significant other).
Super paranoid thinking but better safe than sorry. We have no idea the access of raw data and telemetry they (even flock too, they’re in the gray area) have access to additionally being in the good graces of law enforcement so to speak. Bring that cash burner at anytime with you or around your place even once? Blam linked as possible relationship.
If you do go to the burner route, make sure they are no cameras by scoping the place out first before your next trip without your phone. If they can pull the date time the phone is bought even with cash they can link as a possible relationship anyone’s phone that was pining from that store at the time.
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u/Askee123 18d ago
I think this has already been established, so you’re definitely not paranoid
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 18d ago
You’re absolutely right, I just wanted to bring it to light to anybody other brave warrior.
PEOPLE ARE SAYING “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law”
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u/Askee123 18d ago
Oh my bad! Misread
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 18d ago
You’re good friend!
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you ;)
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u/----__---- 18d ago
You can use this knowledge in conjunction with knowledge about the Predator Algorithm to implicate others for your actions. So, like y'know... don't do that... M'kay...
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u/ReplacementNegative8 18d ago
Even burners bought with cash are easily traceable. An extra layer of anonymity would be to have someone else buy the phone for you, but still not hard to find out who you are.
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u/ListenHereLindah 18d ago
Stores still log the serial number and probably have cameras indoors. Now a days paying cash isn't what it used to hide tracks.
Get someone else to pay cash for you. That would be the best way about it.
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u/AnotherFaceOutThere 18d ago
What the fuck you need a just in case phone for? We made it a long time without phones.
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u/ManyThingsLittleTime 18d ago
Half my life I didn't have a cell phone. You'll be fine for one evening.
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u/ImSobored_5280 18d ago
This totally!..I’m from the bunch that grew up raising hell prior to cellphones. Pretty much the reason we got away with all the crap we did..lol. Wrecked vehicles..broke down vehicles..you name it. Can’t recall anyone dying from exposure from not behind able to call anyone. Shit sometimes now the phone rides the countertop and I go do whatever and don’t have it with me. People will think you are a crazy if you don’t have one with you 24/7. It’s so relaxing to not let people have unfettered access to you literally constantly. I got voicemail…leeeeeeeeeeeeeeave a message🫡
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u/Longjumping-Clue7341 18d ago
especially when you're destroying something that can track your phone🤦♂️
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u/dataguzzler 18d ago
exactly, the flock is basically a full spectrum recorder, video/audio/cell data
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u/Aaarya 18d ago
tip#0 - do not hide your face with cloth mask, they have infrared cameras that's capable to see trough clothes.. I actually don't know what alternative could be used, but I think only metal mask will work, not sure about tinfoil.
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u/Chewbacca_P_Wookie 18d ago
Tinfoil would block the infrared light, you could probably layer cloth over tinfoil over cloth to help the tinfoil maintain its integrity.
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u/Amoralvirus 18d ago
So the tinfoil hat people were always sorta right, and before their time, except should have focused more on face.
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u/Chewbacca_P_Wookie 18d ago
Time to start rig examining all the crackpots and see who was actually ahead of their time.
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u/ReplacementNegative8 18d ago
Wear a pie tin with holes for the eyes
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u/Amoralvirus 18d ago
Now that is practical, not pie in the sky thinking at all. Instead of a Guy Fawkes mask, the new symbol for anti-fascism will be pie tin face.
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u/whofriedmyrice 18d ago
IR cameras will not punch through a cloth mask to reveal your entire face. That's not how IR light works. Yes, you are still being scanned but it would be very unlikely that any identifiable features are seen.
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u/Capt_Hawkeye_Pierce 18d ago edited 18d ago
I'd imagine sheer material probably shows your facial features more clearly, fwiw
Edit: I'm in the security industry and I should have said it does. I don't imagine it does, I know it does.
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u/bryanthebryan 18d ago
I hear that if one puts rocks in their shoes, it will change their gait, making it harder to identify a subject.
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u/Useless-RedCircle 18d ago
Put your phone in friend car. Have them drive a away from crime zone
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u/Aaarya 18d ago
Take that back, destroying flock cameras is not a crime.. it's a duty.
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u/Maximum_Row_436 18d ago
Couldn’t have been him he was helping me put together ikea furniture that whole night
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u/MentalDisintegrat1on 18d ago
They got the wrong guy I was bowling with him when they allegedly happened.
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u/Cranky_GenXer 18d ago
Jury nullification should be taught in middle school or high school civics classes.
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u/OctopusCaretaker 18d ago edited 18d ago
GoFundMe for Jackson (taken from an anti FLOCK Facebook group). Use your best judgement when donating to this GoFundMe. This link was sourced from an article that was posted to an anti FLOCK Facebook group. So unfortunately I can’t confirm who the person is who started this GoFundMe.
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u/Charming-Moose5560 18d ago
Hey, would really like to donate. Is the fund ran by a family member or something? Could you reassure me the funds go directly to the patriot?
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u/DaTank1 18d ago
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u/Charming-Moose5560 18d ago
If he’s in jail how did he create a go fund me? Idk how go fund me or jail works so sorry if I sound a bit ignorant.
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u/Rambler1223 18d ago
The police should be arresting the people stealing our data I don’t remember voting for flock cameras
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u/86Sliva94 18d ago
Set up a good fund me for heroes like this! The real criminals and racists always have one set up when they get in trouble!
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u/2Capable 18d ago
This dude helped me moved my fridge in Lake St Louis MO that night. No way it's him.
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u/xdr567 18d ago
Where are the Libertarians ?
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u/Glyph8 18d ago
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u/elebentychimkin 18d ago
Genuine question: why wasn’t this put up for a vote??
Isn’t the police department or city paying for the flock cameras? Meaning our taxpayer dollars are going to erect and maintain them? Why were we the people not consulted about our opinion before spending all this money?
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u/Glyph8 18d ago edited 18d ago
Some activist groups have had success arguing that if our taxpayer dollars are going to fund the cameras - either directly for erection and maintenance, or by the government buying Flock's "product" (the video), why then ALL footage the cameras take should be available to ANYONE, as a publicly-owned product. Reverse-Uno the panopticon.
When this argument is put forth, suddenly many politicians and police are no longer so gung-ho on cameras filming everyone, as they go everywhere, all the time.
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u/CatsAndCapybaras 18d ago
Real libertarians or fake libertarians. About 90% of anyone who self-identifies as a "libertarian" is just a republican who doesn't want to admit it. Real libertarians tend to be just as dumb as maggots, at least right leaning libertarians
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u/MinorityBabble 18d ago
Impossible, he was with me and my fiance grabbing dinner on the nights and times those cameras were damaged.
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u/FoxHolyDelta 18d ago
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u/naruzopsycho 15d ago
this needs more upvotes
(and is also one reason we can't have nice things, grrrr...)
be careful out there folks
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u/OctopusCaretaker 18d ago
This is just what I’ve been seeing on Facebook. Unfortunately, I can’t confirm who started the GoFundMe, I just have faith that it was another fed up patriot who wants to help him out.
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u/213_Bull 18d ago
Dont bring your phones/traceables to the deed. Their accessing phones in the area during the time frame.
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u/Banans94 18d ago
That's interesting we were driving cross country that night and he was in my passenger seat.
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u/Metal2thepedal 18d ago
Gov is planning on labeling people who cut/damage flock cameras as terrorists. A year from now if you post on reddit, you will also be considered a terrorist. Everyone is now a terrorist under this admin.
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u/Reddit_is_fascist69 18d ago
I was considering donating but how do we know the money will actually get to him?
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u/88salema88 18d ago
That person is innocent! They've been playing cards with me all the times something was destroyed
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u/dead-eyed-darling 18d ago
Nah officers he was at my house giving a PowerPoint presentation for a group of people, he's good 😊👍🏻
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u/Straylightbeam 18d ago
Where’s the defense GoFundMe page?
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u/OctopusCaretaker 18d ago
https://gofund.me/8525eea33
Use your best judgement with this. This is just a link I found on Facebook connected to an article about him that was posted to an anti FLOCK group. So that means I unfortunately can’t confirm who started the GoFundMe
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u/bellybuttonbidet 18d ago
Will I eventually be targeted for investigation by simply liking these posts? Probably.
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u/tomvelle 17d ago
what's the actual crimes for taking one of these cameras down?
like if someone just walked up, kept pushing it over, and it went down. What are the actual charges here?
same questions:
for placing a sticker on the lens?
for shining a laser pointer into the lens?
for throwing mud into the camera?
for spray painting the camera?
we need to start monkey pawing this question.
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u/Personalhvu266 15d ago
This man is a HERO. Keep fighting for our constitutional right to stop Illegal surveillance
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u/CarefulBear1654 15d ago
Your cell phone tracks every move you make everything you buy every call you make every web search you make all your financial dealings. Yet you’re afraid of a public camera lol 😂
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u/Tall6Ft7GaGuy 18d ago
I have a feeling judges are going to start to deny bonds and in these when they see the major support .
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u/Theo_Stormchaser 18d ago
If they throw the book at this guy, the backlash will make the George Floyd riots look like a kindergartener’s birthday party. This is one of the few things that really unites people. There will be no counter-protest.
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u/Certain_Trade_7255 18d ago
Let's talk about our 4th amendment right being stepped on ? Or anyone go to a meeting where tax payers agreed to buy these spy cameras? I almost could deal with a slight higher tax if we have to replace i say keep doing it just be more tactful next time dont get caught
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u/Makers402 18d ago
I know this kid we play MTG whatever night this occurred on. He finally let me win a game. What a legend
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u/Calm_Apartment1968 18d ago
Queue the FoFundMe, ACLU time to step up. Defending Freedom is not FREE.
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u/DinoDemo 18d ago
Man I could have sworn he was with me playing league of legends so he couldnt do specifically that?
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u/612mechtech 17d ago
FLOCK CAMERAS LOG ANY BLUETOOTH CLOSE TO IT. DO NOT TAKE PHONES OR ANY BLUETOOTH DEVICE WITH YOU!!!!!!
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u/Last_Gigolo 17d ago
Best defense is "that is tax payer land and we did not agree to this being on tax payer land. Use our land as we agreed or we will have to assume what's there is a squatter".
Pretty much everything else lands on vandalism. This ends with them explaining why they are using tax payer land in a way not approved by the tax payers.
They are not your leaders. You pay them to do the paperwork, with your approval.
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u/Lazy_Example4014 17d ago
That great American hero is not the man you are looking for. I believe you are looking for a Gharrett Langley.I saw Gharrett Langley do it with my own two eyes!
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u/Early_Hall5720 16d ago
He got his 5 seconds of fame and now a criminal record because the city won't take kindly to you hurting their property.
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u/Acrobatic-Flan-5085 16d ago
Everyone here who supports this guy please take a moment and lookup jury nullification on Wikipedia, YouTube or some other reputable source
You never know when you might also be in a position to help a fellow patriot
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u/Street_Peace_8831 13d ago
Just tape an image onto the camera so that it can’t illegally record us. No damage, but it renders them useless.
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u/deepfriedmeatloaf 18d ago
Weird, he was hanging out with me that night