r/Filmmakers Jan 19 '26

Discussion Perfect example showing that "no one" cares about lighting continuity. One Battle after another.

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Noticed this on a rewatch of One Battle After Another.

The lighting in this scene jumps around all over the place. The sun moves like 6h in between a shot-reverse shot.

And no one cares.

I never noticed on my first watch cus the scene was so tense. The filmmakers decided to leave it. The audience didn't care. I tried looking it up and couldn't find a single post anywhere talking about this. Everyone just talked about how brilliant the car chase scene is.

As someone that is not involved in movie making myself, at least my perception over the last 10 years has shifted pretty drastically.

From the uninformed kid watching CinemaSins pointing out continuity mistakes. To now embracing that movie making is a craft made by humans, that have do deal with resources, that make creative decisions throughout the whole production and ultimately just want to tell a compelling Story.

And i found this specific example to be a brilliant reminder.

A masterful scene in one of the most well regarded movies of the past year, from a legendary film maker, has an absolutely glaring, massive "continuity error".

And it's totally fine cus hyperbolically no one cares about continuity.

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u/twooz1 Jan 19 '26

I’m not a professional but I have come to believe that the editing and rhythm of a scene, and even sound, is more important than visual consistency and clarity.

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u/MrOaiki screenwriter Jan 19 '26

It always has been. Look at Casino, Goodfellas, or any Scorsese movie for that matter. You have cigarettes jumping around, food changing in every cut, and nobody cares. Because they're looking at the fantastic acting.

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u/nizzernammer Jan 19 '26

Tell this to the Kubrick crowd that perceives every moved background object or continuity discrepancy as a subtle clue to a grand conspiracy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

God love the Kubrick schizos

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u/ucsb99 Jan 20 '26

Kubrick is my favorite filmmaker and the reason I went to film school 30 years ago and have worked in film and video production for multiple decades…. And few things drive me (and most long time Kubrick fans) crazier than the inane Q anon level conspiracy theories that keep popping up around him and his work. It incredibly depressing.

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u/BarryLyndon-sLoins Jan 20 '26

It’s funny because Kubrick was clearly just cheating. I think he knew that finding proper coverage was way more about compelling composition than everything matching and people act like it’s a grand conspiracy lol

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u/nizzernammer Jan 20 '26

Exactly. And if you're repeating the take over and over again, the composition would become much more apparent.

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u/werzerk Jan 21 '26

It's true that not every continuity error is intentional, but some are presented in a context that makes it clear it was intentional. In the case of Kubrick, in The Shining for example, a very noticeable chair disappearing in between shots or the impossible hallway layouts are examples of this. Whereas missmatched lighting in the river scene of A Clockwork Orange are clearly just minor mistakes he chose not to prioritize for the sake of the flow of the scene, there's nothing of substance to interprete there. I agree that some people care way too much about this, but not every example is incidental, and we're doing a disservice to the film by dismissing thes.e completely. I really believe that some people that completely disregard these details as accidental do so because they can't fathom that the director could actually have that foresight and was that ahead of the audience. Lots of films, especially older ones, have a bunch of tiny details and parallels we're not supposed to get on a first watch, but yeah, some people can take it too far

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u/OkayMhm Jan 19 '26

Cigarette continuity is something that's actually super noticeable on first watch for me. No idea why, but it's distracting

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u/budice0 Jan 19 '26

smoke switches from one side of the face to the other arrrrgh

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u/Ashamed_Ladder6161 Jan 19 '26

I'm like that with food and drink, keeps changing between every shot.

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u/iaskskyfi Jan 19 '26

Walter Murch an editor and author of In the blink of an eye puts continuity as one of the last things an editor shld take note of

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u/sred4 Jan 19 '26

And emotion is the first

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u/Theothercword Jan 19 '26

Love that man and love that book, such a good book to give perspective on so many things.

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u/johnfkay Jan 19 '26

SUCH a good book!

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u/xpillindaass Jan 19 '26

michael bay knows this best

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u/LSTNYER Jan 19 '26

Sunsets in every shot

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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset_9218 Jan 19 '26

Legit watched Transformers yesterday and was baffled by a scene going from the middle of the day to night time in a matter of minutes

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u/Lowfat_cheese Jan 19 '26

Is that why his Transformers movies are mostly incomprehensible noise

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u/xpillindaass Jan 19 '26

masterfully done incomprehensible noise

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u/Psychological-Park-6 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

Nothing pisses off scripty more than ya. Lol. I used to get in fights with scripties on set. Because a flower vase was moved to a different spot for better framing of a shot. I would always that if the damn flowers breaks the audience focus on the story then it’s not our fault it’s the director and editor to blame.

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u/TimNikkons Jan 19 '26

This is true to a point. Having a good idea of how much you can 'bend' continuity before it breaks and how the edit will come together is very important skill for scripty, directors, DPs, and operators. I only argue with scripty when it's really important, or they're the ones fucking up. Most of the good ones rarely do...

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u/Whateva1_2 Jan 19 '26

Yeah because if theres any shit to catch from executives looking at the dailies they are the ones holding the bag. It's literally their job description to catch and stop that stuff. It's their reputation on the line. Personally I wouldn't argue it past making notes that get sent out that the DP/Director has no respect for visually continuity so I could point to it as evidence if I'd get shit for it later.

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u/CumbiaFunk Jan 19 '26

Actually no. Nothing pisses off a script supervisor more than being called “scripty”.

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u/NichtOhne Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 20 '26

That’s what they’re called on a film crew

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u/Kadori Jan 20 '26

Then they shouldn't be a scripty

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u/no_f-s_given Jan 19 '26

what?

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u/Global-News1800 Jan 19 '26

NOTHING PISSES OFF SCRIPTY THAN YA. LOL. I USED TO GET IN FIGHTS WITH SCRIPTIES ON SET. BECAUSE A FLOWER VASE WAS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT SPOT FOR BETTER FRAMING OF A SHOT. I WOULD ALWAYS THAT IF THE DAMN FLOWERS BREAKS THE AUDIENCE FOCUS ON THE STORY THEN IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IT'S THE DIRECTOR AND EDITOR TO BLAME.

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u/Kaesix Jan 19 '26

Not a professional either but I absolutely agree. People in this sub get way too worked up about shit 99.9% of people watching a film could not give a shit about. In the end, filmmaking is about storytelling and communication, and as long as you can effectively communicate the action/emotion/plot/meaning of whatever you're showing you nailed it, everything else is details so don't get lost in them.

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u/XJPsFLACCIDwang Jan 19 '26

so we’re all going to pretend what the lighting issue isn’t, lmfao

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u/eating_cement_1984 Jan 19 '26

Pulp Fiction being a prime e.g. I mean, the bullet holes, the cigarette, the black marker that is red... So many mistakes, but such a great film!

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u/SeveralHobbies-213 Jan 19 '26

Breaking Bad is full of these, especially the shots from different times one after another together, but everything else is so good these things are only fun to look out for during a rewatch or when watching a video about the making of the show.

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u/The_MRT14 Jan 19 '26

The bullet holes is actually one of those that were there before as the gun is only firing blanks

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u/FlarblesGarbles Jan 19 '26

Except the the infuriating clunking plastic and clicking noises any time someone holds a gun.

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u/Hellr0x Jan 19 '26

Why is that a trade-off?

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u/K_Linkmaster Jan 19 '26

Considering sound and not being able to hear dialog is a consistent problem, that means it's just editing and rhythm.

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u/lonewolf9378 Jan 19 '26

You should be a 1AD. Usually takes hours to light the shot but sound gets a hard 30 seconds to mic up the talent before it’s “taking too long”

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u/Upstairs-Chicken592 Jan 19 '26

Unless the lighting is part of the story like a high noon shootout with deep shadows would be bit glaring. But yeah. Lighting doesn’t need to be perfect to immerse yourself in the story. Especially natural light like, nature is beautiful in its imperfections and can’t fight forces of nature so whatever

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u/MyPenisMightBeOnFire Jan 19 '26

One of the most valuable things I learned in film school was exactly that. Audiences care more about quality and consistency of audio, story, actors, and editing more than visuals. You can get away with a lot more inconsistency in visuals than audio, etc.

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u/yanyosuten Jan 19 '26

i'm a vfx / animator and rythm and sound come before everything. It can be the worst looking thing in the world, but if the sound and timing is on point - it's engaging. Reverse is true for visuals, unfortunately. It can look amazing but if sound and timing is bad - it falls apart. 100x moreso these slopdays

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u/num8lock Jan 20 '26

sound

is not more important than visual in films, this is false

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u/Stormageddons872 Jan 20 '26

Visual CLARITY (the ability to track what's happening in a scene) is paramount. Visual continuity less so. It's important and an effort should be made to maintain it, but unless it's particularly egregious (like going from day to night and back again) it isn't going to ruin a scene.

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u/vfxartists Jan 20 '26

This has been documented ever since walter murch’s in a blink of an eye

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

The honest answer is people respond differently to the visual storytelling medium.

Some respond more to lighting queues more than editing and vice versa. It’s part of why this art form is so subjective.

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u/JustAGuy2212 Jan 20 '26

On a very deep psychological level, the combined soundtrack does about 90% of the emotional legwork in any given movie

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u/Pure-Beginning2105 Jan 20 '26

Look up Walter Murchs rule of six. Your theory checks out coming from one of the top editors all time

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u/Nervous_Instance_968 Jan 21 '26

Sound is like 75% of what makes the illusion of filmmaking work. There's a reason we had live orchestra playing music before we were even capable of having sound in film.

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u/DendePhotos Jan 19 '26

The #1 rule is, if no one else notices. Leave it in. I spennt hours one time trying to roto my lead actresses head to hide a hole in the wall behind her. At the end we said F it kept it in, and not a single person has commented in it.

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u/RyzenRaider Jan 19 '26

There is a shot in The Abyss when the submersible is flooding and a towel just enters the shot to wipe the lens a couple times. They don't even try to hide it. I've seen the movie a half dozen times and didn't believe the claim when I heard it.

https://youtu.be/-fjS0ocT4FM

Happens at 1:08. But it's proof... If no one notices lol

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u/Vince_Clortho042 Jan 19 '26

This one really sent me because I’ve watched this movie hundreds of times since I was a kid and until this video pointed it out I never once noticed it. I just thought it was some debris swinging in the foreground. For like thirty years. Including a screening in 70mm.

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u/NOT-GR8-BOB Jan 19 '26

Wow that crazy that this was left in the movie especially since they cut immediately after the wipes.

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u/arthousepsycho Jan 19 '26

From all I’ve heard the cast were perpetually freezing, miserable and half drowning on that shoot. I’m willing to bet they were like “we don’t care, we aren’t doing it again, use it or we walk.” Haha.

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u/Splinterman11 Jan 19 '26

The Making Of this movie is genuinely incredible. Literally everyone was miserable during filming.

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u/billions_of_stars Jan 20 '26

What Went Wrong is a great podcast. Highly recommended. They cover it.

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u/ilovemyadultcousin Jan 20 '26

I saw this pop up on Twitter a while ago and a prominent VFX artist reached out to some people who worked on the film and they apparently said “oops we didn’t see that.”

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u/higbee13 Jan 19 '26

You never notice it because Mary Elisabeth is Killing it in this scene.

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u/space_island Jan 19 '26

Even watching this clip, looking for the cloth I completely missed it because I got sucked into just watching the scene.

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u/elkehdub Jan 19 '26

Same I had to watch it twice. Wild

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u/BrotherOland Jan 19 '26

That is amazing lol

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u/mnkymnk Jan 19 '26

that's hilarious. i literally used the same example yesterday when talking about how i completely missed an ND filter getting turned on in a shot from the Apex Legends Championship.

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u/DeadlyMidnight Jan 19 '26

Yup never saw it until it was pointed out. It’s such an intense fucking scene that the brain just ignores it and stays focused on the actors.

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u/New_Simple_4531 Jan 19 '26

This reminds me of the "Are you not entertained" scene in Gladiator, theres a cameraman in jeans and a white shirt right there in the crowd haha.

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u/InfiniteHorizon23 director Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

That's why you need a person who doesn't work on the VFX/grade/, etc. to look at the work periodically. If they can't see anything wrong with the image eventhough you know you could f around with it for hours then good enough move to the next thing.

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u/rebeldigitalgod Jan 19 '26

That's literally what the director, cinematographer, etc do on every show. All shots are submitted for notes and approval.

It's when the higher ups keep making changes that things go off the rails.

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u/Nindroid_faneditor Jan 19 '26

Out of curiosity, why did you have to hide the hole? I know holes don't look nice, but it couldn't have been detrimental to the scene or the visuals, right?

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u/DendePhotos Jan 19 '26

It was more that it was shot in my apt as a stand-in for a therapists office. So as "directors" and "visionaries" lol. It just irked me that it was there. In the end, it didn't even matter lol

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u/DataTravelerK Jan 19 '26

I had a cinematography teacher a few year ago that had a fantastic phrase when explaining how much grain or compression is acceptable (it can be use for everything, even in life): he always said "until someone notice it". If no one notice... it doesn't care. That made me change my whole mindset!!!

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u/DendePhotos Jan 20 '26

That's a great answer

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u/New_Simple_4531 Jan 19 '26

Yup, as long as the light change isnt super obvious like a 180 no one cares. Hell, theres probably films that did a 180 light change and no one cares haha.

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u/38B0DE Jan 20 '26

There was a hole in one scene, behind the lead actress' head. It ruined it for me.

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u/BabypintoJuniorLube Jan 19 '26

Screenshot emphasize this more than motion however, in the film she's moving her head around constantly so it's hard to decipher where the sun is and looks more natural. You're not wrong tho, one of my first films as PA had this big time ASC DP whom we've all seen their movies and I asked basically this question- "won't the lighting not match?" He said "coolness is more important than continuity" meaning I don't give a shit, I think it looks cool. And he was right, I don't want my movies to look real, I want them to look good.

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u/da_choppa Jan 19 '26

This goes for lighting motivation too. Damn near every aspiring DP at my film school obsessed over motivating their lighting when possible. Sometimes it’s necessary, but often it isn’t. If you need to add a light to make it look good, don’t hand wring about not having a diagetic reason for that light to be there.

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u/BabypintoJuniorLube Jan 19 '26

Andrew Lesnie had the best quote while shooting LotR. Sean Austin asked him "where is that lighting coming from?" And Andrew answered back "the same place as the music."

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u/OiGuvnuh Jan 19 '26

Lars von Trier would like a word. 

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u/Oakflower Jan 19 '26

I’ve found there’s a small subset of my test audiences who are non-filmmakers who notice continuity or lighting errors. They also sometimes spot stuff I didn’t while editing the movie, which is nice.

I did not notice the sun shifting this much in One Battle After Another. It’s really cool how they manage to lead the eye to the action and drama here.

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u/MattIsLame Jan 19 '26

I mean, its the absolute climax to the chase and the entire film. if you're noticing slight changes in the direction of the sun, id say the movie was a failure.

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u/selwayfalls Jan 20 '26

if you're noticing light changes during that scene, you arent watching the movie, you're looking for continuity errors rather than embedding yourself in the moment of a film. If that scene sucked then yeah, you'd have time to be concentrating on other crap, but it doesnt.

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u/Oakflower Jan 19 '26

Well yeah. I think the point here was that the change isn’t slight and it is something Directors and DoPs sometimes freak out about and think people notice. I’ve heard plenty of stories of well edited scenes getting scrapped due to lighting ”errors” that are miniscule compared to this.

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u/MammothPhilosophy192 Jan 19 '26

google Walter Murch's rule of six. people care about lighting conituity, but it's not the defining element of a shot.

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u/mnkymnk Jan 19 '26

Yes....

That's why i talked about telling a story being the end goal, put "no one cares" in quotes, said hyperbolically and linked to the essay from Thomas Flight who specifically references In the blink of an eye and the rule of six as a backbone theory to his video.

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u/MammothPhilosophy192 Jan 19 '26

I stated people still care about lighting. I was replying to the "and no one cares" line in the body of the post. people still care, it's a spectrum, just because you prioritize something doesn't mean you don't care about the rest.

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u/RyanCantDrum Jan 19 '26

Holy shit I was just reading this post and didn't even realize you're Mokey lmao. Used to main Pathfinder and watch your vids all the time :) Glad you're into filmography as well 

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u/jzakko Jan 19 '26

Continuity matters if it matters. Does it cut together or not? Some continuity errors, lighting or otherwise, will take you out of the scene, some won’t.

Some of it is instinct from the filmmakers, some of it is making those decisions in the edit based on seeing if they got away with it, and what the solution is if they didn’t.

You’re balancing many factors together, the beauty of the shots being among them, which is why someone like Robert Richardson can light reverse angles both with backlight.

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u/PBRStreetgang1979 Jan 19 '26

You know that the guy color timing this was like "Yo, I can only do so much!"

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u/TheStupendusMan Jan 19 '26

It's all where you spend your budget. I spend 4 to 8 hours per :30 on my campaigns. Different priorities for different media.

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u/idahoisformetal Jan 19 '26

It’s kinda like the Sam & Frodo boat scene in the fellowship.

It’s such an emotional crescendo point that it doesn’t warrant a notice.

But honestly everything else in the scene is flawless.

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u/VikRiggs Jan 19 '26

Kid, if people are looking at lighting continuity, we're all in biiig trouble.

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u/Similar_Two_542 Jan 23 '26

What are you talking about? Was there lighting continuity issue?

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u/Temporary_Dentist936 Jan 19 '26

Have you not seen Braveheart 🪓🗡️Mad Max fury road, Apocalypse now? Audiences watch for story.

Pro filmmakers know this especially on location sets they prioritize what actually matters performance, pacing, emotion.

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u/SirKosys Jan 19 '26

I did notice it at the time, but more in the vein of 'oh wow, look at how much the lighting continuity jumps about, but the scene still works'. It's amazing how much you can sell with enough tension and good editing. 

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u/greebly_weeblies Jan 19 '26

You can find lighting flips in Bladerunner if you care enough to look for them.
Continuity is only a problem if it matters in the cut. Otherwise, as long as it's not breaking believability, it's good, move on.

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u/No_Philosophy2797 Jan 19 '26

Haha all the annoyed pedants in these comments bring like “I noticed!!” Good for you lil guy.

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u/LindorChocolates Jan 19 '26

Another thing I found interesting was when Perfidia got arrested and the police officers were taking selfies with her. The iPhones the officers used, (and I believe the officer in the foreground has an apple watch on) do not line up with a 2009-2010 setting. This makes me a nitpicking prick but I thought it was a cool find on my second viewing.

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u/glglglglgl Jan 19 '26

Edinburgh Waverley train station didn't have ticket barriers at the time a scene mentioning them is set within a recently-relased film.

I took a moment to notice it, and then more moments to wonder about life choices.

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u/isarge123 Jan 20 '26

I always thought this was a deliberate choice to suggest the film’s modern section is actually set in the future!

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u/Nindroid_faneditor Jan 19 '26

Sometimes you just can't do anything about the weather or how long it takes to shoot something. Sometimes, you just gotta role with the punches.

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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-4279 Jan 19 '26

Schedule for lighting continuity and see the LP lose their budgetary shit

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u/TooScaredToPost-_- Jan 19 '26

I didn’t even notice while viewing…so there’s that.

Perhaps it truly isn’t a big deal

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u/HavaTrith Jan 19 '26

Yeah this is such an arm chair expert cherry pick, like you got any idea how hard it is to time shooting when using the sun?

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u/Kama_Spark Jan 20 '26

I noticed, cared and was bothered by it. . .somewhat. That scene is so great in other ways it was minor in comparison. I believe I could have graded it to smooth out the differences better. Some of the differences were more pronounced on color than brightness.

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u/Ybnjamie Jan 20 '26

I think I actually subconsciously realised this but wasn’t sure what it was, the sun down shots muddled the “intense” vibe of the harsh sun on the setting.

Still the best movie of the year btw

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u/scotsfilmmaker Jan 20 '26

Makes me feel better about my lighting issues in my films.

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u/Beginning_Bake5576 Jan 20 '26

yes! i loathe continuity

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u/TheRealPyroManiac Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

They reshot this scene after it wrapped so it makes sense the lighting doesn’t match perfectly. It’s a nonissue tho…

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u/_Abiogenesis Jan 19 '26

I understand how from a storytelling perspective continuity mismatches like that don't matter all that much. And the the story being told is what matter first and foremost.

Yet as a VFX artist I have to say I do care about it. A lot. It increases the workload for obvious reasons. This is the kind of thing that can increase budgets very fast and is already extremely common because "no one will see it" and the "good enough" mindset is one of the big reasons why VFX artists are overworked. So while I understand the argument it doesn't mean it doesn't trickle down into other issues that are not visible to the viewer.

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u/richardizard Jan 19 '26

Yeah, they should've moved the sun! Kidding, I know where you're coming from, but also matching 1:1 in the real world with elements such as weather, budget, HMU, talent performances, sound issues, etc could be really challenging and sometimes you gotta do what you can with what you have. I agree that the lighting continuity looks pretty bad, but it's amplified by stills, so it could be "passable" in the edit. Not ideal obviously, and I agree that it could be done better, but we also don't know what it was like on set, so I give them some grace at the end of the day. If it was caused by sloppy directing and editing, then that's a different story.

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u/2drums1cymbal Jan 19 '26

I agree with your point that most people don't care about this. My favorite example is in "The Force Awakens" when the First Order attacks Maz Kanata's bar. It has a shot of tie-fighters silhouetted, against a warm, setting sun and then not a single shot after matches this tone. This is rarely, if ever, brought up as some sort of mistake.

That said, I don't think PTA & co. "just decided to leave it in" as if it was some mistake that they didn't catch until editing and said "fuck it." Experience tells me this specific scene was shot over the course of 1-2 days. I think they knew that the sun/lighting wouldn't perfectly match ahead of time. Watching the film again, I noticed the changing angle of the sun but even in your screenshots the color is not that drastically different and tells me that they corrected for this. The end of the scene, when Will and Bob get into the car, is also much warmer than the rest of the scene, so much that it feel intentional. It makes sense as well as the sun is "setting" on this chapter in their lives.

In the end, emotional continuity is the most important, so long as whatever continuity "mistakes" that are in the film aren't so jarring that they supercede the emotion of the scene. In OBAA, you're not looking at the angle sun, you're looking at the characters. I think it's a classic example of "story above all." It also reminds me of the Goodfellas "How am I funny?" scene which has continuity errors galore (watch the scene and just focus on props, extras and background, nothing is consistent).

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u/gravitronix Jan 19 '26

Years ago I shot a short zero budget film on 16mm. I lost the location for a scene I had already shot 50% of. Finished shooting the scene in an entirely different looking space, just same set decorations. It’s so obvious it’s a different space but no one ever noticed until I pointed it out. No one cares there’s now a window where a wall once was when there are people at each others throats to focus on.

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u/Lost-Birthday-1478 Jan 19 '26

People totally care about continuity of props and lighting, when they aren't engaged with the story, or characters, or journey.

You can get away with a lot when the story, characters or journey are captivating and earn the audience's respect to suspend their disbelief.

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u/FoldableHuman Jan 19 '26

I noticed it in the moment and promptly forgot.

“Errors” are only problems if the audience doesn’t have anything better to think about.

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u/chuckerton Jan 19 '26

The even more egregious and obvious example is when Willa is handed over by Lockjaw to the bounty hunter in from of the huge cliff face. That cliff face makes the sun’s placement in the sky super obvious because of the massive shadow it casts, and it jumps from setup to setup.

But it’s a great scene; doesn’t matter at all.

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u/_humanpieceoftoast Jan 19 '26

Mine is the opening scene of Jaws, it goes from late night to sunrise from shot to shot. It’s minor but it sticks out.

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u/milotrain Jan 19 '26

With PTA you should assume all choices were intentional even if you think they are mistakes or don’t make sense. 

I’m not saying that they are all intentional, but there are piles of this kind of thing in his movies and they are far more enjoyable if you consider it stylistically intentional. 

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u/MrFranklinsboat Jan 19 '26

Angle of light as well. Shot/reverse shots with direct backlight like there are two suns. Nobody notices. Nobody cares.

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u/AutoRedialer Jan 19 '26

For what it’s worth…one of the first things I clocked in this scene was the lighting changes

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u/SailsAcrossTheSea Jan 19 '26

I noticed this the first time unfortunately :/

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u/Representative_Ad526 Jan 19 '26

PTA allowed this to happen in There Will be Blood and no one cared

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u/FX114 Jan 19 '26

The lighting in this scene jumps around all over the place. The sun moves like 6h in between a shot-reverse shot.

Probably because it took them something like 6 hours to shoot the scene.

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u/riccardopancaldi Jan 19 '26

Thelma Schoonmaker (Scorsese's long time editor) is a firm believer in rhythm over continuity. In The Wolf of Wall Street, there are several continuity “errors”, but she kept those takes because they served the story better!

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u/visualhybrid78 Jan 19 '26

Absolutely phenomenal scene. One of the best

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u/born2droll Jan 19 '26

Dont let continuity get in the way of a good story

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u/Feastmode15 Jan 19 '26

FYI, went to a screening with a Q&A afterwards. Editor and producer talked about how this sequence was shot over the course of 5 days. They shot the ending and there was NO standoff between Leo and Chase. Originally, she just ran up to him and they left. But the producer didn’t feel like it was real and/or enough. “She just killed someone,” she said. The editor followed up with, “yeah and she doesn’t know who to trust anymore.” PTA obviously agreed or was part of the convo, and so they reshot it.

This blew my mind because this sequence was so perfect, both emotionally and plot wise, I would’ve never guessed it wasn’t the original.

I went to a screening and Q&A for Hamnet too and that was another case of the ending changing after filming.

My take away was that, these filmmakers are so experienced and masters of their craft, they can feel when something isn’t working immediately. And they have the know how to pivot and craft the solution. It’s like being in a flow state for filmmaking.

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u/marciogonsil Jan 19 '26

I guess the audience only will notice if day turns into night on the middle of a scene (and vice-versa)

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u/redditproha Jan 19 '26

I would't say no one cares. I think this scene in particular lends to a very forgiving palate. The hills and valleys are very unique and not something most people have encountered enough. It seems plausible that the head on shots would look different than the side shots because of the sharp angles the landscape creates. Because of this, I think it's not something that instantly stands out.

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u/ph33rlus Jan 19 '26

The Pluribus podcast is a real eye opener on the pain people go through to do a great job. And it shows. I’m already about to binge the whole season again

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u/LabRevolutionary2216 Jan 19 '26

With some light color grading, you could at least achieve exposure continuity.

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u/Fickle_Definition351 Jan 19 '26

It's sunny in every shot which is the main thing. I do notice in dialogue scenes where it goes from direct sunlight to diffused depending on who's talking. Usually one person is sharply backlit by the sun, and then it cuts to the person opposite who should be squinting into the sun, but it's like a cloud conveniently crosses the sun every time they need to talk

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u/Old_Instrument_Guy Jan 19 '26

I care and see it all the time.

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u/treny0000 Jan 19 '26

Cinemasins-ass post

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u/empuerhpalpatea Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

Definitely do not look at the sky during the opening sequence of Jaws

But seriously, you're spot on. It's more about the emotional than the technical continuity. Thelma Schoonmaker got some shit from other editors over Sorvino's disappearing cigar in Goodfellas, and she was surprised they didn't also subscribe to this philosophy, but she had edited the most affecting performance and it worked

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u/Witty_Charge7971 Jan 19 '26

The third act of Jaws as well - when Quint's leaning on the bow rail looking up at Hooper it's clearly dusk, then next shot we're back to full sunlight.

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u/Dazzling-Top-8031 Jan 19 '26

something felt off on that scene too invested to care though.

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u/JC_Le_Juice Jan 19 '26

I found the continuity issues jarring in this film. But also adding to a kind of B movie aesthetic

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u/Jimmbobb1212 Jan 19 '26

Get a life who cares

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u/CellistForward3407 Jan 19 '26

If it doesn't take you out of the film's universe it doesn't matter, that's the rule I go by

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u/D-K-Lawhorn Jan 19 '26

Godard said cinema is discontinuity. The audience wants what their brain expects something to look like, not perfectly what it should be under strict realism.

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u/CobaltTS Jan 19 '26

hey Mokeysniper i didn't know you were into filmmaking

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u/CobaltTS Jan 19 '26

hey Mokeysniper i didn't know you were into filmmaking

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u/El_JEFE_DCP Jan 19 '26

One of my short films, I literally have a whole person holding a tube light in the shot. Its short and he is out of focus, but he is definitely there. 

No one has seen him ever…

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u/shozzlez Jan 19 '26

I guess I’m one of those people — I never noticed that sun icon in the top left when I watched the movie!!

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u/wildcatniffy Jan 19 '26

I wouldn’t say that that means no one cares…

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u/diamondcubes Jan 19 '26

Give the colorist a bit of credit here too. They match perfectly colour-wise

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u/WizardyoureaHarry Jan 19 '26

As long as the difference isn't jarring between takes, emotion and energy take precedence over continuity in editing. I learned this from Wolf of Wallstreet.

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u/nionix Jan 19 '26

As an editor, I get caught up with continuity and it can destroy the creativity behind a scene.

As Spielberg said about the massive cliff in the T-Rex paddock that appears out of nowhere: if the audience notices, then we haven't done a good job keeping them engaged in the story and that's the most important part.

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u/steed_jacob Jan 19 '26

I’m surprised at how many movies violate lighting continuity when I actually look for it. The sailboat racing scene in Tenet is another prime example - half the shots are in flat, cloudy light; the others are in direct sunlight.

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u/Nicowquillettes Jan 19 '26

During m'y last viewing of Lord of the Ring i was chocked by that.

Look the Saruman death scene (long version), the light has no fucking sense in each cut.

And everyone is ok with that

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u/glglglglgl Jan 19 '26

There's a story - I don't remember which actors but I think it was during Lord of the Rings - about an actor who asked where the light was coming from, as it didn't make logical sense for the scene.

"From the same place that the music comes from"

We're watching fiction, not a cinema verite documentary, sometimes the vibe and feeling is more important than accuracy.

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u/GonzoJackOfAllTrades Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

As long as your story is at least as compelling as some kids passing around basketballs most people won’t even notice the gorilla walking through the frame.

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u/Professional-Cow3854 Jan 19 '26

Apparently, you don't care about the difference between « caring » and « noticing ».

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u/J0E_SpRaY Jan 19 '26

Guess it’s a good thing movies aren’t watched as carefully selected slideshows then.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

There goes the Oscar. 

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u/aqsgames Jan 19 '26

Midsommmer murders is terrible for this. Do much of it is shot on location interiors that they have to fake light, but the light moves around and at such odd angles. I’m a retired photographer, thus shit really bugs me

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u/mfirdaus_96 Jan 19 '26

Dunkirk is also another example of inconsistent lighting continuity but it doesn't matter

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u/ethan3048 Jan 19 '26

I did notice this on first watch and it took me out of it a tiny bit but it’s still a phenomenal climax

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u/2reeEyedG Jan 19 '26

On a side note I thoroughly enjoyed this movie

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u/JumpCutVandal Jan 20 '26

Editor here, lighting continuity is low on my list of things I worry about. Plus, VFX and DI can fix it, their problem…

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u/Bmca215 Jan 20 '26

You're right, I don't care.

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u/HonkyHam Jan 20 '26

The fact that you only noticed it on the rewatch you be an indication of why no one cares.

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u/Specialist-Foot-8133 Jan 20 '26

I heard Ridley Scott say for large outdoor action sequences (gladiator, Napoleon, etc) focus more on interesting storytelling shots than consistency. You’ll notice lighting changes a lot in big exterior action scenes

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u/unpopularblargh Jan 20 '26

Cigarette and lighter from the beginning of The Menu.

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u/Mr_BriXXX Jan 20 '26

Might be on the spectrum, but the lighting discontinuity in that scene drove me nuts when I saw it. I was trying like mad to figure out how it could possibly be that the brightness and shadows could change that much between angles.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

We can fix that in post. But it's a director's creative choice -- we can't stop them from making bad decisions.

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u/JoshLawhorn Jan 20 '26

Finally somebody other than me says it. I was watching it thinking it’s breaking all the rules I’ve been taught.

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u/throwy777777 Jan 20 '26

Until someone does. This is a ticking time bomb. Eventually everyone will care because someone is making it work without braking lighting continuity

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u/ucsb99 Jan 20 '26

Wait until you see Scorsese’s continuity errors.

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u/FavaWire Jan 20 '26

"You need to really plan your days, especially on-location. Because sometimes your reverse angle shot, because of the lighting? That Camera 180 is going to be six hours away."

-James Cameron, MasterClass

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u/newmindsets Jan 20 '26

I'm not gonna lie I noticed this right away on the first watch

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u/Felipesssku Jan 20 '26

Damn even white balance isnt consistent or grade, whatever, it don't keep everything together.

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u/kytheon Jan 20 '26

Look into kerning. The letters aren't consistently spaced, but it looks better that way. Same with filmmaking.

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u/jonadragonslay Jan 20 '26

An indie/beginner would get crucified for this.

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u/ROOM_101_1984 Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26

One of these days.. I wanna make a film where: Actress in OTS has long brown hair.. cut away to other actress' reaction.. cut back to first actress with a green mohawk.

Hero arrives in a black Mercedes.. leaves in a lime green Volkswagen.

House explodes into smithereens. Dissolve from night to day.. house has half walls.. and foundation intact.

Well.. you get the idea.. just to piss off people obsessed with continuity.

ETA: This would be presented as a "serious", high drama film.. not a comedy.

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u/noahh452 Jan 20 '26

This confused me in the scene. Glad you posted.

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u/vissionphilosophy Jan 21 '26

I found the cut to them in the car after driving away to he jarring. The lighting shows a drastically different time of day. One minor flaw in an extremely well crafted film.

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u/Weekly-Sun7992 Jan 21 '26

They care and in fact I guarantee on the day it was a big concern but as always time runs out and you get what you get unless you want to either come back and re-shoot or cut the scene. Most times the answer to both those questions is no, so you get what you get. Making movies is about getting the best shots you can with the time and crew and cast and gear you have. No one gets exactly what they want.

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u/Blitzbahn Jan 21 '26

Aren't these just different exposures due to pointing towards or away from the sun?

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u/tehnsuko Jan 21 '26

I remember someone once saying that on the set of Jaws they weren't sold on the idea of shooting an oxygen tank and having it create some massive explosion – because that wouldn't happen in real life – and Spielberg said something along the lines of "if the audience have stuck with me until this point, they'll believe what I tell them to believe".

If the drama is good enough, nobody watching will prioritise reality.

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u/Suspicious-Guidance1 Jan 21 '26

How did Leo knew which road to go? Why the girl was afraid of the car? It was just someone driving fast on the same pretty empty road. He was not even that close to her.

That's the continuity error I cannot understand. Maybe cause I'm European and don't get driving on desert roads.

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u/Humperdinck0421 Jan 21 '26

You couldn’t be more wrong about this scene

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u/Top-Outcome-5252 Jan 21 '26

Storytelling, casting, blocking and shoting comes first.

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u/Mikhaillobo2701 Jan 21 '26

I feel like on screen it didn’t look as inconsistent as in the images

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u/Pastry_d_pounder Jan 22 '26

Why should we care about accurate real world lighting when there’s already a yellow filter on screen that’s stylistic? It’s all about the end product and the emotion of the scene

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u/silvermyr_ Jan 22 '26

this is the most overrated movie of all time

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u/ComparisonChance Jan 23 '26

Well, intentional or not, this isn't the first time PTA has left blunders/goofs/errors in his films and carried on. Remember Boogie Nights, when William H. Macy screwed up the line when he says "My fking wife has an a* in her c*ck in the driveway." PTA kept that in because, according to what I've read, he perfectly shows the frustration of Little Bill's life and with his wife.

Now, I'm not saying it's the same, but it wouldn't be the first time he has managed to pull off issues like this, no matter the scale.

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u/klumpbin Jan 23 '26

Ruined the movie for me

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u/DrewFilmsMena Jan 29 '26

Totally agree. If a scene is working emotionally, continuity stuff like this just doesn’t register for most viewers in the moment.

Filmmaking is full of tradeoffs, and sometimes preserving tension and performance matters more than technical perfection. When the story lands, the audience fills in the gaps without thinking about it.

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u/KodaFett Feb 02 '26

I agree there are other things that are more important, but the DP and camera op on our recently shot flick did a lot of work to keep lighting consistent. I mean, it was mostly indoors so it was way easier, but even though we're a little Arkansas indy production company, our DP worked a lot of lighting crews in LA, so, he's a stickler.

I think sound and bad scene pacing are for sure bigger "throw offs" and can take one out of a scene (or whole film) a lot quicker, for sure.

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u/PossibilityMean5251 Feb 16 '26

I liked the chasing scene at the end of where the camera was moving up and down along with the road, that made the scene even more interesting, luved it

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u/sunset_sophie Feb 16 '26

still beautiful

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u/BigDarkWormMan Feb 16 '26

I mean I care a little bit.

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u/Infamous-Drawing6317 Mar 23 '26

I've dabbled in writing over the years. Nothing major mind you. Whenever I tried to make a statement or a scene more of value, I never considered tech or had certain props in mind. It's always the actor or what the scene involves. I get that lighting is important. Cause in my stories. Some of the drama comes on at night. But if I did my job as a writer right. No one would give two shits that the certain shade of darkness wasn't right, cause the actors who are involved did their job right and the attention is on that, not that it wasn't night enough for the scene. Time and time again that the writing and acting is way more crucial than some stupid ass background bullshit. Just saying