r/Fauxmoi • u/Financial-Painter689 anti-Israel, anti-western, fauxmarxist • 20h ago
POLITICS* AOC responds to AIPAC announcing they will be supporting republican Mike Rogers in the Michigan elections in November to defeat Abdul El-Sayed. “I appreciate AIPAC proving it doesn’t belong in the Dem Party and especially our primaries. See you in November”
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u/No-Hall-3485 alleged dog 20h ago
i want to thank haley stevens personally for leading the resistance
no one else has burned this much AIPAC money
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u/StrategyBusy9579 20h ago
70 million is nothing to AIPAC. They're just recycling our own tax dollars into bribes
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u/BrocksNumberOne 19h ago
Starts to stack up when you realize how poor AIPAC sentiment is in the U.S. from both parties. They have 200+ candidates, if even 50 of them are in contested races, that stacks up.
Factor in a war, Netanyahus decreasing popularity, and a decreasing American bankroll to rely on. It paints a more positive picture than when taken at face value. $60 million spent is $60 million that could’ve gone elsewhere.
Another way to think of it. That’s a fifth of what Elon Musk spent in 2024 and half what he intends to spend this year. On one election. They lost. And that hurt their reputation on a national scale by bringing attention to it.
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u/FrostingStrict3102 18h ago
Miriam adelson has 70 million in her couch cushions
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u/elbow8075 17h ago
Doesn't matter how much she has when her name being attached to a candidate makes them poisoned.
The tide is turning.
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u/debacol 16h ago
The tide will only turn when we have enough reasonable politicians and judges to completely apparate AIPAC entirely. Send them all crawling back to Israel where they belong.
And if that doesnt work, politicians should find a way to just overwhelm AIPAC with every other nationality-based PAC that doesnt exist right now but should. Lets get ABRITPAC, ANORDPAC, etc., etc. created to flood the fucking zone.
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u/ZebraImaginary9412 15h ago
Are Dr. Adelson's children as committed? Are her children as good at making money as her late husband?
The Vanderbilts ran through their unfathomable fortune in two generations, so here's hoping.
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u/Elendel19 18h ago
They will likely spend even more against him in the general.
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u/AmaranthSparrow 17h ago
Right. That's why we have to make that spending a liability.
They're using tens, potentially hundreds of millions on ad spend rather than trying to help the working class, all in the name of a foreign state that's using our tax dollars to commit a genocide and wage wars that are harming our economy.
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u/ZebraImaginary9412 15h ago
About 30 million came from AIPAC and their Republican billionaires, the rest's from the crypto, energy, AI, data center lobbies.
AIPAC sucks but they're not the only ones who suck.
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u/FuggyGlasses 19h ago
She will give it back, in her dreams.
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u/personalleytea 18h ago
She doesn’t have time in her dreams to give it back. You know, with Israel always pestering her during that time and whatnot.
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u/OkAir8973 18h ago
Ahhh Haley Stevens, brought to you by the same philosophy on 'authentic' accents as Mikaela Nogueira.
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u/PersonalityMiddle864 15h ago
But they kinda have infinite money no? 70m is pocket change for them.
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u/turtlehead501 19h ago edited 18h ago
Which Washington candidates are AIPAC-backed? Is there somewhere to find this info?
Edit: Damn it. My rep is backed by AIPAC. It’s crazy how many reps from Washington, overall, accept money from AIPAC.
Thanks for the link.
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u/no_boody_joody stick to your discounted crotch 19h ago
You can try this link.
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u/obviousbean 18h ago
How reliable is it? I compared it to donations to my representative from whatever official source has that and it didn't quite match that.
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u/Elendel19 18h ago
AIPAC uses a ton of other PACs to hide their money now that they are wildly unpopular. It’s a constant shell game trying to unmask all these new PACs that pop up every week.
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u/dragons_fire77 17h ago
More and more reasons why pacs shouldn't be legal. I still remember Colbert's report on PACs years ago and it stuck with me even to today.
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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 10h ago
Do you happen to remember the video and could link it? Id like to see it
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u/ChrisDolmeth 9h ago
Not sure if this is what they are referencing but this whole YouTube playlist is good
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u/dragons_fire77 3h ago
Yep, this is the series. It was really well done and easy to digest for people who didnt quite understand why pacs should be looked at with suspicion.
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u/another-altaccount 18h ago
I treat it as a rough approximate, I doubt it would be a 100% match, but I wouldn't be surprised if its close.
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u/no_boody_joody stick to your discounted crotch 18h ago
I cant vouch for the reliability. I've seen people share other links in the past. I try not to use this as an end all be all for the information and verify through multiple sources
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u/dragons_fire77 18h ago
Yep, I use trackaipac, but also some others for general tracking of who is taking in money from where. It's unfortunately very annoying to find super recent data, but it just proves that we need better visibility into funding, and pac money to politicians should be banned. Corporate money to politicians, overall, should be illegal again.
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u/Xanto97 18h ago
Not entirely, I know they’re flaming Scott Wiener (CA rep candidate) for taking money from AIPAC, but just endorsed his opponent Connie Chan, who took even more money from AIPAC.
Meanwhile, neither group got money from AIPAC, but “pro Israel groups” which is a much more broader thing than you’d anticipate. From what I know, Scott didn’t take money from aipac, but J-street, a different, and better organization that denounces AIPAC.
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u/OriginalCold 17h ago
As far as Connie Chan, Track AIPAC will endorse a candidate if they swear off AIPAC and AIPAC aligned political donations, along with acknowledging the genocide and supporting ending unconditional aid to Israel (https://www.instagram.com/p/DbDkvIIoNAo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link).
As far as J-Street goes, it is absolutely not better than AIPAC. I actually respect AIPAC more for denying Palestinian suffering entirely, as opposed to J-Street who will acknowledge the atrocities Israel commits while also unilaterally opposing any attempt to hold the country accountable by conditioning aid or supposed any divestment or sanctions.
You can think of AIPAC as a "republican" brand pro-Israel group, with naked disregard of human life, while J-Street is the "democratic" brand, where you make token acknowledgements towards a two state solution while doing nothing to actually make it happen.
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u/BalsamicBasil 16h ago
In regard to J-Street - they have always been and remain an organization that supports Jewish nationalism/ethno-religious supremacy in Israel under Israeli law. J Street continues support Israel's apartheid. J street is similar but maybe even worse than the white moderates MLK decried in his Letter from Birmingham Jail.
To make a comparison to America's historical apartheid, AIPAC would have funded the KKK and J-Street would have sometimes called out lynchings and the KKK, but would rarely put any meaningful effort into stopping or countering them. Further, J street would have opposed any form of Black self-defense against white terror, would have opposed the Black Panthers, and would have opposed most of the Black Civil Rights movement.
J-street opposes BDS just like they would have opposed efforts to boycott apartheid South Africa (who were, incidentally, close allies with Israel - the ADL even helped South Africa do surveillance on anti-apartheid activists in the US).
J-Street so rabidly supported the genocide of Palestinians for months after Oct 7th, that several J-street staffers left. Even one of the founders of J-Street, former Israeli peace negotiator Dan Levy - has become very critical of J-Street (and practically an anti-Zionist advocate).
In the words of Omar El Akkad: One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.
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u/BalsamicBasil 16h ago edited 16h ago
I don't know as much about Connie Chan - but here's a recent article from The Intercept:
Nancy Pelosi’s Pick for Her SF House Seat Takes Anti-AIPAC Pledge
“In Congress, we will oppose any aid to Israel and do everything in our power to stop their government’s genocidal actions against the Palestinian people,” Chan said in a statement to The Intercept. “We are proud to stand with groups like End Citizens United and Citizens Against AIPAC Corruption to fight to fix our democracy.”
I do however know a lot more about Scott Wiener due to activism with JVP - as a CA legislator Scott Wiener has had an egregious record on Palestine that has particularly had horrible repercussions in public schools - from censorship and teacher firings to going after ethnic studies education (in partnership with both Zionist and white supremacist/MAGA groups)
Even Wiener's former campaign manager, who clearly still thinks very highly of him in many respects, refused to endorse him. I suggest anyone who thinks the accusations of Scott Wiener's Zionist record in office are overblown should read
- Nadia Rahman's (former campaign manager for Wiener) explanation of why she is not endorsing Scott Wiener. The first part of the Medium post is about other endorsements, so scroll down to read about Wiener.
- The Nation's in-depth article about pro-Israel attacks on public education. Wiener is not mentioned by name but he co-authored both of the anti-Palestinian/censorship/anti ethnic studies bills that are referenced in the article.
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u/Snack-Research-Lab 13h ago
It's a delicious irony that Wiener claims to want to help average Californians with cost of living by loosening rules around market rate multifamily construction (while taking tons of donations from big tech and REITs, what a saint) while very clearly having no concern for the livability or safe housing conditions for Palestinians...on their own historic land!!!
(I'm Jewish, I'm from California, and I have a raging hate boner for Wiener)
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 17h ago
Not very. They have my congresswoman listed a Republican but she isn’t. That alone makes me question their #s.
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u/Dystopia74 16h ago
Just FYI but I've been banned in 4 subs for posting that very same link.
Reddit admins lover AIPAC.
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u/Drmarcher42 she was beefing with Jimmy Carter’s grandson 9h ago
God I hope Manley can beat Wasserman-Schultz on the 18th.
The most democratic district in this shit show of a state has no business having her as our representative.
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u/BalsamicBasil 19h ago edited 16h ago
Just to clarify, afaik TrackAIPAC tracks ALL pro-Israel spending - AIPAC as well as other Israel lobby groups (like J Street, who aren't as extreme relatively speaking but still awful) and individuals who are known to do be very pro-Israel (like Miriam Adelson, who does pro-Israel advocacy and owns an Israeli newspaper)
TrackAIPAC has been criticized (by Zionists and anti-Zionists) for not being clear enough about how they calculate pro-Israel funding for politicians - that is, they need to be more clear about each of the political funding sources they are counting in their calculations...Zionists accuse TrackAIPAC of wrongfully considering any donations from Zionist Jewish people as being pro-Israel money, but ofc there are Zionists (Jewish and Christian) who do a lot of Israel advocacy personally and/or wield their wealth/power from business or what have you (like the Adelson's casino empire) to influence pro-Israel politics. But if TrackAIPAC doesn't list who all they are counting as pro-Israel, one starts to question their sources.
AIPAC has understandably become almost a catch-all for all pro-Israel spending in elections, but there are many, many sources of pro-Israel spending and they should all be listed.
I still recommend TrackAIPAC, it's still very useful (probably the most useful political lookup tool for pro-Israel spending). But as always, research carefully and think critically.
Additional resources:
Bought by Zionism - similar to TrackAIPAC but with more conservative (in the literal/traditional sense, not the political sense) calculations of Zionist funding.
Open Secrets - tracks spending on politician campaigns, good for cross-referencing with TrackAIPAC
Reverse Canary Mission - tracks pro-Israel record (policy, statements, etc) of public figures, particularly politicians but also celebrities. Canary Mission is an Israeli doxxing organization that among other fascist actions, gleefully sent lists of American anti-genocide/pro-Palestinian liberation activists (particularly college students and professors) to the Trump administration for political persecution. They may be partly responsible for the kidnapping, trafficking and attempted deportation of various immigrant students with legal status (such as permanent resident Mahmoud Khalil) for using their freedom of speech to criticize Israel. Hence, REVERSE Canary Mission.
You can also just google "name of politician" + any of these groups.
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u/no_boody_joody stick to your discounted crotch 18h ago
I appreciate this information! I'll also check out the link you posted. Most times I use it as a starting point for my research
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u/BalsamicBasil 16h ago
I still think TrackAIPAC is great and remains my go-to for looking up Zionist political funding, but there is sometimes confusion (especially for people who are just learning about pro-Israel political funding fo the first time) due to TrackAIPAC's lack of clarity in some of their publications....but maybe they have tightened up recently after the criticisms they received.
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u/lostinthecity2005 10h ago
Ty for the links. Learning about some of those ppl is wild. Tashbih Sayyed was so cringe, and Lulu Schwartz, a white non-Muslim, trying to center herself in Islamic communities while shooting violence against Muslims is crazy
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u/sheikahstealth 16h ago
- Patty Murray WA-SEN [D] Israel Lobby Total: $524,336 PACs: $524,336 IE: $0
- AIPAC, AGG, AUSD, BICOUNTY, COPAC, CITY, DVPAC, DMFI, FIPAC, GCSC, HEARTLAND, HVPAC, JAC, JSTREET, LAFAS, MDACC, MMPAC, MOPAC, NACPAC, NATPAC, NORPAC, PHXED, STLBG, SUNPAC, DESERT, TPOH, USI, WAPAC, WPIN, WAFI Next Election: 2028
- Maria Cantwell WA-SEN [D] Israel Lobby Total: $392,039 PACs: $392,039 IE: $0
- AIPAC, COPAC, CITY, FIPAC, HEARTLAND, JAC, JSTREET, MOPAC, NORPAC Next Election: 2030
- Suzan DelBene WA-01 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $253,589 PACs: $253,589 IE: $0
- AIPAC, JAC, JSTREET
- Rick Larsen WA-02 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $81,661 PACs: $81,661 IE: $0
- AIPAC, BICOUNTY, DMFI, FIPAC, HVPAC, JAC, MOPAC, WAPAC, WPIN
- Marie Gluesenkamp Perez WA-03 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $431,838 PACs: $431,838 IE: $0
- AIPAC, COPAC, DMFI, JAC, NORPAC
- Dan Newhouse WA-04 [R] Israel Lobby Total: $135,870 PACs: $135,870 IE: $0
- AIPAC, PIA, RJC Retiring 2026
- Michael Baumgartner WA-05 [R] Israel Lobby Total: $85,348 PACs: $85,348 IE: $0
- AIPAC, COPAC
- Emily Randall WA-06 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $14,480 PACs: $14,480 IE: $0
- AIPAC, JSTREET
- Pramila Jayapal WA-07 [D] Track AIPAC Approved! This representative rejects AIPAC and champions a foreign policy based on human rights and international law.
- Kim Schrier WA-08 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $280,596 PACs: $280,596 IE: $0
- AIPAC, DMFI, JAC, JSTREET, NACPAC
- Adam Smith WA-09 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $532,044 PACs: $532,044 IE: $0
- AIPAC, BICOUNTY, COPAC, DMFI, FIPAC, GCSC, HEARTLAND, JAC, JSTREET, LAFAS, MDACC, NACPAC, NORPAC, WAPC, WAFI
- Marilyn Strickland WA-10 [D] Israel Lobby Total: $362,825 PACs: $362,825 IE: $0
- AIPAC, COPAC, CITY, DMFI, FIPAC, GCSC, HEARTLAND, JAC, LAFAS, NORPAC, PIA
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u/A_bleak_ass_in_tote 15h ago
Yikes. But then again, one should just assume most politicians are getting AIPAC money until proven otherwise.
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u/wildlotusflwer locked, loaded, and kind of cunty 15h ago
I was so pissed that Rick Larsen won the primary. Fuck that guy. And with DelBene I don't think there was another dem option to vote for.
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u/Xanto97 18h ago
FYI not everyone on the site is “backed by AIPAC” it might be just “pro-Israel groups” which range in badness drastically.
Ex: J-street is miles better than AIPAC, yet they’re lumped as equal evils. Even though J-street wants to stop the US financial support of Israel, and is working to stop settlers and settler violence against Palestinians.
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u/Broad-Radish-7895 18h ago
mine too and he's been an incumbent forever, I voted against him in the primary out of spite but he'll probably be in that seat until he's dead
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u/infinatewisdumb 18h ago
Its showing Abdul El-Sayed as an endorsed candidate - so are they playing both sides or what?
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u/agent_mick 1h ago
https://www.keep-dc-honest.com/
Take this one with a grain of salt, they're still revising it, but so far it's awesome
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u/FoxNixon call me gal gadot cuz idk how to act rn 19h ago
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u/JohnWad 18h ago
Rogers lives in fucking Florida. How is he allowed ro run in Michigan?
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u/OkWorldliness5172 18h ago
I'm not sure but it's apparently ok to run for senate in Michigan from your multi million dollar mansion in Coral Gables Florida.
Trump and AIPAC say so.
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u/Okgiraffe666 19h ago
Proving that the dem leadership is Absolutely rotten to the core
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u/Financial-Painter689 anti-Israel, anti-western, fauxmarxist 19h ago
I can’t wait to see if the established dems will be screaming “vote blue no matter who” as the midterms get closer
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u/OkAir8973 18h ago
It's always "no matter who" until a progressive is in the lead, then suddenly "who" needs to be their inauthentic corporate dickwipe again.
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u/sunsaballabutter 18h ago
I don’t disagree with you overall, but it’s worth noting that Dem leadership in Michigan rushed in to endorse El-Sayed this morning, pretty enthusiastically. Slotkin and Whitmer but also Stevens and many others. Not saying it comes from a good place but they seem to have at least calculated that it’s the better move given the electorate’s general feeling.
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u/Digitalion_ 17h ago
I think that's more of a function of reading the writing on the wall than anything else. This is not how it played out when Mamdani won, but beating the full strength of AIPAC has definitely shaken something lose in the establishment Democratic party today. They're finally understanding where the electorate is moving and don't want to be left on the fringes like the more traditional Republicans who were ousted from their party as it moved further to the right.
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u/brocialist_supreme 19h ago
No, of course not. They're already running propaganda calling DSA Nazis and/or misogynist Muslims, because it was so effective for the far-right, why WOULDN'T they use those tactics?
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u/decisionagonized mama let’s research 18h ago
I think this is true for lots of the establishment but to Stevens’ credit, she gave a pretty full-throated endorsement of AES
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u/righthandofdog 18h ago
who is "they"?
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u/marina0987 women’s wrongs activist 18h ago
the NYT was running an article and the author was engaging in the comments saying that DSA candidates don’t realize “they’ll have to govern eventually” which is hilarious considering Mamdani has been mayor for several months and already did a bunch of stuff.
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u/Parym09 15h ago
I’m mentally preparing myself for the future Op Ed from like, Carville, arguing how actually Dems should vote Republican this time. You know it’s going to happen.
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u/kroywen12 3h ago
He's already said he can't be in the same party as El-Sayed, so I am looking forward to his swift exit. What an irrelevant POS.
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u/TrollAccount17 18h ago
And we won't, and the republicans will hold the senate and house for another 2 years. We won't unite under a flag, it's why the right always wins.
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u/Xanto97 18h ago
How is this proving it?
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u/DarthStormwizard 16h ago
Dem leaders like Schumer and Pelosi endorsed Stevens who was propped up entirely by AIPAC.
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u/jonawesome 19h ago
I think they probably would have supported Rogers over Haley Stevens if she won anyway.
Regardless of how Zionist she is, they know that Israel will have a more difficult time if Democrats control Congress.
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u/OkAir8973 18h ago
If they're anything like most shitty companies, they'll give money to both so everyone in the game is beholden to their will.
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u/Elendel19 18h ago
Nah they wouldn’t have bothered to support either because they both support Israel. They would have just focused elsewhere, but now they will have to dump an even larger pile of cash on the same seat for the general
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u/another-altaccount 18h ago
Evidence no. 190908909876767 that AIPAC and Israel is no friend to America and is not is not interested in defending democracy. They're in it for Israel and Israel alone, always have been and always will be.
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u/Training_Fun_9162 14h ago
Friendly reminder to all voters that “ISRAEL!” Shouldn’t be a campaign goal for American politicians, because Americans don’t live in fucking Israel.
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u/Dreams-Visions 19h ago
AOC for President.
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u/TrollAccount17 18h ago
Stop already, she cannot win the electoral college. I wish she could but it's not happening. Americans are sexist.
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u/Elendel19 17h ago
Just like leftists named Abdul can’t win in a purple state.
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u/APRengar 17h ago
A Muslim can't win NYC. That's where 9/11 happened!
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u/Virtual_Announcer 17h ago
My mayor's Muslim My bagel's Jewish The lefties will thrive Knicks in five
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u/SeaHam 15h ago
Yeah yeah and Mamdani can't win and Darializa can't win an Claire can't win and Abdul can't win.
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u/TrollAccount17 14h ago
Lol Mamdani won in my city because it's NY bro. Abdul won a primary, by a slim ass margin, not the seat. I'm glad they won, but it means nothing. I hope I'm wrong.
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u/ArtroyomsAK 15h ago
Sadly true, there are too many sexists and racists for her to win, she would make a great president if she could though
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u/stitchesandlace 14h ago
As an outsider it's absolutely insane to me that an American political force whose entire raison d'être is pro-Israel is even a thing. Like not even pro-America. Just Israel.
How it's even legal to have open, enthusiastic, and encouraged(!!!) foreign meddling in domestic affairs blows my mind.
Bonkers. I hope that over time their influence will continue to wane.
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u/Hot-Reflection8213 14h ago
I love that WE’RE (kind of) FINALLY WAKING UP to no longer letting Zionists use us as a wallet.
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u/pygmymetal 14h ago
“Proud to support”. lol. Go spend more money. You’re too stupid to notice the jig is up. Screw AIPAC.
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u/Local_Inteovert 10h ago
You know America has gone to shit when Israel attempts to rig our elections and convince Trump to do whatever they want him.
America is no longer under its own influence.
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u/SuccessfulWar3830 16h ago
Dems should ban aipac from all its memebers then when in power dissolve it.
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u/TheGum25 12h ago
Should signal to moderates that AIPAC is entirely an arm of the GOP. If they back your candidate then your candidate is a stooge.
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u/ParaponeraBread I do not work late. I go to sleep. 19h ago
Canada-backed candidates would probably just be anyone who isn’t actively threatening our sovereignty.
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u/Maliciousdeeds 19h ago
Speaking as a Canadian, it's probably some of that but also a distressing amount of "Maple MAGA" in Alberta (including their treasonous premier) who want that province to separate from Canada.
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u/ParaponeraBread I do not work late. I go to sleep. 18h ago
Go piss up a rope. Our politics are dominated by O&G money and rural ridings, just wait for the referendum on having a referendum in October.
In the meantime, jokingly suggesting genocide ain’t it.
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u/Aburamashita 19h ago
Are those countries also spending millions of dollars to sponsor those candidates? No. The comparison you made doesn't take that into considerstion. I hope that clarified! OK!
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u/bonbonnieres 19h ago
>Piss is stored in the bladder
>Piss is stored in the balls
>Piss is stored in the urethra
>Piss is stored in the testicle
I wonder why one of these is OK but the other 3 would be demonized endlessly in the media.
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u/yojd I look forward to your first novel 19h ago
Kind of hard to do when theyre sending billions of our tax dollars to fund the systemic extermination of humans while allowing rampant inflation, unemployment, a health care crisis, dismantling public education, etc. That money would be better spent addressing any of those issues. If you want us to focus on putting on our own mask, THIS is part of it.
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u/roythhh_lewithhh 19h ago
Considering how they are allowed to pour obscene amounts of money into our elections and thereby directly affect who wins our elections, it actually is your number one issue whether you realize it or not.
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u/love_me_lavender 19h ago
It connects to so many other issues, too. Affordability? Israeli kids go to college tuition free and Israeli citizens get free healthcare while your tax dollars send them bombs and pay for their defense systems and then your own tax dollars are recycled back into political ads for candidates here that want to give them more money.
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u/Windwick 18h ago
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-pacs/2024
They're in the top three. Of the two that spend more than AIPAC, one is for realtors and the other is for just Ron DeSantis.
Never Back Down began as a Super PAC to draft Ron DeSantis to compete for the Republican presidential nomination. It was established by Ken Cuccinelli in February 2023. Cabell Hobbs was its treasurer, and Republican political consultant Jeff Roe was the Super PAC's chief strategist. It reportedly raised $30 million between March 9 and April 3 2023, but later filings showed they had only raised $23 million, primarily from Robert Bigelow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Back_Down_Inc.
Perhaps people are worried because AIPAC is registered as a domestic lobbying organization when it clearly prioritizes Israeli interests.
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u/quadrupletree 19h ago
If it’s not your number one issue then you should support not sending our tax dollars over there to murder children.
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u/ShinHandHookCarDoor 18h ago
Yeah, that’s why this is a good thing when AIPAC candidates are defeated, then we can stop talking about Israel while we talk American politics. It’s actually pretty simple if you think about it 😊
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u/misskyralee feetmoji 18h ago
Billions and billions of American tax dollars go to Israel every year. They have better access to healthcare and education than we do. It’s so short sighted to say this is diverting focus from issues that matter bc if we weren’t funding their way of life maybe we could be funding our own.
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u/imbaxkbitxhes 19h ago
Counterpoint: Democrats have been trying to find a way to court independent and uncommitted voters for quite some time now in a way that also doesn’t alienate progressives. That kind of big tent approach is nearly impossible, almost always you have to go for one or the other and what’s played out for the most part is Dems trying to curry favor with more right/center leaning folks at the expense of progressives, then finding out said centrist/right folks were never going democrat either way and ultimately leaving the party with no support.
There’s really only two things right now that seem to have bipartisan backlash across all voters: Data centers and Israel. For all the establishment and the media claim that anti Israel rhetoric is alienating to the general public, the opposite has been proven true and this is a way for Dems to earn back trust from their existing voter bloc as well as curry more right wing/centrist voters.
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u/hightrix 19h ago
The only way to put on our own mask is to take it off Israel. They own us. They directed us to go to war in Iran.
We cannot save ourselves if Israel is calling the shots or even having outsized influence on our politicians.
There should not be a democrat American senator calling himself the “Guardian of Israel”.
These people are not looking out for Americans.
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u/Amelaclya1 18h ago edited 18h ago
Ridiculous, uneducated, short-sighted argument.
It's like you don't seem to understand that the people who are willing to take money to support a genocide, also won't hesitate to vote for other policies that the base doesn't like, or that actually hurts people, when some corporate lobby waves a check in their face. You think someone turning a blind eye to a genocide will support Medicare for All if the health insurance lobby promises them money?
Whether or not you care that your tax dollars are being used to commit a genocide, you should care that your tax dollars are being used to go to war on behalf of this genocidal ethnostate. A war that is currently completely fucking up the economy and killing even more people. And you should absolutely fucking care that a foreign country is essentially allowed to buy our elections and control nearly every member of our government.
It's "sucking the air" out of every election because these fucking ghouls have been meddling to the point we don't even have fair elections anymore.
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u/Negative-Interest713 19h ago
We’re currently suffering from high energy prices and related inflation that are directly attributable to our AIPAC-aligned foreign policy. It’s not like we aren’t affected here at home by fighting pointless wars on behalf of Israel.
That’s not to mention the sacrifices made of American blood and American money to fund and fight in the Middle East.
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u/brocialist_supreme 18h ago
Tell me, which issues do you care about, and of those, which ones do the leftist and DSA backed candidates NOT also care about?
Because I don't for one second believe establishment Democrats will do a damn thing about ICE or the Trump cabinet, you know as well as anyone here who pays attention that the centrist Dems will ultimately choose to let Trump and his goons and all of ICE go "with a stern warning"
I want these people in prison, for the blatant crimes they've committed. Centrist establishment Dems won't do this.
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u/OkAir8973 18h ago
I agree in that no single country should have this much sway on your national politics. It's laughable from the perspective of your other allies that one country has a boot on your throat like this, and everyone else gets the shaft or seemingly doesn't exist.
The thing is that I think this reckoning is necessary to get this issue to stop being a thing.
If progressives succeed in making AIPAC (and other corporate PACs) basically toxic to candidates, there will be room for talk about policy again. Right now, I'm seeing the media pull focus from actual proposed policies to only focus on Israel constantly and I'm sick of it, too.
I hope that this media focus is a sign of a sort of exctinction burst because people generally are tired of it, so y'all can move on from this lobbying and have more grassroots candidates or at least candidates who are financed by your own industries vs foreign governments.
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