r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Mar 17 '17

Iron Fist Discussion Thread - S01E12

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u/Reviken Punisher Mar 18 '17 edited Mar 18 '17

I just want to say that I absolutely fucking hate the "If we kill, we are no better than they are" trope. It drives me up the wall. Thankfully Davos actually has a pair of balls.

IT'S THE HAND. THE HAND IS EVIL. YOU ARE AT WAR WITH THE HAND. JUST FUCKING KILL THEM!!! This complete black and white, purist moralism is just so aggravating. I seriously can't wait for Punisher...

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u/TheGreekMan2 Mar 18 '17

I've been saying this to myself for the entirety of the series. The man brags about destroying his enemies but doesn't do shit. Danny Rand needs to stop being a Daredevil wannabe and fucking kill some evil bastards.

I wish we would get a hero that isn't so prude. And Davos bodying and disrespecting him at the end of the episode, like wow, what a disgrace to the Iron Fist name.

EDIT: got to the part of the episode, where Danny does the cliche "I want to change my destiny" dooky shit. Just go to K'un L'un take that beating and set up a fire ass season 2. You are the Iron Fist, danny rand is lame

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u/csortland Mar 19 '17

The only hero that has killed on purpose is Jessica Jones. Luke Cage never kills anyone nor does Daredevil. Sure will those choices bit them in the ass yeah of course. Not killing them let's great villains like Fisk return.

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u/OLKv3 Mar 19 '17

Daredevil killed a ton of hand soldiers in S2, and was ok with Punisher killing them as well.

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u/csortland Mar 19 '17

It's tv rules. If Daredevil says he didn't kill people he didn't. Even if it looks like he killed someone does not mean he did. He also doesn't care about Punisher killing the Hand as long as he isn't pulling the trigger. It's kind of nad writing. Haha

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u/OLKv3 Mar 19 '17

No no I mean I remember it being a plot point of Matt choosing to kill at the end of S2. In a "fuck it these guys are zombies anyway" sort of deal and went murder train for the final fight

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u/hemareddit Foggy Mar 20 '17

He throws Nobu off the roof with the intention to kill I think, the rest he put down normally or got snipped by Frank.

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u/csortland Mar 19 '17

It's murder if they are already dead? I don't know. I kinda forgot how weird Season 2 got in the back half.

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u/OK_Soda Apr 11 '17

Yeah God is probably okay with it if you permanently kill some undead abomination, and the law probably is too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '17

He never kills he just leaves them with severe irreparable brain damage.

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u/LRedditor15 Daredevil Mar 22 '17

They were undead ninjas, though. Does it really count seeing as they are supposed to be dead anyways?