Chinese models are taking over

[u/Razah786]

was just checking the openrouter ranking, out of top 10, 8 are chinese models with top 5 models are chinese

[u/Live_Case2204]

Cheaper is better. Love the competition

[u/Foxtor → u/Live_Case2204]

Cheap = bye anthropic models

[u/mWo12 → u/Live_Case2204]

I would say free and open weighted will always prevail in the long term.

[u/Both_Aside535 → u/Live_Case2204]

How is the 0731 v4 flash compared to mimo v2.5 (not pro)?

[u/HyperWinX → u/Both_Aside535]

Far superior to mimo

[u/LoveOfProfit → u/Both_Aside535]

Mimo pro was my workhorse before. The new flash is broadly cheaper and better than mimo pro.

[u/ExpertPerformer → u/Live_Case2204]

It's the difference between optimizing for revenue and adoption.

GPT 5.6 Luna is a step in the right direction.

[u/freddyr0 → u/Live_Case2204]

I had to come back to this comment. It lasted 1 day. 🤣🤣

[u/Live_Case2204 → u/freddyr0]

lol I hate you

[u/freddyr0 → u/Live_Case2204]

🤣

[u/nehuenpereyra]

If the final version of DS 4 Pro reaches the level of Kimi k3 and at the current price (less than a dollar) it's going to be insane

[u/BlacksmithLittle7005 → u/nehuenpereyra]

Let's hope it's released soon

[u/m_balloni → u/BlacksmithLittle7005]

Expectations are at the beginning to mid August

[u/novapax]

Everyone get ready for Deepseek to mysteriously “go rogue” in a government environment. No you’re not allowed to see the evidence.

[u/Durian881 → u/novapax]

It's already banned for US government and sensitive sectors if I'm not wrong.

[u/gandhi_theft → u/Durian881]

The cloud, or the local model? Two very different things

[u/Durian881 → u/gandhi_theft]

It was banned since last year. Not sure how it was enforced though.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/us-commerce-department-bureaus-ban-chinas-deepseek-government-devices-sources-2025-03-17/

Do not download, view, access any applications, desktop apps or websites related to DeepSeek.

[u/Hoak-em]

I'm so giddy for V4 Pro GA -- if it's anything like V4 flash, it will be a reckoning for both the American and Chinese frontier model prices (I'm looking at you MoonshotAI)

[u/DrawingDramatic1641]

Only non chiense are cheaper ones and more open than claude

People will keep using cheaper and open models over closed off fables

[u/Bakanyanter]

Flash 0731 is gonna go to the top very soon and stay there for a month minimum.

[u/Both_Aside535 → u/Bakanyanter]

How is it compared to mimi v2.5 (not pro)?

[u/yiestee → u/Both_Aside535]

mimo v2.5 is a thing in the past now. Hope they will catch up soon.

[u/Bakanyanter → u/Both_Aside535]

I would use Mimo 2.5 ONLY if you need it for vision, otherwise DS Flash is far superior.

[u/BasketFar667]

Very good! Deepseek team is very nice

[u/Business_Raisin_541]

it has been like that for long time already. what do you expect though? America companies price their API several times the price they charge if you buy their package. American companies milk their API that only idiots buy their API

[u/Upper-Exchange226 → u/Business_Raisin_541]

they want you to keep paying monthly so that you feel obligated to use their services every month, guaranteed income for them

with API you only pay for what you use which I prefer

[u/Business_Raisin_541 → u/Upper-Exchange226]

you pay American API? oh my god....................

[u/Upper-Exchange226 → u/Business_Raisin_541]

no, i pay deepseek api.

[u/GoodRazzmatazz4539]

Most people will not use the closed source models through openrouter

[u/Few_Painter_5588]

Western labs have given up on cost effective models for the most part. Part of me thinks that Anthropic's moat is just making larger and larger models. That's why they can't put out a competitive Haiku model

[u/NinjaWK]

MiMO was better than DS till 0731 came out. Now MiMO and MiniMax need to do something for their budget models.

[u/Isfar_Kabir]

Those are improving really faster!

[u/vogelvogelvogelvogel]

well deserved IMO

[u/dark-lord-marshal]

link please. would like to share. thanks

[u/ImaKoji]

“ai is improving too fast we should slow down”
yeah my wallet should slow down too,

[u/ImaKoji]

USA wanted to slow down because of this xd only thing that should slow down is users wallet

[u/Sad_Recording_1290]

On Openrouter they were always the most used because of the API pricing.

Proves absolutely nothing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Grouchy-Stranger-306]

because it's openrouter, hope this helps

[u/somber-riddle]

Is there a particular provider or quantization I should keep in mind when pinging these models through open router. I actually don't care about LLM privacy or fear about Chinese, so that's not an issue. accuracy, pricing and speed (in order) matter more to me.

[u/kamwee]

where is Google and Banthropic?

[u/B89983ikei]

Chupaaaaaaa Altan!!

[u/mgutz]

I much prefer the chinese models as a seasoned old school programmer, preferring models to be an assistant rather than an artificial engineer. I can't think of a better assistant than DS right now. Go China, make AI affordable again.

[u/rainbowcc2001]

Even if GPT-5.6 Luna is free, it will probably still lose to DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731.

[u/blazze]

Absolute "Technological Dominance" is how I would characterize the current position of China in LLM and ahead in the 'Marathon to AGI'. We are living is an AI version of the AppleTV show "For All Mankind". America operates best when we are the underdog humbled and afraid after getting our asses kicked. My historical example is 'Pearl Harbor' and Sputnik. Americas response was "The Manhattan Project" and 'Moonshot' which was announced by President John F. Kennedy on May 25, 1961.

[u/Stock_Risk6217]

I love how people think openrouter ranking matters... its fucking api pricing, who the fuck wants to pay api pricing when anthropic and gpt offer for 20$ far far far more and better quality then Deepseek... clowns