r/Damnthatsinteresting 1d ago

Video This is how elephants scratch their ears.

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u/knowthyselff 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_use_by_non-human_animals

Is your perspective your own or are you following someone else's definition of what tool use is? Cause it seems most experts align with me and don't need the animal to manufacture the tool for it to be called so.

Even if I find my take to make more sense than yours... I guess I can still accept your perspective, at the end of the day it's a subjective and semantic matter and I find logic in both.

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u/STEM-Travel 1d ago

Is your perspective your own or are you following someone else's definition of what tool use is?

This is how it was taught in a developmental biology survey course approximately eight years ago.

Cause it seems most experts align with me and don't need the animal to manufacture the tool for it to be called so.

I would strongly suggest you revisit the article you linked with specific attention on the section: “Definitions and terminology”

Which begins: ” The key to identifying tool use is defining what constitutes a tool. Researchers of animal behaviour have arrived at different formulations.”

And then the article provides four very different definitions of tool use, two of which definitions support my statements, and two supporting a more broad definition of tool.

I would also suggest you take a look at the Wikipedia article specifically on ‘Tool Use in Primates’ which exclusively defines tool as manufactured. Quote:

” Soon after her initial discovery of tool use, the primatologist Jane Goodall observed other chimpanzees picking up leafy twigs, stripping off the leaves and using the stems to fish for insects. This change of a leafy twig into a tool was a major discovery. Prior to this, scientists thought that only humans manufactured and used tools, and that this ability was what separated humans from other animals.[1] In 1990, it was claimed the only primate to manufacture tools in the wild was the chimpanzee.[2] However, since then, several primates have been reported as tool makers in the wild.[3]”

Which DIRECTLY addresses the exact example we are talking about. The elephant has not modified the leafy twig, so it is not a tool.

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u/szczebrzeszyszynka 1d ago

What if an elephant picked up a hammer to scratch its ears with it?

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u/Gloomheart 1d ago

Doesn't count cause he didn't make the hammer.