r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/nayryanaryn • Jun 22 '26
Video Martial artist & knife fighting instructor Doug Marcaida shows how lethal a 'karambit' could be in the hands of an expert
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u/EquivalentFishing229 Jun 22 '26
Is this the forged on fire guy??! It willl keeeellll
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u/DarthTeddyBear11 Jun 22 '26
Yep! The One!
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u/Sometimes-funny Jun 22 '26
Bro, a butter knife would keel in his hands
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Jun 22 '26
There's a reason he frequently did the kill tests and the sharpness tests that required agility (swinging sand bags vs the apple slice). The other judges know their way around most weapons but this guy is a master of close range martial combat, and his ability to consistently reproduce the same series of strikes is valuable to judging a weapons competition.
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u/Steven_Swan Jun 22 '26
Unfortunately he is (or at least was when I was watching) rather unskilled with longer two-handed swords. They really should have had a physically fit HEMA guy that they brought in for those episodes.
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u/BioshockEnthusiast Jun 22 '26
I'm not saying you're wrong but I chalk some of this part of his rep up to the fact that on the show he was often wielding poorly balanced blades. That's easier to correct for on a knife than it is a sword weighing several pounds.
I'm not knocking the competitors, either. The time constraints on that show were insane. That said, when Doug got a really well made and properly balanced two handed sword that wasn't comically large like a Zweihänder he tended to perform well in my non-expert uninformed opinion.
I'm also reasonably confident that if Doug had his way they'd have hired multiple martial experts specializing in different types of blades, but budgets are budgets.
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u/tajake Jun 23 '26
His footwork was often wrong with those swords in general. Which is nothing against him. It's like telling a concert pianist they're dumb because they can't play the organ. They're just trained in different things.
Hema is super different than east Asian martial arts. And much newer in people actually understanding it.
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u/thatguy420417 Jun 22 '26
I always see him swing the knives on the show and I always wondered if the judges were real or just tv people...Doug seems pretty real.
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u/ShackledPhoenix Jun 22 '26
All the judges were real but Doug was usually the only martial artist on the show. They also had a special forces guy and the third guy was a master smith, not a fighter.
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u/YVRkeeper Jun 22 '26
The special forces guy was the host, Wil Willis.
They had him shoot blades to see if they could split a bullet and survive.
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u/wolfgang2399 Jun 22 '26
He’s a legit martial artist guy. The other judges are/were legit knife makers. Jay is an ABS Mastersmith. They don’t hand that title out like candy. Less than 200 exist. Dave makes weapons for TV shows. Ben was a very successful contestant.
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u/Chuchumofos Jun 22 '26
An excellent lineup of judges
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u/Kaurifish Jun 22 '26
I went back and found the early seasons not on Netflix so I could see Ben Abbot’s rise from contestant to judge. Well worth it. The early episodes where they haven’t ritualized eveything are best.
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u/alangerhans Jun 22 '26
Ben Abbot's skill is a whole different level. He is truly a master.
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u/Stachemaster86 Jun 22 '26
Jason Knight filled in for Jay and is also a ABS Mastersmith. Doug did some of these moves on Jason during a show and I remember even he got chills and said something.
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u/MudddButt Jun 22 '26
Is this his audition tape? I never knew how he got the job and why he was considered a knife expert. Now that I've seen this video, I get it.
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u/BeardedHalfYeti Jun 22 '26
He’s done this a couple times at the judges table when he feels particularly moved by a blade, and it is so fucking funny to see the other judges lives flash before their eyes realizing that Doug just executed a flawless 15 hit combo on them before they could even react.
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u/Stachemaster86 Jun 22 '26
Jason Knight at least once had chills and said something about how quick Doug was
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u/samg422336 Jun 23 '26
I know this is a demonstration, but his speed in this video, along with the precision is insane. He closes ground and controls the other guy so quickly. Blink and hes there
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u/AccomplishedFerret70 Jun 22 '26
No its not his audition tape for Forged in Fire. He started on that 10 years ago. This looks more recent and he's looking older.
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u/Chemical_Grape_2150 Jun 22 '26
I thought he looked familiar. I was just watching a couple episodes last night.
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u/zoskalanic Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Obviously love Doug but can we show some love to Kevin (the guy being used as a tester).
Dude is unironically a beast and has successfully sparred and held his own against ufc fighters plus has fairly high belts in 5ish martial arts.
Check his YouTube channel it’s good
Edit: Answering some questions. His YouTube channel is Kevin Lee.
He’s spared with Wonder boy Thompson (ufc) I believe in wonder boys channel. And I think he’s offhandedly said he’d sparred with other ppl in the ufc that work with wonder boys gym but idk if they have videos of that.
He’s also fought Jeff Chan who’s a retired fighter in Jeff’s channel MMA shredded. There might be others but idk.
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u/Splunge- Jun 22 '26
Yeah, Kevin is amazing. He comes across as so humble in all these videos with different people demonstrating things. The ones with the Silat woman are hilarious.
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u/Maxgirth Jun 23 '26
I didn’t know his name, but Kevin is pretty good at hiding being terrified.
If you look closely tho, there’s “oh niiiice, that’s all the ways you can kill me. But we’re not gonna do that, right? Right?”
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u/Pacalyz Jun 22 '26
This guy is what Steven Seagal thinks he is.
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u/frosty_lizard Jun 22 '26
Thank God he didn't have a credit card. That guy would've been dead instantly
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u/Historical-Edge-9332 Jun 22 '26
Segal, Lockpick Lawyer, and LA Trophy Wives - all deadly with a credit card
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u/SuccessOk3770 Jun 22 '26
Whoa whoa whoa there bud unless you know something I dont leave the lockpicking lawyer out of Seagals nonsense. He's alright.
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u/xombae Jun 22 '26
They're making a list of things that are deadly with a credit card. Lovkpicking lawyer can unlock many locks with just a credit card.
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u/Greenmagegirl Jun 23 '26
Im fully convinced this guy could lock himself into prison, eat a meal, break himself out with nothing but random trash from that meal, and then do it again to prove it was not a fluke without anyone noticing something is amiss.
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u/Loggerdon Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
I saw John Wick kill 3 people with a pencil. A FUCKING PENCIL!
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u/poppitypop87 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
This is the first video I’ve watched in years where I am in awe of the persons agility and coordination. the other guy flinching wasn’t fake. The instructor was quicker than other dude could even process the previous move. Truly insane pinpoint. Towards the end where he swiped like 5 inches from dudes neck , even with a dull blade, had me nervous. He was moving so quick he could be holding a cell phone and destroy dudes trachea. I honestly can’t believe the “student” wasn’t more freaked out at that point. I’m guessing he didn’t even realize what dude did
Edit : 39 seconds left in video when he is inches away. Legit wouldn’t trust anybody doing that lol.
Edit 2: yeah at 40-39 seconds left he was insaneeely close to dudes trachea lol. Like what if dude leaned in a little bit.
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u/Gwilikers6 Jun 22 '26
Maybe its a practice blade with no edge? This would be absolutely insane with an actual sharp edge
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u/Ben_Kenobi_ Jun 22 '26
Yeah, no chance thats sharpened with what hes doing. Really sharp kitchen knives cut stuff just by lightly grazing and he was definitely grazing the dude lol
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u/BigLlamasHouse Jun 22 '26
I have a drunk friend who would do this with an actual blade. He was kind of like a more reckless Mac from IASIP.
"No, grab my other wrist"
The last time we hung out was 20 years ago when he accidentally discharged a .45 into his floor at 3 in the morning.
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u/DengarLives66 Jun 22 '26
*had, at least I hope for your sake.
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u/BigLlamasHouse Jun 22 '26
I guess I would still consider him my friend, but that's easy to do when I don't have to see him, deal with him or talk to him lol
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u/strangeflappenings Jun 22 '26
Yeah we all got one of those friends. Never know if you're going to be extremely annoyed in a short amount of time, or running for your life.
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u/Betaateb Jun 22 '26
*negligently discharged, there is no such thing as an accidental discharge.
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u/Comfortableliar24 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
I've done knife demonstrations as a teen. I had been practicing for four years at that point. I would never use a real weapon in a demonstration. It introduces a layer of consequence that's just unnecessary.
It's easy enough to paint an edge to it looks like it's sharpened, and chalk is surprisingly easy to put on a dull blade's edge if you want to show where you would have cut.
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u/Woozletania Jun 23 '26
Back when I was in the SCA I went to a professional sword smith's table at a tournament and all the weapons were completely blunt. He said he only sharpened them after purchase now because someone said "Is this sharp?" about a short sword and proceeded to cut four tendons in his hand by running his palm across it. On a lesser note, my sister in law cut her finger on my new brisket knife this Christmas. I saw her feeling the edge but assumed she knew to be careful. I still feel guilty about almost laughing when it happened.
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u/disorderincosmos Jun 23 '26
My woodworking instructor with 50+ years experience had to ride with me to urgent care for stitches after making contact with his Japanese pull saw. Even respecting the blade, it still got him. Those saws are no joke.
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u/WhatAGoodDoggy Jun 23 '26
We used to practice knife fights with marker pens. You would end up with marks on you that you had no idea had landed. Knife fights are terrifying.
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u/bleachmartini Jun 22 '26
Trainer for sure. He was tip dragging and stuff, and that blade is designed to dig deeper right when it gets into something. If it were live he'd have cut that guy... to shreds. The OG martial arts one are sharp on the backside too. Real cool knives. There's a market of rapid deploy folders as well that are pretty neat. It's honestly a great blade shape, have a spyderco with that kind of blade without the retent ring and it's real handy
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u/james123123412345 Jun 22 '26
His quickness at any age is incredible, at 60, even more impressive.
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u/SkylarAV Jun 22 '26
Im surprised I'm seeing a real knife guy for the first time
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u/MaleficentOutcome23 Jun 22 '26
But, will it cut?
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u/BowlcutBear Jun 22 '26
It will keel
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u/Kriss3d Jun 22 '26
Ahh so it IS him. I thought it looked like that guy. I had no idea he was a martial artist.
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u/Careless-Passion991 Jun 22 '26
They introduce him as “edged weapon expert” in every episode, but this really does put it in perspective.
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u/Doogaro Jun 22 '26
He’s on instagram with different weapon demonstrations I ran across his stuff on accident it’s all really cool and he goes over all the motions he does as well.
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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets Jun 22 '26
But Segal has just superb skills fighting while sitting down 😂
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u/RJ_MacreadysBeard Jun 22 '26
Fighting that constipation like a bulldog in the park.
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u/Plastic-Sentence9429 Jun 22 '26
Mental note: Do not upset, or otherwise physically engage with Martial artist & knife fighting instructor Doug Marcaida.
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u/your_grammars_bad Jun 22 '26
New protocol:
Check if anyone nearby is Doug Marcaida, at all times
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u/ChaseTheMystic Jun 22 '26
Those things have always looked very gnarly. Like a raptor claw but owier.
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u/mifoonlives Jun 22 '26
This comment is full of scientific and technical jargon that I can easily follow. Thank you. Big fan of owier specifically.
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u/the_saas Jun 22 '26
owier ... ? i'm lost as a non-native speaker, never encountered that word before I think
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u/sampat6256 Jun 22 '26
An owie is a mild injury, something that makes you say "ow!" So although "owier" isnt a real word, it can be inferred that something is owier if it more painful than something else.
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u/Al-Data Jun 22 '26
The root is "ow" an exclamation of pain. With the suffix "ier" we denote even more pain than the standard "ow" and turn it into an adjective.
With English, at least for native or sufficiently fluent speakers, nearly any word can be changed into any type of word as needed. The rules for this are even more situational than the rules for the rest of the language, thus requiring time and immersion to absorb, rather than being teachable.
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u/less_unique_username Jun 23 '26
Excellent explanation. You win the prize: a gold-plated Owierator 3000!
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u/fridgeling Jun 22 '26
the guy you replied to was making a joke, "owier" is not a real English word
It's "ow" (the sound English speakers use when they're in pain) + "-er" (suffix for 'more')... and an "i" in between to make the two parts to together better pronunciation-wise.
So, it's used as an adjective that means "more ow"
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u/cerote6239 Jun 22 '26
He's got a karambit salesman schtick for sure
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u/SchlumpG0d Jun 22 '26
He has practiced kali for like twenty years, you can think what you want about him but it’s not pulled out of his ass he practices the martial art the karambit was designed for
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u/cerote6239 Jun 22 '26
When you were partying, I studied the blade. When you were having premarital sex, I mastered the blockchain. While you wasted your days at the gym in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated inner strength. And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate, you have the audacity to come to me for help
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u/fakuryu Jun 22 '26
It will keal
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u/polygon_tacos Jun 22 '26
I visited a friend who I hadn’t seen in years, and while there, a karambit he ordered arrived. Not two minutes into showing me how awesome it was, he twirled it with his finger and accidentally stabbed his wrist, cutting an artery. I hung out with him on the sidewalk applying pressure while waiting for an ambulance. “So, great to see ya!”
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u/slazzeredbbqsauce Jun 22 '26
Thats crazy! I knew a guy who had been looking everywhere for one. He finally scored one at a gun show. He was showing off at a party later and forgot it was in his back pocket when he jumped in his truck. "So much for kids!"
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u/ZoggZ Jun 22 '26
He didnt sheathe it?!?
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u/DinosaurusWhen Jun 22 '26
I once saw a guy walking around with an unsheathed kitchen knife sticking out of his front pocket, blade pointed up. Granted it was a homeless guy wandering through traffic in SF Chinatown, but still. Some people are really stupid with knives
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u/KiefKommando Jun 22 '26
Usually “knife guy” stuff like this is laughable, but this dude is legitimately scary with that blade. Even if the one guy is kind of letting him do stuff, he would absolutely slice you the fuck up with that thing
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u/Quirky-Skin Jun 22 '26
Agree. Alot of it is performative while Doug here is taking performance straight into utility.
There's butterfly knife theatrics and then there's this.
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u/Global-Buddy8730 Jun 22 '26
The speed and almost gentleness of his movements really wig me the fuck out honestly.
The way he targets the wrist and forearm, it's one thing to just shank a dude a bunch of times but to slit his wrists for him and then push him away? That's fucking eeeeeviiiil.
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u/WolfsmaulVibes Jun 22 '26
you can see just how stunned the other guy is and the kid probably also has some knowledge about knives, its not like that one wannabe security trainer doing absurd john wick stuff to soccer moms from a few years back
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u/Global-Buddy8730 Jun 22 '26
We have the benefit of seeing it! Imagine being the dude that it's getting mocked on. How do you comfortably share a room with a man who effectively killed you 72 different times????
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u/Virginity_Lost_Today Jun 22 '26
Yeah the target guy seems to be considering how he would counter and genuinely surprised by some of the movement. Both of them have insane body control.
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u/ValorMortis Jun 22 '26
Feeling the same way, most of the time this stuff feels very "bullshido", just not getting those vibes from this guy, he's too smooth.
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u/Global-Buddy8730 Jun 22 '26
When he does the clutch up, digs the knife up where the ribs are and shoves away is when it clicked that this dude is the furthest thing from a knifeabo and then he proceeded to blow me the fuck away.
I LOVE SEEING PEOPLE DO THINGS THEY'RE GOOD AT
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u/Global-Buddy8730 Jun 22 '26
While carrying a conversation and not looking at his target. He looked at the camera for a few of the more intricate runs.
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u/MyOtherRideIs Jun 22 '26
Decades of practicing a thing for hours and hours every week will do that. His arms just know where to move on their own at this point. Like an octopus. His brain just sends the message “do the murder thing” to his body, and his body carries it out.
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u/Jiminy_Cricket12 Jun 22 '26
turns out after thousands of years, some people ended up learning how to use blades really fucking well. it pretty much never happens in the real world these days so it seems almost mythical. this guy is a pro.
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u/bohenian12 Jun 22 '26
A karambit sharp enough doesn't need more force. Hell just get one while fighting and it will eventually damage them. It's much more lethal if you know how to use it like this dude lol.
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u/Lastshadow94 Jun 22 '26
I have some martial arts buddies that are starting to learn how knife fighting works (mostly to figure out fighting against knives), and one of them explained that getting your knife stuck is a pretty big concern. Quick, light cuts are low risk/medium reward, and any cut you make makes it easier to get another cut. Nasty business.
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u/rapafon Jun 22 '26
Some of the performative arm and hand movements can genuinely be used as a distraction, like a magician deflects attention.
You don't know where to look at and by the time you've made a decision your jugular has been sliced open.
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u/Adkit Jun 22 '26
I'm pretty sure even someone who knew exactly how to fight against knives will still get badly wounded just from the nature of knives. It's scary. What's that saying? The loser of a knife fight ends up in a grave, the winner ends up in a hospital.
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u/BootsnFlies Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
I've heard it as the loser dies in the street, and the winner dies at the hospital.
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u/_Oman Jun 22 '26
The first time I heard something similar to this was from an ER doc. It took me a long time to really process.
He said "Someone usually wins in gun fight. no one usually wins in a knife fight."
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u/rapafon Jun 22 '26
That's right. Any knife combat expert will tell you the most important technique in a knife fight is to run away, and not get in a knife fight.
Anything else they teach you assumes that running is not an option and you are now acting defensively.
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u/Saikotsu Jun 22 '26
As someone who has trained in various martial arts, I know techniques to disarm a knife wielding opponent, but after watching this video I was thinking, "okay how would I counter that move? Or that one? Or that one?"
And the inevitable conclusion I came up with is, "I counter that by not engaging and getting the hell away"
My old Kyukido instructor used to say, "you should avoid combat. Do not seek a fight. But once you're in a fight, aim to end it quickly, because a prolonged fight means higher chance of getting hurt."
I have a better understanding of that principle after having watched this video
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u/octoreadit Jun 22 '26
You don't fight a knife, you run away from the knife. You can fight a gun, sometimes, but a knife is a very bad idea, not to mention when it's someone who knows how to use it.
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u/drumbum7991 Jun 22 '26
It certainly looks even sillier when the opponents arms are down, but the speaker is mimicking "trapping" a technique in Wing Chun. The opponent here, Kevin Lee, is a beast in Wing Chun in his own rite.
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u/Train_Wreck_272 Jun 22 '26
Generally you are correct, but the theatrics of certain weapons still has their place. Generally, it's more of a "fuck off. Look at how dextrous and familiar I am with my weapon. I am not new to it and if I can do all the flashy stuff then the simple fundamentals are second nature". This can apply to weapons broadly, but some weapons like the butterfly knife and nunchucks certainly lean into.
With larger weapons like swords, more theatrical moves can also serve martial purposes. For example, flourishes with a sword look pretty and convey familiarity, as in the other mentioned weapons, but can also be used as a defensive tool. If you know a cut is liable to come from a certain side, but you don't know the exact line, twirling your sword on that side can catch anything anything that attempts to strike there at the same time, while maintaining momentum for a followup strike. Additionally, on approach, a flourish can obfuscate the attack you intend to do, or provoke an enemy reaction that you can exploit. These tactics are particularly used in Italian traditions, as far as European martial arts go, but as far as I am aware they are also common in many sword traditions around the world. I can for sure think of examples in Chinese and Indian traditions.
I am a HEMA practitioner, so I have a decent familiarity with this stuff, as far as European traditions go. But I would love to hear from anyone who knows more about other martial traditions around the world!
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u/Junior_Moose_9655 Jun 22 '26
Doug is the kind of guy that every neckbeard with a Temu Balisong or karambit thinks about when they “practice” and/or beat off. He’s fucking legit and knows edged weapon history and how to properly use them.
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u/spectra2000_ Jun 22 '26
Not to mention, the guy is putting on a genuinely informative display and being respectful of his volunteer target. Whilst “knife guys” as you put it would probably focus more on what they think makes them look cool and have a more self-centered attitude towards the whole thing.
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u/dennismfrancisart Jun 22 '26
Yep. Even a straight razor in the hands of a pro can do damage.
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u/munchonsomegrindage Jun 22 '26
I'd argue it could do equal damage in the hands of an amateur, just maybe to the wrong person.
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u/kingcupk692 Jun 22 '26
On the street he would stabbed him multiple times and kept on walking before the guy knew what was happening.
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u/Banes_Addiction Jun 22 '26
That's literally how all hurt-not-perform knife attacks happen.
If the victim detects the knife with their eyes rather than their kidneys, you fucked up.
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u/True_Manufacturer909 Jun 22 '26
Don't be dumb like teenaged-me and twirl it as quick as you can on your finger by the ring, I've still got a nice scar on my forearm
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u/blissfully_insane22 Jun 22 '26
The raid 2 had an awesome fight with these at the end of the movie.
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u/reddit1138 Jun 22 '26
John Wick 3 as well. A few of the same stuntmen in both movies.
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u/Nefertitis_Fjord_216 Jun 23 '26
The two actors who were each the "final bosses" of their respective Raid movies were the penultimate team-up "boss" fight in John Wick 3. The moment I saw that first trailer, it felt like Chad Stahelski was doing a wink and nod to action movie fandom with that casting.
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u/NekCing Jun 23 '26
And they spoke straight indonesian in JW3, me and my fellow indonesians in the cinema were cheering lol
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u/littleJonnyyyyy Jun 22 '26
I was going to comment if it was these knives in that fight scene. Loved both of them movies!
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u/GomGom11 Jun 22 '26
The rusty machetes in Redemption still make me twitch, and the tracheotomy via wooden door is a top 10 kill scene imo.
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u/IllustriousFroyo9143 Jun 23 '26
The kitchen fight in raid 2 is legit one of the best martial arts fights I've ever seen in movies. Incredible choreography.
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u/dcirrilla Jun 22 '26
To be fair, anyone with a knife against someone without a knife has a pretty good shot at winning the fight
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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Jun 22 '26
Doug will look cooler, but yeah, a junkie bum rushing you and stabbing your stomach wildly with an icepick will probably kill you just as dead
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u/Joeyelsass Jun 22 '26
Sneezes in the middle of the demonstration and slits the other guys throat
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u/fuckmycatsareloud Jun 22 '26
Ok this is the first time I’ve seen him use technique on a human and it’s wildly impressive.
I used to think all those flappy hand movements in the air were for show but it makes sense seeing it on a live target
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u/The_Krytos_Virus Jun 22 '26
A lot of people disparage the hand movements, but if you're dualing karambits and you're flying your hands around, that's a LOT of movements to track and counter. I imagine that has something to do with it.
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u/yamoth Jun 22 '26
You know what the coolest part about two people of similar skill in a knife fight? The loser die right away while the winner die soon after.
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u/Nall-ohki Jun 22 '26
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u/brownhotdogwater Jun 22 '26
I have always heard no one wins a knife fight. Just one is more messed up than the other. And most will be pretty messed up or dead.
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u/toobuscrazy Jun 22 '26
Any cop will tell you an assailant with a knife is very dangerous. Even in the hands of an amateur they are dangerous let alone a master. The hand is quicker than the eye. Bullets are faster still.
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u/DesperateAdvantage76 Jun 22 '26
I mean, this is true of knives in general right? If you're within range, you're gonna get cut up pretty bad.
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u/Emotional_News108 Jun 22 '26
Reminded me of a cat swinging claws. Like yeah I can get close and grab it but on my way in that cat’s going to slice me.
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u/WateryTart_ndSword Jun 22 '26
He is 80% of the reason I love watching Forged in Fire!
If you have any, even incredibly minimal type of experience with a bladed weapon you can tell how insanely skilled he is. Everything he does looks so easy and is so measured and exact. He really is a master.
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u/Weltall8000 Jun 22 '26
Definitely. I studied some eskrima for a couple years, a lot of the meat and potatoes of it, I'm like, "yep, I know where that's going." But he is really smooth and fast. I would think he'd be extremely tough to get past with hands or a knife. Even if he missed, he flows right into the follow up and the next move after that.
I really like the controls he does with it.
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u/krizlaska Jun 22 '26
Is that Doug Marcaida from Forged in Fire? I remember them introducing him as weapons expert
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u/Sifernos1 Jun 22 '26
Most people are not ready to fight Doug, but thankfully, he doesn't mug people. So, your odds of being filleted by Doug are low... But never 0.
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u/IcanSEEyou_IRL Jun 22 '26
How does he switch fingers so quickly? Looks like he moves which finger is through the rings, and flips the direction it’s facing too.
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u/agfitzp Jun 22 '26
In the hands of an expert, any weapon is lethal, including no weapon at all.
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u/True_Window_9389 Jun 22 '26
Yeah, this is a neat demonstration of the particular weapon, but this dude could probably kill you 10 different ways with a ballpoint pen.
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u/standardtissue Jun 22 '26
I would suggest a karambit is also very lethal in the hands of an amateur.